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Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: cougarcragar on January 24, 2006, 08:33:34 AM
Has anybody read about this?

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/toyota/index.php

I'm no NASCAR fan by any means, but I find it amusing that one of the new race cars has a rich heritage of fuel economy and FWD.
I do understand the fact that under the skin, it will be very similar to the other cars. I just think it's odd to see the word "Camry" on a NASCAR race car.
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: 302Fairmont on January 24, 2006, 08:39:31 AM
Just heard about it on the radio.  The callers are furious because "everybody knows the puppiesanese cant drive"
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: V8Demon on January 24, 2006, 09:06:08 AM
I knew they were gonna do the truck circuit but, I was not aware of a Camry or more than one going into the car circuit.  This should prove interesting.
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: shame302 on January 24, 2006, 09:10:59 AM
ug...god help us if they start winning titles all over :(
 
not that i care all that much, not much of a nascar fan...
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: Haystack on January 24, 2006, 09:14:06 AM
who cares? the cars dont even really resemble the cars that they really are. Most of them end up with the exact same engine as the next guy. Its more about the skill of the driver, not which grill with emblem the tack on there
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: Billyf17 on January 24, 2006, 10:06:49 AM
Just imagine, Hondas and Nissians are next. It about advertising. The popularity of Nascar with young people is growing faster than any sport. I'm a big fan but I'm losing interest as it is going to turn into an Automaker battle royal.
 
After each season the car commercials for the winning car will say "Buy *insert car*, it is race proven by winning the 20## Nascar NEXTEL Cup Championship." The sad part is, people listen to that . Oh yeah my Camry won the Nextel Cup last year....umm no it didn't. A RWD V8 shell did. :screwy:
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: jkirchman on January 24, 2006, 11:08:47 AM
Does anyone here know what NASCAR stands for? (or at least USED to stand for?)

It means National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing.  Now that used to be true.  An actual requirement was that you had to be able to buy the same car at the dealership that you saw out on the track come race day.  (ie. Dodge Charger Daytona)

Not so today.  Now the thing is so regulated to keep anyone from having a mechanical advantage over anyone else.  That takes all of the fun out of it, IMO.
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: MexCougar on January 24, 2006, 11:36:59 AM
Nascar races, like F-1 Races, boring as hell....
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: Ether947 on January 24, 2006, 11:50:35 AM
2/3rds of the Nascar models have FWD counterparts.  2/3rds are 4-door Sedans.  All are moving billboards and practically indistinguishable while in motion. I agree with Haystack, who cares if you throw one more into the mix. It's sad, seems like people will never get over the Import vs. Domestic issue.

Nascar is not entertaining to me... the only time it perked my interest is with that Driver X show. =/
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: nirvanagod on January 24, 2006, 12:09:20 PM
I thought NASCAR stood for, Non Athletic Sport Created Around Rednecks???
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: cougarcragar on January 24, 2006, 12:18:05 PM
Well... this thread took a turn for the worse.
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: Funky Cricket on January 24, 2006, 01:12:10 PM
hell at least they let F-1 build the fastest f'ing cars they can. just means money wins, but hell nascar is nothing but a cage and shell with the same engines.
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Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: stuntmannick on January 24, 2006, 02:23:48 PM
What nascar needs is a whole lot less rules, even saftey ones.  Then I'd watch it.
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: 5.0willgo on January 24, 2006, 04:00:45 PM
Now I feel like the cat entering the bulldog pit. I am a Nascar fan.

Obviously racing has changed drastically over the years. I'll be the first to tell you that watching it on tv is flat out boring but so is just about every other sport. I really enjoy going to a track and watching a race as there is nothing else like it. Between the noise and all the people around you the environment is intense and electrifying. There is so much going on that tv misses its incredible. The crashes are spectacular and tv does them no justice.

I really don't care that all the cars look alike. Nascar struck an interest in me since I can remember and it has always stuck. I was so in to it that I met nearly every driver that raced in the early/mid 90's. I was interested in baseball for a short time too but I found most players ignorant where as the Nascar drivers were always welcoming.

