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Title: So much work...and no progress...
Post by: Tbird232ci on March 24, 2006, 08:08:54 PM
So today, i got cracking on the 5.0

Got the cam set, new timing chain, finished the gasket surface prep, put the bolts on, torque them down, and just when i thought i was done, the LAST bolt stripped out the hole.

So now i have to figure out what i want to do, get another block and rotating assembly, or fin a way to fix this one.

I knew i should have waited to order a bunch of stuff untill tonight...rather than when i just got off of work
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on March 24, 2006, 09:17:02 PM
what hole stripped out? can you heli coil it?
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Post by: stuntmannick on March 24, 2006, 09:25:30 PM
What's cheaper/easier?
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Post by: 84t-bird on March 24, 2006, 09:33:16 PM
a heli coil is easy and strong. i would try that. and its only a like a buck for a box of coils and anyone doing that will probably already have a tap.
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Post by: tbirdscott on March 24, 2006, 09:53:04 PM
If its just a timing cover bolt definatally helicoil it, now if it was a head or main bearing bolt you should worry about finding a new block. although I have seen it done before:yuck:
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Post by: Ether947 on March 24, 2006, 10:48:50 PM
i feel your pain... i do stuff like that all the time.
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Post by: Nate on March 24, 2006, 11:45:31 PM
Quote from: tbirdscott
If its just a timing cover bolt definatally helicoil it, now if it was a head or main bearing bolt you should worry about finding a new block. although I have seen it done before:yuck:



exatly, i wouldnt go changing the block unless its the head bolts. expecialy sence i just got rid of my extra 302s i had laying around i would have given you for free lol.
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Post by: Demented2.3T on March 24, 2006, 11:47:01 PM
if it was one of the bolts that go through the timing cover to the block i feel your pain. on my stang i had the same problem last time i had the pump off. I ended up helicoiling it and it has held up to some 5000 launches and some extended 7000 rpm trots. just be careful and do it right. most helicoil kits come with the right tap so its hard to screw it up. its definently not worth another motor
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Post by: Bane on March 25, 2006, 12:38:31 AM
its a headbolt...I was over there earlier today when he was getting it ready to be assembled when it happened :( ...for a headbolt id get a new block I wouldnt trust a helicoil as strong as they can be...
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Post by: Tbird232ci on March 25, 2006, 01:18:02 AM
Yeah, it was a headbolt, bottom front corner.

I might end up seeing if i can grab an HO shortblock out of a lincoln at the junkyard, freshen it up and stuff it in there or something. I dont know yet.

I almost feel like giving up and taking a break for the time being.
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Post by: tbirdscott on March 25, 2006, 01:22:07 AM
That sucks.

I've seen a helicoil and threadlock hold in main studs before... dont recommend it though
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Post by: tbirdscott on March 25, 2006, 01:22:33 AM
double post
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Post by: Dare on March 25, 2006, 01:31:38 AM
How the hell do you strip a head bolt? 

That sucks dude,  wish I could help you out. 

If it was me,  I would take a Mig welder,  fill the hole with a weld.  Drill it out and tap it. I used this trick once while doing the head gaskets on a 91 3.8 Tbird.  It was at school and I did not know the owner,  So god only knows if it actualy worked.
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Post by: Tbird232ci on March 25, 2006, 01:44:35 AM
I went to torque it, and it just spun.

