me and my dad were working on trying to get his 1986 capri RS 5.0 5 speed runing and we cant figure out whats wrong . it has spark. it turns over . but i cant hear the fuel pump kick on when he trys to crank it over . the car has sat for about 7 years and hasnt been started in about 3 . any help would be great . any other questions let me know .
thanks
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try starting fluid. That will tell you if its gas related. Change out the spark plugs, fuel filter as well. Let us know.
whats starting fluid ? like eather(sp?). plugs look good we pulled them . oh its a fuely car too
thanks
Z
A fuely car? what is that?
fuel injected...
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EFI.....If it aint been started in 3 years it probably has some gummed up areas. I'd start with a fuel filter change
Eather yes, it is starting fluid. As haystack said, shoot some in and see if it will fire.
Your fuel filter could be clogged, as pual said, or the pump may be shot. If there was any water in the tank in that time, it would have all settled to the bottom and rusted up the pump.
yeah but wouldnt the fuel pump still kick on ? my dad thinks its electrical . what should we be checking ?
thanks
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Look for the schrader valve (looks like a the thing that lets you put air in your tires) on the fuel rail, turn the key on and stick something in there and see if it sprayes fuel eveywhere. If it does, it's probably something else.
I dunno if this'll help, but the 86 Capri I had, had a problem where the fuel pump would just quit, and it wasn't the safety shutoff switch either. After being stranded a coupla times, and dragging it back home with the tractor, I finally found that the harness on top of the tank was dirty up inside the contact points...a good cleaning, and some electrical grease had it fixed...
But do like the others have said, and you may want to drop the tank, new fuel pump, and filter, and while you have the tank down, un-hook the fuel lines on the engine end, and take compressed air to blow them out, before you change the filter, and after you take the old filter off.
Good luck, not many 1986 Capris around anymore...btw, Mine was an ASC/McLaren :flip:
You might wanna run some fuel injector cleaner through it as well (or even have the injectors professionally cleaned). I don't know what it is that happens to gas after 7 years, but I do know it ain't gas anymore and will almost certainly plug those injectors solid...
BTW, anyone see the Capri in MM&FF magazine this month? They actually covered a non-Ford, non-Mustang! And to top it off, they have an '85.5 SVO project car now!
yeah dropin the tank is gunna be a pain in the arse job because we dont have a hoist (sp?) well we wont do anything till the weekend just because the old man works afternoons and he dont trust me with keys . somebody wouldnt happen to know where all the relays and everything electrical that has to do with the fuel pump / system are? i have a shop manual for it but it dosent have to much about the '86 fuel injected motor in it . just because it was the first year for the efi and last year for the capri .
NICE ..did you buy yours brand new ? and i bet its not as nice as mine:flip: only a bit of surface rust and its the orignal owner ...story time.... lol i was 10 weeks old and went over 260kph in it . we raced my uncle on his interceptor 500 his speedo said 260khp and we were pulling away . car was loaded with camping stuff my mom, dad and me (with a car seat that matched the interor)
this sounds good will try it . but we have to find out whats wrong before puting any kind of money into it. anyways here some pics (i hope)
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No, actually I bought it from my guitar playin' buddy, who got bored with it, after he had bought it from somebody who didn't come off the title, he decided he didn't want it, so he let me buy it...
Yeah, your Capri IS better than the ASC is/was, mine was beat to shiznit, cause the guy that had before my buddy got it outran the cops in it...
4 times, ripped off all the GFX stuff...
Only good thing about it was the T5, wish I'd kept it, but I got more than what I paid for it, in the stuff I got as a trade for it. I paid 700 bucks for it...no title, it wasn't doing me any good, and sooner or later I'd have gotten in serious trouble with it...all the cops knew it, guy I got it from took it to a car wash one sunday afternoon, nearly got arrested for it...
looks like the pics didnt work .... attempet # 2
under hood
wtf ... why cant i post pics ... it ....< kicks computer>
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http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=3105
thanks i read that before . it uploads the pics then just stops ,must be my dail up . i put them on a disk and will up load it at school when i get a chance.
