What if... Reply #30 – January 14, 2008, 07:19:47 PM We're engineers - we know what it takes to run alternate fuels - and it ain't black magic. Quote Selected
What if... Reply #31 – January 14, 2008, 10:32:45 PM Quote from: LittleAngel1198;197783It wasn't meant to be funny. There are serious things that can be done to help this country concerning fuel/ oil. Why is it so hard to believe that a car could run using water? Ever heard of steam engines??? (trains)You have to make the steam with fuel in a boiler. Efficiency of steam engines is worse than IC engines.The water engines I think you are referring to burn hydrogen. This theory sucks because it takes three times the energy to make the H2 than the H2 to would create in a spark ignited engine.Here's the real test of H2 cars. If it made sense the private industry would have already embraced and invested in it. Quote Selected
What if... Reply #32 – January 14, 2008, 10:36:23 PM Natural gas engines I think are the best bet. Even though the infrastructure isn't fully developed, the engines run well, have lower emissions. And you can buy a compressor and hook it into the NG supply at your house and fill up over night. Quote Selected
What if... Reply #33 – January 14, 2008, 10:59:27 PM Here's a quick google search to what my father was telling me about. I thought it was interesting. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18700750/ Quote Selected
What if... Reply #34 – January 15, 2008, 05:22:16 AM QuoteIt wasn't meant to be funny. There are serious things that can be done to help this country concerning fuel/ oil. Why is it so hard to believe that a car could run using water? Ever heard of steam engines??? (trains)Yes I have. Steam engine locomotives went the way of the dinosaur due to more powerful fossil fuel and electrical fuel variants.QuoteYou have to make the steam with fuel in a boiler. Efficiency of steam engines is worse than IC engines.Which is exactly why they were phased out by the auto industry. Quote Selected
What if... Reply #35 – January 15, 2008, 09:06:32 AM Quote from: CougarSE;196953E85 costs about 10c less a gallon here than regular fuel. It has its draw backs of course but it is becoming a good alternative. Problem is I don't think any puppiesanese manufactures offer a flex fuel vehicle and the government is afraid to make them.This means you are losing $0.20/gallon because Ethanol has 30% less energy than gasoline. I'd go for it if it was available here but with gasoline here at $3.29 average then I'd have to see E85 at $2.50 or so for it to make sense economically for a break even cost of fuel.Right now GM is the largest builder of flex fuel vehicles. Of course all I have are Fords. Quote Selected
What if... Reply #36 – January 15, 2008, 09:17:14 AM Quote from: HAVI;197857Here's a quick google search to what my father was telling me about. I thought it was interesting. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18700750/Add 350lbs to your car and that doesn't include the water you add to create the hydrogen. Then you have to get the tank pressure to 3000 psia to flow enough hydrogen vapor to run a vehicle. How do you do that? Add a compressor and separate tank?Then how often do you have to change your tank full of pellets? And with a tank full of pellets, there's no room for water, so how many miles would you get out of it?I respect him for trying but this sounds like he's trying to promote his program.Oh, BTW H2 injectors are about $50-60 a piece and get stuck closed after about 100 hours of operation. Quote Selected
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