Ok I had asked a question in another post about what could cause a problem with the engine in my car. Last night after about 3 hours of screwing around with the tired old V6 in the bird I finally had had enough. I snagged a ride back to my house and picked up the 302 parts I had accumulated for my swap. I didnt quite have everything such as the throttle cable bracket and my tranny kickdown bracket. So I get to do some fabricating 2 welders and a cutting torch at my disposal that shouldnt be a problem. Anyway last night the V6 started coming out. I got the radiator pulled and the wiring out as well as a few other small things here and there. Not bad considering it was a 3 hour trip to go get my parts. I got done about 230 in the morning.
I got up bright and early today. Thank god the V6 is out. It's the last time a V6 will ever be in my car. I got the K member and A arms from an 83 so I have the mustang style mounts now. Yay even better. The K is in the car now that was about a pain in the butt. Thank god for coil overs its going alot easier then the last K swap I did. The engine is almost ready to go in all that is left to do to it is bolt the tranny to it and put the mounts on it. I also have the new wiring harness ran half@ssed ("half@ssed") in the engine compartment. All in all I think its going pretty good. It looks pretty good so far as well too. At least I havent ran into to many problems yet and hope I dont. I'll update it tomorrow on the progress.
pics, pics, pics we need pics!!
yes indeed. pics.
I wont have any until I get it done but I will get some. I wasnt exactly planning on doing the swap yet and got inspired to after the trip here so I didnt bring the camera. Update on it though the 302 is sitting in the car now and it has 4 tires again.I also found out by mistake F150 motor mounts will not work in a car. they have the right angles needed to work but theres a few inches difference between the distance of the mount towers. Im gonna make some spacers to make it work though until I can afford to get some mounts for it no biggy just get to practice welding some yayyyyy.:welder: Another good thing is I found a dual exhaust that I may be able to make work for the mean time that rumbles all sweet and stuff with a 302 in front of it.
ok got the motor sat in and most of it wired still working on the spacers I seem to have guessed off just a little so my belt reaches a height of about an inch above where the hood would be. so Im a little off lol. got the tranny bolted back down. anyone know what the two big black round plugs with all the wires in them are for?theres one on each side at the front of the engine compartment. also I found a smaller round plug with two wires in it around the ignition coil who knows what this is? ac compressor perhaps? Also the birds getting a custom dual exhaust for the time being until I can get an H pipe and catback system for it. bad part is only thing we have is glass packs things going to sound like a truck when its done. its also only 2 inch pipe but considering theres 2 pipes that makes about 4 inches of flow diameter instead of the stock single 2 inch pipe. Its going on a mainly stock 302 so it shouldnt hurt it to bad performance wise. Its going through mustang shorty headers so it should sound descent when its done. bad part is we're going on day 4 and counting. If it takes over 7 I resign as a mechanic. :D
oh and 88turbo how far is arkansas city from junction city or salina?
Distance from Arkansas City to Junction City is 151 miles.
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Distance from Arkansas City to Salina is 144 miles.
speaking of this we need to work on getting a meet together here in Kansas somewhere, posibly Wichita so its a fair distance for everyone.
You're still waaay ahead of me... I took almost five months to do my 5.0 swap into the TC...
But then there was the matter of starting with two semi running parts cars('86 LSC & '87 Sport TBird), as well as a complete fuel system swap with new pump, a heater core, and engine rebuild along the way... Oh yea there was the small matter of installing the 5.0 engine harness(after converting it to mass air) and making wiring changes/connections from the battery all the way back to the inertia switch...
Mine took me 3 days of backbreaking work.
But i had all the right tools,a hoist and all the parts already out of my parts car.
Where the Hell you been dominator??? Long time no see...
I wasn't trying to break any records, there was a couple weeks vacation out of town in that five months as well. I would work on it if I was in the mood, a few hours some evenings and a Staurday here and there. No help(other than the engine rebuild) just floor jack and cherry picker for special tools...
Only goal was to finish before the drag strips closed for the season, missed it by a weekend. Was running, but only about half the exaust system was installed.
im getting ready to do the same thing, this time around isnt gonna be so traditional though. good luck on the swap.
I still cant figure out what those plugs go to. one is in the passenger side up by the mass air plug in the harness. the other one is located around the windsheild wiper motor both are black looking to me. the little round one is beside the coil wire plug as well as theres a single wire there which Im assuming goes on the coil? or is it a ground? the other plug is a big square green one beside the computer in the footwell. Anyone whos done this before please help me figure out what these got to. the big round ones have like two rows of connectors in them and id say theres probably 8 connectors in it. Also what all can I take out of the factory harness? do I still need the AC oil pressure harness? All the stuff coming out of the computer I pretty much figured out I dont need. but what all else can I remove safely to clean up the engine compartment a little? Thanks
88turbo Im actually about an hour north of salina from my house. Im at a friends house using his shop for the car. I live in the same town as cougrrr302 actually I live about 6 blocks from him lol. A meet in wichita would be cool if I get the bird back together before then. Im hoping in the next day or so it'll be done.
thats cool, I have a few things that I need to do before I would feel comfortable traveling with my bird. let me know when your ready and we can figure something out.
sounds good Im not sure how long its going to take to swap this all over so it may be awhile. especially if I dont get this wiring mess straightened out.
