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Title: Should i go for it
Post by: meateater540 on February 20, 2006, 09:55:33 PM
My friend has a early 90's mercury cougar that he wants to get rid of. It has tranny problems. The car itself was given to him by our highschool shop teacher, it was a shop car, but it wasn't abused badly (few dings and dents from grade nines).


I was just wondering if parts from mustangs and cougars are interchangeable. If so, cougar ftw.

Also, i could probably grab this thing for like 200 bucks, then get a tranny and possible engine for about 500, rebuild the engine, and have a kickass car going.

Heh, might as well introduce myself as well, im 17, live in southern ontairo, member of anti-rice.com and thats about it. (not spamming, but i have met other members on other forums before).

i was also thinking of swapping a 2.3L turbo into it, will it fit? is the cougar a fox body? if so, engine mounts in the same place as a stang?
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: Haystack on February 20, 2006, 10:03:38 PM
89 up are not fox bodies. Which engine is it? 3.8, 4.6 or 5.0? I dont see why a 2.3 turbo wouldnt fit, but a v-8 would prolly be better suited to the 3800lb kitty.
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: shame302 on February 20, 2006, 10:04:04 PM
a 5.0 will fit. im sure a 2.3T would as well with alot of work. i agree...the 5.0 would be the easiest choice, depending on the year of the car.
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: meateater540 on February 20, 2006, 10:17:29 PM
its a 3.8. What type of tranny is it, just incase i stick witht he 3.8?
heh, maybe ill be able to find a good price on an ls1.
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: shame302 on February 20, 2006, 10:23:39 PM
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ls1
the deals ore out there. doing a swap like that realy dedicates yourself to the car though. sounds like you are kind of up in the air with it. for 200 bucks, if it runs and can pass inspection and all it needs is a tranny its worth it.....
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: CougarCoupe88 on February 20, 2006, 11:23:32 PM
you have an AOD in the car any MUstang with a v8 from 86-93 will work any cougar/tbird with a 3.8/5.0 from 85? maybe 86-93 will also work for you. in 94 they whent to the modular 4.6l and the bolt patters are differnt. im not sure though if in the 90's if the cougars got the E version of the aod i know mustangs got the E in 94 with the body change. good luck  and make sure you get a aod with some kind of backing on it. to many of them are bad. i would shoot for a crown vick... oh yeah the vicks got them to. i have no idea what years. but chances are grand pa drove it
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: V8Demon on February 21, 2006, 12:50:46 AM
AOD-E was introduced in 1993.  I know the fox mustangs never saw the E and I don't think the Cougar or T-bird did until 94 when they went modular.
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: shame302 on February 21, 2006, 12:56:46 AM
+1..i think the 93 mark viii got it as well
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: Beau on February 21, 2006, 03:31:48 AM
Birds and Cougars didn't get the Mod motor till '96...
The '95 Thunderbird that I test drove for 3 days had a 5.0, and my friend had a '94 Cougar that he rebuilt the 5.0 in, and I think it was HO, to boot...
But don't take my word for it...:dunno:
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: cougarcragar on February 21, 2006, 08:00:45 AM
Quote from: FordTruckFreeek
Birds and Cougars didn't get the Mod motor till '96...


No.
'93 was the last year for the 5.0 in the Cougars/Thunderbirds.

If you're looking for a car to swap motors and have some fun with, you would be better suited with a Fox. The MN12s aren't exactly easy to work on.
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: shame302 on February 21, 2006, 09:01:07 AM
the earlier sohc 4.6 engines kind of blew goats as well....
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: meateater540 on February 21, 2006, 03:15:49 PM
im really just looking at this thing because of the availability, i figure if i can get ahold of it( he thinks he will get more then 200 in the paper) then pay like 200 for the tranny, i think the engine is still good, if not, i will swap a 5.0 into it. Gets about the same gas milage, right?
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: MeanMachine on February 21, 2006, 03:26:23 PM
Quote from: Paul Flockhart
AOD-E was introduced in 1993.  I know the fox mustangs never saw the E and I don't think the Cougar or T-bird did until 94 when they went modular.

its the 4r70w thats in the 94-97 tbird/cougars.. regular AODs in prior years
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: MeanMachine on February 21, 2006, 03:27:35 PM
Quote from: meateater540
im really just looking at this thing because of the availability, i figure if i can get ahold of it( he thinks he will get more then 200 in the paper) then pay like 200 for the tranny, i think the engine is still good, if not, i will swap a 5.0 into it. Gets about the same gas milage, right?