Now back on the subject at hand. Toyota is in and I think that's pretty cool. Nothing wrong with it in my book especially since a manufacturer's plate means nothing to me.
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Post by: 88FoxBird on January 24, 2006, 06:02:27 PM
I too am a NASCAR fan. I kinda saw this happening back when Toyota joined the truck series.
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Post by: merccougar50 on January 24, 2006, 06:07:57 PM
The thought of A NASCAR camry absolutly disgusts me.  I cannot believe that they would let a puppiesenese car into NASCAR. :mad:

 I'm still a pretty big fan and I can understand how others are turned away by the lack of "stock" cars racing, but puppiesenese cars in a uniquly american sport is a sin.  This includes the craftsman truck series vehicals too.
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: 88FoxBird on January 24, 2006, 06:21:38 PM
Yeah it bugs the hell outta me too but what can ya do. NASCAR is becoming a more and more commercialised(sp?) sport and they seem to be doing whatever they can to make more money. Its still a fun sport go and see tho.
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: Nate on January 24, 2006, 06:37:08 PM
next year they will have a nascar festiva lol...
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Post by: Red_LX on January 24, 2006, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: merccougar50
The thought of A NASCAR camry absolutly disgusts me.  I cannot believe that they would let a puppiesenese car into NASCAR. :mad:

 I'm still a pretty big fan and I can understand how others are turned away by the lack of "stock" cars racing, but puppiesenese cars in a uniquly american sport is a sin.  This includes the craftsman truck series vehicals too.



Hey, American cars are taking over drifting now, and that's a puppiesanese "sport" (not that I give two shiznits about drifting).

I predict Toyota is gonna go into this and buy up a few big name drivers so they can win some races. I have to wonder, though...is Toyota gonna design a OHV V8 from scratch to use for nascar?
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: 302Fairmont on January 24, 2006, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: merccougar50
The thought of A NASCAR camry absolutly disgusts me.  I cannot believe that they would let a puppiesenese car into NASCAR. :mad:

 


Its not like its going to have a DOHC V6 under the hood - it'll be like every other car out there.  F**k it, stick a Yugo plate, a Ghia badge, or paint HEMI CUDA across the side of it - they're all the same. 

I was wondering when the NASCAR fans where going to speak up.  I can't hardly stand watching any kind of sport, TV or in real life.  But I've been to Talladega once, and it was incredible.  Just dicking around in parking lot was fun, let alone getting watch the rednecks... be rednecks. 

I'm not a fan, and don't really get it - but before you bash it, it's worth experienceing at least once in real life.
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: merccougar50 on January 24, 2006, 08:22:39 PM
I just re-read my previous response and wanted to point out I have nothing against Toyota.  They make very high quality vehicals many of which are built in the USA by american workers.  Just somehow the thought of foriegn cars in Nextel Cup, Bush, or Craftsman Truck seems to really bother me.  I'll get over it, I'm still a fan.
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: Tbird232ci on January 24, 2006, 11:25:01 PM
I love racing, just not oval racing. Shame NASCAR is 95% oval racing.

I dont understand why everyone is so upset over a foreign car in NASCAR, to me it sounds like people not liking someone because of their race.

If a company can make a formitable car, and be able to build it to race, why shouldnt they be able to? Why is it only because the companies origin, you despise their presence in NASCAR? Next thing you know, when an asian guy races in NASCAR, people will start rioting.
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: shame302 on January 24, 2006, 11:50:08 PM
i just think it will be embarrasing if they jump right in and totally dominate...otherwise, i couldnt care less. im not a nascar fan either. i think its cool if people love it. face it nascar is huge. ive never been too one of their races, maybe i will someday. it may be fun then but man, its boring as hell. its like watching a golf game. great sport, fun too play. but man is it boring too watch.
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: 5.0willgo on January 24, 2006, 11:51:48 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci
Next thing you know, when an asian guy races in NASCAR, people will start rioting.