Lordy another one crawled out of the woodwork...
Scott you back home safe and sound????
Maybe he is... (http://"http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showpost.php?p=70510&postcount=9")
Yep,, im back and glad to face 2 foot tall grass to cut,,lol
ok got the tranny work done. dont ask it added a day onto the job but now I dont have to worry about what to do with the rod for the kickdown. the motor is still just sitting in there not bolted down yet. the exhaust is the first thing on the agenda tomorrow due to the noise it creates cutting to pipe. next thing after that is the mounts. Someone do me a favor and lay something straight across the fenders like a broom handle and tell me how much clearance you have between the handle and the top of the tensioner pulley please. Im way high on it but I dont want to drop it to low either and cause other problems. The only things left underneath to do is exhaust, shifting linkage, replace the tranny mount,tighten the kickdown cable bracket, and the motor mounts. after that the cars ready to go back on the ground for good. unless I have to realign the front end, readjust the coil overs, or find a leak. also on my coil overs, I raised them about 2 to 3 inches and the car sat a little bit lower then it did with the V6 in it. Im guessing a 302 has some hella weight difference. I did get it to a point where I can turn the motor using the key and hear it crank. it was kinda sweet sounding hearing it after all this work even though I havent actually fired it up yet.
sorry about all the spelling mistakes I been up all night lol
Hey guys and tc50,been away for the winter months as i was drivin the 91sc,held up very well for 500 bucks,hehe.
Pulled out the TC from winter storage last month and have been on the board here and there,seen this thread and figured i'd post.
Have been on all of the stang sites for the past few months acumulating parts for my vortech SQ-trim and the near 500hp i should have in the TC this year,woo-hoo(sorry can't contain myself).
Still trying to figure out after spending like 6000.00 on my eng project weather or not my fairly stock aod(pa valvebody and 2200 stall convertor)will even hold up after i drive it like i stole it.
O well guess i'll find out in the next month or so when i get it all together.
For now though,tc50 i remember you used to have your times posted in your sig,if i remember you where running pretty much what i've got for eng mods less the vortech,and a 90shot.
What were those 1/4 times again and do you know the full weight of your tc with you in it and a 1/4 tank of juice????
Curious is all,as i think with the 3900lbs my TC weighs and 500 crank hp,i sould be able to hit 12s if i ever get traction lmao!!
You using the std serpintine belt setup??? Generally with air, the compressor is the highest accessory point...
Welcome home... Gonna be around awhile??? Not going back to the sand pit I hope...
Best was 12.23@112... 90 shot... I had a 150shot on it for a little while. It was wild, the Nittos couldn't handle it... With traction it would have gone 11.75 for sure(maybe better). Fellow I got the Nitrous kit from went 11.64@114 in a 5.0 Sport Tbird with a similar setup to ours...
With me (200), working AC, dual power seats etc. and 3/4 tank of gas mine weighs in the 3775 range...
Yeah the standard one belt setup the motor actually had 2 of those on it when I got it. It looked like a V belt setup that used serpentines. Actually an update on this Im not sure its exactly where its supposed to be but I got the motor hooked down close enough to where its supposed to be that I think it should work.I got between a half to an inch of room between the top of the compressor and the bottom of the hood. I finally quite playing with it and kept at it until I got it bolted in. We also got all the accessories as well as the cooling system most of the way done. I hook up the electric fan and the cooling systems done.
The main things left are wiring, fuel lines, exhaust, and shifting linkage. After that its pretty much just fine tuning it to make it run right.
The two belt system is used on the full size cars... Compressor is on the passenger side and alt is driver side, just opposite of the Stangs, Birds, LSC... BTW they use a clockwise rotation water pump instead of the CCW like ours...
Yeah I figured as much on the pump. I already swapped the timing cover and pump, as well as the brackets to put everything on the right sides. I think the motor originally came out of an LTD or such, so that would explain it I think.
I'm also half a step closer to being done, I got the driver side of the exhaust fabbed up and installed, now I'm working on the passenger side, which should be done by morning at the latest, unless by some unfortunate event I run into another snag. I'm going back out in a little while, I'm going to finish the exhaust, and hook up the fuel lines. If it's not morning by the time I'm done, I'll probably start messing with the wiring and see what I can accomplish with it.
Fuel lines and exhaust is DONE. It's probably going to be one of the loudest tbirds around but it should be street legal barely and get the job done. Now I just got the shifting linkage a couple brackets and wiring and it'll be ready to try and fire it.