Z
It could be all gummed up. Gas turns to varnish, and after 3 years you could have all kinds of sticky goop. Are you getting power to the pump?
The FP or EEC power relays could be sticking as well.
Gas is new as of a month or 2 ago . As for the pump geting power all I know is its not kicking on when the car is being started . Relays i was just talking to my dad and he asked one of the mustang guys where he works and they said one of the relays is under the drivers seat . Anyone know how many relays there are ?
Z
The gas in the tank may be new, but all the old gas in the lines, pump, filter, injectors is not.......
ah true enough .... i think as long as its nice or warm at least this weekend . we will be riping,tearing,testing,checking,swearing and spending money at NAPA . so if a relay is under the drivers seat dose that mean under the carpet usually ?
Z
No...it will be above the carpet. Brown is ECU Power and Green is FP
ahh .... i was going to go on saturday and start ripin the interior apart:dunce: good thing i asked .
Z
I wouldn't really worry about the old gas part. I bought a '70 Tbird that sat in a barn for 12 years with a full tank, started with some ether and ran like shiznit, but still ran enough to drain the tank eventually. Granted a carb and injectors are different, but fuel probably isn't a concern.
One more thing, if you find out you are getting power to the pump, but have no pressure in the line, the line inside the tank between the pump and sending unit is gone. I've had this happen two times.
first try the starting fluid. 8 fuel injectors will clog up alot faster then two or three carbjets. also alot more kinks in the gas lines.
I am just saying, if you arent sure if the fuel pump is kicking, use starting fluid. That will tell for sure it is a problem with the gas. It saves time and money.
i know the fuel pump isnt kicking on because i had my head right under the tank whem my dad went to fire it up . gotta check the relays and find out if the pump its self is bad
Z
I had to replace the tank and pump on my nephews '87 Stang that had set for 4-5 years. Pump(and tank) was ruined by the gunk, goop, and rust in the bottom of the tank. Got lucky and found a nice one for $25 at a swap meet...
pics ... uh no no
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help me please ... what can i do to make them smaller ... im at school right now so internet is pretty fast ....the pics are on a disk
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this car only had the front end repainted after an accedent(sp?)
drivers rear fender lip from the bottom (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j267/hundred_dollar_t-bird/Imag0010.jpg)
just in front of the drivers rear tire looking towars the front (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j267/hundred_dollar_t-bird/Imag0009.jpg)
front end (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j267/hundred_dollar_t-bird/Imag0006.jpg)
over all pic
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j267/hundred_dollar_t-bird/Imag0005.jpg)
interior
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j267/hundred_dollar_t-bird/Imag0003.jpg)
engine (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j267/hundred_dollar_t-bird/Imag0002.jpg)
sorry for the py photograph im a amature and the wait
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hey pics finally and they worked ...... could my problem be the roll over switch ?
Z
could be, info on that switch ison the coolcats.net site. Also, those seats looks just like the ones in my sisters tempo.
lol ... what year is that tempo ?
Z
1987, prolly diffrent, but it even has the same pinstripe red what ever that is called, and the same shade of grey, I assume at elast.
how much of a bump dose it take to flip that switch ?
Z
Park on a hill and slam the trunk. That's how it got me.
The inertia switch's mechanism is a small steel ball sitting in a funnel, held in place by a magnet underneath it. With a good enough thump, the ball breaks free of the magnetism, rolls up the side of the funnel, and hits the lever above it, which triggers the other bits that make up the "switch" part. Besides actual impacts, the magnet may get weaker over time, letting the ball break free with any little bump.
The easiest way to rule it out as the problem is to remove it from the circuit.... unplug it, and use a jumper wire in its place.
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(http://www3.telus.net/neat/pics1/inertiaswitch.gif)
Right on, the amimation is awsome:bowdown: so from what im hearing it could be one of the following problems: inertia switch, relays , wireing (somewhere) or at the top of the tank . the more i learn from you guys the more my dad thinks i know what im talking about ....everyone on this borad rules ... id give you all some free beer but most people dont live around me ( good canadian beer too:D)
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