Has already happend. In 2002, a puppiesanese driver ran in some cup races here in the states. I was at Dover that year and saw him. When he came by on his parade lap, he got the biggest cheers out of all the drivers.

If anyone is upset about Toyota, don't forget the special NASCAR races ran in puppiesan. I think they only did it for 3 years and a select few drivers ran in NASCAR spec cars against some of puppiesans finest racers in equal cars. It was quite interesting to watch.
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: Red_LX on January 25, 2006, 12:21:29 AM
Here's something funny...

I really don't like nascar all that much, I don't follow it and I NEVER watch it on TV. Yet, there is radio station I get here (Eagle 107.5 out of wheeling) that broadcasts the nascar races on sunday, and if I'm driving around or working in the garage, I usually will tune into the race and listen to it. :dunno:
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: kyle2ooo on January 25, 2006, 01:33:41 AM
i can dig it i loves dem fast cars going in circles unless my boy tony drives for toyota then im out
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: EricCoolCats on January 25, 2006, 09:11:58 AM
From the Car Connection today (http://www.thecarconnection.com/Auto_News/Daily_Edition/Daily_Edition_Jan_25_2006.S173.A9928.html):

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NASCAR Sets "Car of Tomorrow" Launch for 2007

While the news that Toyota will be joining NASCAR's Nextel Cup and Busch series in 2007 got the majority of ink on Monday's first day of the annual NASCAR Media Tour in Charlotte, another announcement was made that will have a much larger impact on the sport.

For five years, NASCAR has been working on the development of a new specification of chassis that it calls the "Car of Tomorrow." NASCAR announced on Monday that the CoT will be phased into competition over a three-year period starting in 2007, and the new car will obsolete the millions of dollars' worth of rolling stock that currently occupy racing team garages. It is, simply, the biggest change in NASCAR's hardware in 40 years, since the move from unibody stock cars to tube-frame chassis.

Without overwhelming you with a plethora of details, suffice it to say that the CoT is bigger, boxier and safer. The driver will sit three inches further back and four inches further toward the center of the car, reducing the possibility of injury from side impacts. The car is four inches wider and two inches taller than the current car, and more "crushability" is built into the sides of the car, offering further protection.

The car is designed to be less aerodynamic than the current model, with a more-upright windshield that increases drag and a larger and boxier front bumper that catches rather than deflects air.

NASCAR says that, after the initial expense of building new cars, teams will save money in the long run because the CoT is designed to be flexible in its application on the different types of tracks. Currently the top teams require about 17 different cars to run a season, with unique chassis for superspeedways, intermediate, short, and road-course tracks, and further specialization in some cases for particular tracks (i.e., a "Bristol" car, a "Darlington" car). With the CoT, NASCAR says that a team can downsize its inventory to about ten cars per year. The CoT is designed to have very adjustable aerodynamics with a rear wing and bolt-on/-off front splitters and the frame rail locations are exactly specified, which will allow a single car to be used at a variety of tracks by adjusting the wing and splitters.

Another benefit of the CoT, according to NASCAR, will be closer competition. Current-day cars suffer from "aero push" on the longer ovals due to their slick aerodynamics, making passing difficult. The CoT is designed to minimize "aero push," and will hopefully bring back the door-to-door racing and slingshot passing maneuver that were so popular in the 1970s.

The plan is for the CoT to be required in 16 events during 2007, at Bristol, Phoenix, Martinsville, Richmond, Dover, New Hampshire, Darlington, the fall race at Talladega (the last restrictor-plate race of the season) and road-course races at Infineon Raceway and Watkins Glen. In 2008 26 events will be added, including both races at Daytona, California, Pocono, Michigan, the spring event at Talladega and Indianapolis. Teams will run the entire 2009 schedule with the CoT, adding both events at Atlanta, Lowe's Motor Speedway and Texas, plus events at Chicagoland, Kansas, Las Vegas, and Homestead. The three-year rollout is designed to somewhat minimize the financial impact to the teams by allowing them to "use up" their existing chassis.

