jeezus (rant) November 22, 2010, 02:20:23 AM One of my co-workers has an Iroc Z Camaro. HAD the TPI 350, 5 speed, etc.He told me he had an issue with it, it wouldn't idle, or stay running without keeping it revved up over 1,000rpm or so.Said he pulled "all that fuel injection junk" off and stuck an aluminum intake and an edelbrock 4 barrel on there...Told him it's a lot easier to read a code than to guess and poke and prod and check timing, mess with the carb, and all that dinosaur shiznit. :hick:Anymore, when someone tells me that they don't know how to work on an efi engine, I just want to punch 'em in the dick. I'm sure this will get some debate, but I don't care. For a street car, daily driven in heat AND cold, for ease starting, and simple diagnostics, you can NOT beat efi. Ya can't. I'm tempted to ask him if he still has the tpi stuff....could put it on my blue chevy truck...has to be a little more peppy than the throttle body injection it has now lol. Quote Selected
jeezus (rant) Reply #1 – November 22, 2010, 02:49:52 AM My buddy is the same way. He thinks he sounds cool when he brags about carburation. Like... dude, how many times have I picked you up because your car wouldnt start. Its always flooded, and runs like lolBut my efi is for "pansies" Quote Selected
jeezus (rant) Reply #2 – November 22, 2010, 03:21:25 AM i'm a carb guy all the way.. why? because every car i was raised around had it.. do i understand fuel injection? for the most part.. but to say injection is easier to pinpoint a problem? no.. for me, i believe OEM injection has too many sensors and BS.. and in my case, i would rather change jets and timing than plug in a lap top and mess with parameters and all that garbage.. maybe it's just because i was raised around carbs or it's the fact that i hate wiring, sensors and computer tuning.. but as for starting issues, if you jet your carb right the first time, 1 simple pump of the pedal and the turn of a key, instant fire and running like it should.. people who know nothing about carbs should NOT even consider that route without doing their homework.. i can't tell you how many customers i've had come to me, thinking they knew this and that about carbs, yet their jetting is way off the boards and most of the time, the carb is entirely too bigwith all of that being said, the ONLY injection i will personally run on any of my personally owned vehicles with any amount of work done to them (other than stock), is - F.A.S.T., Holley Commander, etc.. the wiring is clean, simple and you can program it and your O2 sensors will take care of the rest, including when you lower/raise boost Quote Selected
jeezus (rant) Reply #3 – November 22, 2010, 07:00:27 AM I was looking around at some Fox Stangs a while back and I had a hard time finding one local that still had the fuel injection , I can't even begin to guess why on a daily driver you would want to go back to dinosaur technology . ( I bought my Bird instead ) I have no beef with a carb on a vintage muscle car or track car , but on a DD I don't get it Quote Selected
jeezus (rant) Reply #4 – November 22, 2010, 01:28:33 PM a carb is more bang for your buck if you know how to tune or have someone tune it.. look at the price of a victor intake for injection.. for that price, i can buy a new holley or edelbrock and a victor carb intake and still have money left over.. there will always be a battle between the 2, but i'll always be a carb guy.. the only injection you will ever see me install/keep on 1 of my personal cars is aftermarket, unless it's an SC Quote Selected
jeezus (rant) Reply #5 – November 22, 2010, 02:06:32 PM Quote from: turbo_88_XR7;342708a carb is more bang for your buck if you know how to tune or have someone tune it.. look at the price of a victor intake for injection.. for that price, i can buy a new holley or edelbrock and a victor carb intake and still have money left over.. there will always be a battle between the 2, but i'll always be a carb guy.. the only injection you will ever see me install/keep on 1 of my personal cars is aftermarket, unless it's an SC All well and good for a car that performance is the ultimate goal , but most daily drivers are just that... driven daily,,, and in my experience fuel injection, especially Ford injection has been dead nuts reliable. I can count on the fingers of one finger how many driveabilty issues I have had with fuel injected Fords. It all boils down to personal preference and I personally would never remove injection for a carburetor on my DD which will NEVER see a race track .This is not directed at you but I have found that most of the people who remove thier injection do so because they dont understand it or are afraid of it Now with all that being said my 67 that I sold earlier this year had a carb and it ran beautifully. Quote Selected
jeezus (rant) Reply #6 – November 22, 2010, 02:36:09 PM the problem with most people going from injection to carb is they usually don't fully understand either and a carb is just a cheap cop-out to get away from rough running issues due to bad sensors and whatnot.. sad thing is, they throw on a carb on and it doesn't run much better because some people think it's just drop on and goi run carbs on everything of mine (with the exception of my sonoma) because i can tune a carb once and run perfectly fine all year round.. some people think you need to pump a carb 2-3 times and close the choke to get the motor started, which is false, unless they have an exceptionally bad tune..but what i think it all really boils down to for most car guys is.. injection guys don't understand carbs and carb guys don't understand injection. i understand carbs completely (except my 770 holley, stupid piece of garbage) and i understand a great deal about injection.. all in all, it's cheaper to build a carb'd motor and that's how most people see it.. injection costs more, but is more reliable for 99% of the car world.. but for people like me, a carb is a simple, easy tune since it's all i was raised around with my dad having a nova, cutlass and 2 camaros.. i cheated with the capri though, wideband all the way :hick: Quote Selected
jeezus (rant) Reply #7 – November 22, 2010, 02:59:21 PM Quote from: turbo_88_XR7;342710 most people going from injection to carb don't fully understand a carb is just a cheap cop-out to get away from rough running issues due to bad sensors and whatnot.. :hick: Fixt, lulz Quote Selected
jeezus (rant) Reply #8 – November 22, 2010, 06:33:05 PM I just don't understand EFI engines. I'd rather work on a carb'ed motor :) Quote Selected
jeezus (rant) Reply #10 – November 22, 2010, 06:49:52 PM EFI all the way. I am an idiot and I half-ass understand an EFI engine enough to troubleshoot it and fix a problem. Not that hard. Quote Selected
jeezus (rant) Reply #11 – November 22, 2010, 07:08:52 PM Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;342712Fixt, lulz your editing of my post makes me feel like i'm reading ebonics.. lmao Quote Selected
jeezus (rant) Reply #12 – November 22, 2010, 11:01:52 PM I don't think I could ever do a carb. Here I can go from 3000ft above sea level to 10000ft within an hour. It also gets from -15 to well over 100 within a couple of months of each other. My biggest thing though, is mileage. You can get great mileage out of a carb, the same way you can with fuel injection, but I don't know enough about them to do so. Every carb I have had, was a single barrel that I though ran too rich. Quote Selected
jeezus (rant) Reply #13 – November 22, 2010, 11:07:37 PM yeah.. with your elevation changes, a carb isn't too good of an idea.. and single/2 barrels are usually tuned a little rich from the factory to cover all-season driving Quote Selected
jeezus (rant) Reply #14 – December 23, 2010, 05:21:05 AM yeah, and then theres ford factory, my '83 has a factory sealed 2 bbl, cant muck with the mixture screws AT ALL. bloody hell. :) Quote Selected
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