Well now that I know a meeting is being set up. You might give me a week or two. I gotta pull the Cougar out of the garage. I'm working 2 jobs, so definetly the heater core is being replaced and by someone else. Kind of a mistake to have my subs put in the Escape, takes away from money. Let me know whats up. Graham, your money is coming, im dumb *it*. Get that 5.0 in there. I got some tips for the 86, but she still isnt running, spark plugs arent in yet. I'm lazy.
well quit being lazy and get that done so you can come do mine while I watch it lol
ok update I took the wiring harness out. i started making a new one for it that fits the car instead of making the one work. Basically after I untangle the knot I ended up with for a wiring harness and get it put back in the car it SHOULD be ready to try and fire. After that brackets shifting linkage final adjustments installing my air cleaner and putting the hood back on is all thats left.
ok day 7 and it still aint running. It turns over but thats it. the wiring is a nightmare. when I finally get one part working another part quits. when I get that part working another part quits. when I get that working the part I fixed the first time quits. Its starting to get on my nerves many more days like this and Im gonna have a tbird roast or invite everyone out and charge 50 cents a whack with a sledge hammer.
ok half way through day 7. whats the best option for burial on a tbird?
There's always cremation....
Sorry you are having problems, but this is a classic case of how NOT to swap to a different engine size... IMHO the wiring issues should be addressed BEFORE the engine is actually in the car...
Yeah it would probably be easier to work with everything without everything in the car. To anyone on future swaps get a harness made for the car its a pain trying to make something else work that wasnt made for it. Im working on an idea right now that looks like it might work. Not sure yet though. I think it might be possible to mod a 3.8 harness to work I just have to add a bunch of stuff and swap some pins suprisingly enough most of the pins that are there are in the right spot most of the connectors are different and the injector connectors are way off but I THINK I
Yeah it would probably be easier to work with everything without everything in the car. To anyone on future swaps get a harness made for the car its a pain trying to make something else work that wasnt made for it. Im working on an idea right now that looks like it might work. Not sure yet though. I think it might be possible to mod a 3.8 harness to work I just have to add a bunch of stuff and swap some pins suprisingly enough most of the pins that are there are in the right spot most of the connectors are different and the injector connectors are way off but I THINK I can make it work I'll know by morning Im not stopping tonight until it fires or I kill it.
It's aliveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
So now that it is alive, still feel like a funeral in the future?!? lol
So you going to teach it "[COLOR="Red"]Putting on the ritz[/COLOR]" lol
Congrats on the change over though. Hope the rest is easy.
Dan
Well its not quite to putting on the Ritz state yet its still at faint heartbeat stage. it did start and run though until the shop filled with exhaust and I had to shut it off. Good thing though because after about 4 seconds we realized in our overnight wiring work we forgot to put water in the radiator. Just ran it long enough to hear it rumble, gotta love glass packs. :headbang: If all goes well I'll have pics in a couple days of my car with a V8 under the hood.
the 3.8 harness and computer is bank fire,,,,,,,,, including the 88 for those of you who only thought it was multiport sefi.
the 5.0 sefi fires each injector as needed. I hope you did not wire it up as bank fire.
yeah you have to add an injector feed for 6 more injectors on a V8 but it can be done its a PITA though. I dont recommend it withough knowing what youre doing.
And no I didnt wire it as a bank fire its wired exactly how an 88 SEFI is supposed to be wired. actually though the feeds for the injectors on the bank fire setup as injector 1 and 2 on the SEFI setup as well
That ain't possible on a 5.0 to '87-'88TC engine swap... Their wiring is TOTALLY different than anything out there, this was my reason to rewire it first before the engine install...
well there goes that idea. I did finally get to test drive the car tonight the trannys not shifting right when you let off or when it shifts up its shifting at to low of an rpm and causing it to jerk Im guessing my kickdown cable needs adjusted.
ok finally got a snap shot of it still got alot of straightening up to do on it though.
Looking good!! have you tried adjusting your TV cable? that should be where your shifting problem is.
actually I found I have a hole in my tranny case. Im thinking the problem may be that it isnt pressurising correctly. I rigged it long enough I can get back to my other one as soon as I get the gas to make it there
ouch..... what was wrong with the one that was in the can to begin with? could of swapped engines and left the tranny if it was ok.
it is the tranny that was in it Im not sure what the hell happened to it. its got a pin hole right above the shifter though. Did a little cleaning under the hood as well its to dark to get pics though mainly just hid wiring a little better hooked down the stuff that was loose scrubbed off some grease and took off some stickers from the V6
all this fun is what i have to look forward 2! im going with carberation,say bye bye to all those wires!
yeah the wires are one of my main hang ups on this thing Im still working bugs out of it almost a month later. But I vowed never to use a carb again. soooo bring on the wires