If you follow the sport at all, you know that NASCAR machinery has moved closer and closer to a "spec" car over recent years and that they have almost nothing in common with their street-car counterparts other than headlight and taillight decals and grille treatment. All NASCAR cars have carburetors and rear-wheel drive while their street-car counterparts are fuel-injected with front-wheel drive, and all NASCAR cars resemble two-door coupes, while the Ford Fusion and Dodge Charger are available only as four-door sedans. The switch to the CoT will do nothing to change this, and the manufacturers will have to be content with the same small amount of branding identification, or perhaps a little less, as they have today for their estimated $75-million annual contribution to the sport. Whether that is enough to keep their interest (and funding) remains to be seen.

The bottom line is that it will probably make little difference to the millions of fans who pack the grandstands and tune in on television. Oh sure, there will be grumbling from the old-timers and "purists," just as there always has been when changes have been introduced, and the teams will no doubt be unhappy with garages full of obsolete cars and having to build all-new rolling stock, but if in fact the cars are safer, racing is closer and long-term expense is less, this will all be just another milestone in the history of the sport. -John F. Gardner

If there was ever any doubt that the France family is hell-bent for absolute control of the sport, this should erase it. The official homogenization/neutering of NASCAR has begun.
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Post by: shame302 on January 25, 2006, 09:16:28 AM
Wow.....:disappoin
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Post by: V8Demon on January 25, 2006, 09:17:23 AM
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If there was ever any doubt that the France family is hell-bent for absolute control of the sport, this should erase it. The official homogenization/neutering of NASCAR has begun.


I watch on occasion and there was NO DOUBT in my mind before......And the neutering has been in process for a while now I think.
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Post by: EricCoolCats on January 25, 2006, 09:57:04 AM
Well, back on track here...the Toyota/NASCAR thing is a little strange, but given Toyota's relentless drive to be ubiquitous, it's hardly surprising. It will probably be another success story for them, as it seems to happen with most everything they touch. As my dad says, they can fall in shiznit and come out smelling like roses. I honestly believe that Toyota wants to be the Micro$oft of the car world: everywhere, universal, the "norm". Except you'd be a lot safer when a Toyota crashes. ;) I guess if Americans keep buying Toyotas like they are now, their wish will come true. I'm starting to see a lot more cotton heads driving Toyotas now...when dammit all to hell, they should be annoying me in a Buick instead. How I long for the good old days when you could absolutely depend on the crusties buying an Olds or Buick or Town Car to clog up the highways...*sigh*
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Post by: Funky Cricket on January 25, 2006, 10:17:43 AM
ugh.

one: toyota is more american than most of the big three anymore and most of the profits stay right here in the good ol' usa.

two: I was a huge nascar fan in the 80's. lived in brooklyn Michigan (MIS) and was actually friends for a short period with Bill Elliots daughter Star and rode in the record setting T-bird from '84 around a couple blocks in Brooklyn. The sport has changed, and not necessarily for the better. They should just call it "Company sposored IROC". they have to be safe, but there should be some differences in the cars, I rather just watch scca racing any more than nascar.

3: as long as they are making money though, and the races (even if IROC like) are still an absolute BLAST to go to live, the power and speed of those cars is amazing.

4: of course american cars are in puppiesanese "drifting" (or what I like to call, rally driving on nothing but tarmack with no times and overly exagerated corners), they are the only high HP real wheel drive cars left.
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: 302Fairmont on January 25, 2006, 10:44:49 AM
Quote from: EricCoolCats
but given Toyota's relentless drive to be ubiquitous, it's hardly surprising.


and with that, an overpowering blandness that infects every one of their cars. 

I don't deny that they're great cars, but I can't comprehend who is buying all of them.  Projected to sell more cars than GM?  Where are they all going?
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: Red_LX on January 25, 2006, 12:53:00 PM
So the new car will be LESS aerodynamic?