i would think you could find a 91-93 tbird/cougar for less than 1k with a 5.0....may have to be patient tho
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: stuntmannick on February 21, 2006, 03:38:39 PM
I wouldn't pay $200 for a early 90's 3.8 Cougar with a bad tranny, but that's probably just me.  If I was looking for a MN12, I'd find a SC or XR7 (supercharged 3.8).  Those look like fun.
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: cougarcragar on February 21, 2006, 03:53:49 PM
They are fun, but more costly and time-consuming to maintain.
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: MeanMachine on February 21, 2006, 04:20:07 PM
Quote from: stuntmannick
I wouldn't pay $200 for a early 90's 3.8 Cougar with a bad tranny, but that's probably just me.  If I was looking for a MN12, I'd find a SC or XR7 (supercharged 3.8).  Those look like fun.

they are fun....but get a 5speed....i regret not doing so
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: RTStabler51 on February 21, 2006, 04:42:19 PM
Quote from: Paul Flockhart
AOD-E was introduced in 1993.  I know the fox mustangs never saw the E and I don't think the Cougar or T-bird did until 94 when they went modular.
that's technically correct, however, since the SN-95 and New Edge are still Foxes one could argue the point.....IIRC the 94-95 got the AODE, not sure what's behind the modmotors.
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: V8Demon on February 21, 2006, 06:20:16 PM
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SN-95 and New Edge are still Foxes


You're correct.  Technically the SN-95 is still based on the Fox platform.  I'm unclear what car you refer to when you say new edge.  The 05+ Mustang chassis is designated the S-197 and is based upon the Lincoln LS.

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its the 4r70w thats in the 94-97 tbird/cougars.. regular AODs in prior years


Again.  Correct. 

Just out of curiosity, since the 4.6 has a different bolt pattern what would be involved in taking say a 94 T-bird with the 3.8 and putiing in a 4.6 as far as mating up the transmission?  Is a new bellhousing needed?  Or was the 3.8's bolt pattern changed?
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: MeanMachine on February 21, 2006, 06:34:29 PM
Quote from: Paul Flockhart
You're correct.  Technically the SN-95 is still based on the Fox platform.  I'm unclear what car you refer to when you say new edge.  The 05+ Mustang chassis is designated the S-197 and is based upon the Lincoln LS.



Again.  Correct. 

Just out of curiosity, since the 4.6 has a different bolt pattern what would be involved in taking say a 94 T-bird with the 3.8 and putiing in a 4.6 as far as mating up the transmission?  Is a new bellhousing needed?  Or was the 3.8's bolt pattern changed?

to be honest with you im not sure, thats a good question
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: 302Fairmont on February 21, 2006, 06:38:02 PM
Quote from: Paul Flockhart
say new edge. 


New Edge = The ugliest Mustangs, aka 99-04.
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: V8Demon on February 21, 2006, 07:22:48 PM
never heard em called that before....just thought they were later SN-95's
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: shame302 on February 21, 2006, 07:27:36 PM
the mags call them SN-95 (94 to 98) new edge (99-04) and then the SN197...id personally consider them all 94-04 SN95 because the chassis didnt realy change, just the body.
 
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New Edge = The ugliest Mustangs, aka 99-04.
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too each his own...i think they are the best looking. the 05-06 mustangs are gorgeous but the interior kills it for me...cant say it would stop me from owning one though.
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: V8Demon on February 21, 2006, 07:53:02 PM
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the 05-06 mustangs are gorgeous but the interior kills it for me...cant say it would stop me from owning one though


Actually the interior was the icing on the cake for me.  Not so much the finish, but the amount of room.  Every 79-04 I ever sat in I had to put the seat all the way back and still wanted to go another inch or so.  Not so with the new ones......
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: shame302 on February 21, 2006, 08:17:37 PM
they ARE comfortable...pretty erganomic as well. i just didnt care for the look...the benifets of the car outweigh the revolting interior... ;)
 
i feel right at home in a 99-04 stang though....they fit me like a glove. im 5'10" though...not the tallest guy out there...i honesly dont know why i dont own one yet.
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: CougarCoupe88 on February 22, 2006, 12:49:49 AM
bolt patterns are way off. and the bell housings are not removable. maybe some kind of adapter plate could be made. but would be ezier to find a 4.6 mort/tranny package and slide it in

and the sn95's are one of the sharpest looking stangs out on the road. other that the oldies and 05+ they just have the rite look. and have the goodies also. 5-speed your choice of motor 3.8/5.0/4.6 and the brakes
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: cougarcragar on February 22, 2006, 08:03:20 AM
I disagree with the SN95 Mustang.

You simply can't beat the looks of an '87 GT in its stock form.
Title: Should i go for it
Post by: CougarCoupe88 on February 22, 2006, 03:18:44 PM
well. the 87+GT's are a seet ride but the 93 cobra takes the cake for the body kit the Gt's got the look only in the front the rest is like they kinda gave up on the kit and doesnt look to good from behind. and also i should say that not only the sn95 are some of the best looking. but the 03-04 cobras are really the best looking modern sn95.