I might just try to find myself an explorer engine, stuff a trick flow cam, or even the gay ass alphabet cam, an aftermarket intake manifold, and all the other stuff i ordered, and it might work out well.
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Post by: Sick88Tbird on March 25, 2006, 02:11:19 AM
It's a sign from God to go to a 351W  :evilgrin:
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Post by: Tbird232ci on March 25, 2006, 09:31:30 AM
No 351 for me. Too much weight up in the front of the car. I actually enjoy turning, and i like to have some sort of a weight balance.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 25, 2006, 09:41:51 AM
What, you mean you actually like that 70/30 weight distribution? :p
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Post by: Tbird232ci on March 25, 2006, 10:32:57 AM
And with a 351, it would be 90/10, and id need some mega brakes.
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Post by: V8Demon on March 25, 2006, 04:48:25 PM
Quote
or even the gay ass alphabet cam


If you feel that way about them why would you throw one in?  I feel the same way about em.  I used a trick flow cam.  Check out that Crower 15511.  A lot of people swear by it.
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Post by: Tbird232ci on March 25, 2006, 04:53:09 PM
Quote from: Paul Flockhart
If you feel that way about them why would you throw one in?  I feel the same way about em.  I used a trick flow cam.  Check out that Crower 15511.  A lot of people swear by it.

You can find em cheap.

If i were looking for power, id have this 5.0 in the machine shop, balanced, blueprinted, some aluminum heads, a custom ground cam, and all that. I just want to get a 5.0 in the car, something better than a stock 5.0, and play around for a while untill i can afford more. Having a car that can barely move under its own power sucks bad.
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Post by: pro-five-oh on March 25, 2006, 06:33:40 PM
Sucks dude, better take a break.

The exploere cam more like the cam on 1993-1995 Cobras.  I'd just get the Lincoln motor, freshen it up, and be ready for a mild turbo in the future.  HO cams and turbos are such a nice combo...
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Post by: Tbird232ci on March 25, 2006, 07:39:31 PM
I have all the HO components as it is, so i could do any combo i want

the reason for the explorer engine, is that itll have the GT40P heads, and the HO short block. Ill be able to more cam selection, and have better flowing heads...and i can get them for the same price at the junkyard

So its like "do i want to sleep with this hot girl, or do i want to sleep with this hot girl who can hold a conversation, and will make me breakfast in the morning?"
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Post by: kyle2ooo on March 27, 2006, 02:17:34 AM
food is always good after sleep
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Post by: Haystack on March 27, 2006, 04:14:45 AM
can you just tap the hole one size bigger, same with the head? I dunno how well this would work, but just throwing it out there.
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Post by: Tbird232ci on March 27, 2006, 10:59:03 AM
If i do that, id have to drill out the head also.

Decided not to waste my time putting all that into an SO with SO pistons. All the time it would take to heli coil, clean, and hope none of the other threads pull out, i could just as easily get the explorer engine, have better heads, better pistons, and a better platform to build on.
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Post by: Bane on March 27, 2006, 12:05:23 PM
yes but will the explorer motors have the heads when you get to them... :D
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Post by: Tbird232ci on March 27, 2006, 12:55:36 PM
You couldnt get an intake manifold off, and you want to talk about pulling heads ;)
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Post by: Bane on March 28, 2006, 09:18:19 AM
not my fault the motor was all fubared in the engine bay. :mad:
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Post by: Drewstang on March 28, 2006, 05:26:21 PM
Find an Explorer long block and intake and be done for now. I'm rebuilding my 91 HO myself and I pray I don't strip anything like this. That sucks, but something better will be replacing it.
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Post by: joefriday on March 29, 2006, 01:52:27 AM
Sucks to hear Shawn. 

As a little bit of advise, I recommend the E7's over the P's for a mild 5.0 street engine.  I've used both, and the E7's have noticeably better low end grunt, plus you don't have to worry about special headers.  If you're putting in a larger cam though, then I guess the P's will be a good match.
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Post by: Tbird232ci on March 29, 2006, 10:44:57 AM
Actually, you dont need special headers, you just need to run 90* spark plug boots to clear the headers. I plan on running some cut-to-fits since im doing things quite a bit different than most.

Low end grunt is nice, but im more of a corner carver, to where you need power to get off the corners, but you still need top end power, when im through the turns, the rev's are usually pretty high, and thats where id like the power to be. Im hoping the P heads and trick flow cam are a good match.