Hell, if they're so worried about aerodynamics, why not just bring back the late 70's Thunderbird and Monte Carlo body style :giggle:
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: 5.0willgo on January 25, 2006, 03:02:48 PM
Quote from: Red_LX
So the new car will be LESS aerodynamic?

Hell, if they're so worried about aerodynamics, why not just bring back the late 70's Thunderbird and Monte Carlo body style :giggle:

Yep, here are some pics of the proposed car from Jayski.com
http://www.jayski.com/teams/car-future.htm (http://"http://www.jayski.com/teams/car-future.htm")
(http://www.jayski.com/schemes/misc/COTdaytona2006.jpg)
^that wing is something they are experimenting with.:yuck:
(http://www.jayski.com/schemes/misc/cot-chevy-atlanta.jpg)
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: 86Tbuzzard on January 25, 2006, 07:59:20 PM
think toyota is bad? NASCAR big wigs want to make all the cars have the same body, chassis ect, save for the engine, nose piece, and decals...IT SUCKS...when I think nascar I see Bill Elliott and a '86, '87 T-bird burning up the track, or Petty in his Super Bee.

This year I guess is supposed to be the last year before the change...I can't wait to see how the fusion package does...I'm still an Elliott fan, but hoping for Martin to win the title
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: 86Tbuzzard on January 25, 2006, 08:06:16 PM
Quote from: Funky Cricket
ugh.

one: toyota is more american than most of the big three anymore and most of the profits stay right here in the good ol' usa.

two: I was a huge nascar fan in the 80's. lived in brooklyn Michigan (MIS) and was actually friends for a short period with Bill Elliots daughter Star and rode in the record setting T-bird from '84 around a couple blocks in Brooklyn. The sport has changed, and not necessarily for the better. They should just call it "Company sposored IROC". they have to be safe, but there should be some differences in the cars, I rather just watch scca racing any more than nascar.

3: as long as they are making money though, and the races (even if IROC like) are still an absolute BLAST to go to live, the power and speed of those cars is amazing.

4: of course american cars are in puppiesanese "drifting" (or what I like to call, rally driving on nothing but tarmack with no times and overly exagerated corners), they are the only high HP real wheel drive cars left.



yeah most GM,Toyota,Saab,Subaru,Hyundia, and think maybe honda use the same platform...it's wierd...Saab with camry body *the new 9-5* you look @ the rear doors, upper C pillers, and you can tell...

yeah toyota is american for the most part now...all the offices are here ect...using GM parts...
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: jasontbird on January 25, 2006, 11:52:06 PM
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I don't deny that they're great cars, but I can't comprehend who is buying all of them. Projected to sell more cars than GM? Where are they all going?


Well if you consider that I pass about 15 houses as I pull into my neighborhood leading to my house and I pass 3 2004 toyota camry's the exact same model and color as the 2004 camry I bought for my wife that sits in my driveway, and among those 15 driveways sits no less than 6 older camry models and only one house has two camrys.  So thats 9 out of 15 houses right there if you count mine for a single automaker.  I don't have a problem buying a new toyota because my neighbor (one of the camry owners) works at our local plant along with 2 of my relatives and 3 other friends of mine. 

As far as toyota getting into nascar as stated previously it is no more than marketing for them.  I think Jim is right on this though.  It should be "stock" cars.  I guess that wouldn't be as fun, i don't know, but they could stick each automakers best full production sports car out there and let er eat. 

Oh yeah, that tv you watch NASCAR on is made in China as well as the the computer you use.  lol
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Post by: Red_LX on January 26, 2006, 12:48:15 AM
Quote from: 86Tbuzzard
NASCAR big wigs want to make all the cars have the same body, chassis ect, save for the engine, nose piece, and decals


They've been talkin about that for YEARS now...in fact people in this thread are talking about that. :screwy:
Title: New to the NASCAR Track - Camry???
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 26, 2006, 04:18:36 PM
Hmm stock car racing. Why can't they go back to racing STOCK CARS!? If that was the case the Charger would be kicking everyones ass because it's the only V8 rwd car that's "racing" in NASCAR right now.