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Technical => Engine Tech => Topic started by: 5.0willgo on January 03, 2006, 04:18:09 PM

Title: Starting Woes
Post by: 5.0willgo on January 03, 2006, 04:18:09 PM
I can't get the car to start. It's getting fuel fine. I turn the key and it cranks but it's not getting enough spark to fire up.
It will crank and give one puff like it quasi started and die or it will crank and then stop cranking on its own.
The usual, coil, plugs, wires, cap and rotor are all good.
Ignition switch? TFI?

I'll do a KOEO test to see if I get anything in codes.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

5.0HO, MAF
Title: Starting Woes
Post by: Haystack on January 03, 2006, 04:39:52 PM
I would pull codes first, but i would be willing to bet TFI
Title: Starting Woes
Post by: 5.0willgo on January 03, 2006, 04:52:06 PM
Okay, pulled codes. I could only do KOEO since the car won't start.

The only code I got was 32-EVP circuit failure

Could that be whats keeping my car from starting?

Lately the car has been hesitating a bit especially going up hills. I've heard this could have something to do with the EGR/EVP. Is this correct?
Title: Starting Woes
Post by: Haystack on January 03, 2006, 05:04:48 PM
your car will still run without it functioning. So I doubt it. it would cause some sputtering and a slight miss though.
Title: Starting Woes
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on January 03, 2006, 11:03:55 PM
sounds like a bad tfi or pickup.
Title: Starting Woes
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 04, 2006, 12:58:41 AM
Yeah I'de say bad TFI. Batery charged good? When was the last time you started it? Are you sure that it didn't jump a tooth on the timing chain? That would suck.
Title: Starting Woes
Post by: 5.0willgo on January 04, 2006, 10:26:36 AM
It hasn't been started in over a week but that shouldn't have hurt it any. I managed to get it started after sitting two weeks before without much trouble.
Battery is good. Timing chain, God I hope not.

I'll get a new tfi for it and see what happens. I've been thinking about replacing it for the past few months because I was getting suspicious of it with the way the car was acting. (It would die after running a minute and I had a difficult time getting it started again.)
Thanks for the help guys.
Title: Starting Woes
Post by: blu84302 on January 07, 2006, 05:31:05 AM
Any luck?  I can't get mine to start, it's got fuel and spark, but i believe it's jumped a tooth.  I put it to TDC and the set the distributor.  When i try to start it, fuel shoots back up the Throttle body and it don't start.  So i'm thinkin it's timing.  I'm going to change the pickup anyway cause i got one laying around.  Other than that i'm curious to know how you are doing?
Title: Starting Woes
Post by: Tbird232ci on January 07, 2006, 11:23:31 AM
use nothing other than a MOTORCRAFT tfi, i know theyre expensive, but youre not going to find a quality aftermaket piece
Title: Starting Woes
Post by: cougarman on January 07, 2006, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: blu84302
Any luck?  I can't get mine to start, it's got fuel and spark, but i believe it's jumped a tooth.  I put it to TDC and the set the distributor.  When i try to start it, fuel shoots back up the Throttle body and it don't start.  So i'm thinkin it's timing.  I'm going to change the pickup anyway cause i got one laying around.  Other than that i'm curious to know how you are doing?

make sure you have #1 on tdc on the "compression" stroke, it comes to tdc 4 times.:D
Title: Starting Woes
Post by: blu84302 on January 07, 2006, 08:49:49 PM
I cranked it around like 5 times to get it to TDC.  Anyway, took the cap off the distributer and passenger side valve cover, and cranked it and the rotor button didn't move.  Took out the distributor and the gear wasn't broke, so i just got finished removing the front of the motor.  Going to THE ZONE tomorrow and borrowing a harmonic balancer puller and getting a new timing chain and gears.  If i can find my digi i'll take a pic.
Title: Starting Woes
Post by: CougarSE on January 07, 2006, 09:32:06 PM
John wouldn't use a timing light to save his life Herb!

Fred You will never win will you!? have the TFI tested at the Ghetto Zone, if you say you have weak spark maybe your coil is going out. Just can't output like it should... Just a thought
Title: Starting Woes
Post by: 5.0willgo on January 08, 2006, 09:39:03 AM
Quote from: CougarSE
Fred You will never win will you!? have the TFI tested at the Ghetto Zone, if you say you have weak spark maybe your coil is going out. Just can't output like it should... Just a thought


Seems that way doesn't it?

I haven't bought a new tfi yet but I went outside a couple days ago and the car fired up without much difficulty. I don't know if it was too cold when I tried the first time or what. It was a warmer day when I managed to get it started.

I just don't get it. Some days it starts with no problems at all and others it simply won't start. It doesn't follow any specific patterns but seems to only start when it wants to. Or when I get going, it will run beautifully one day and the next day it acts up and runs horribly.

I'd hope the coil isn't going out. I have a fairly new Ford Racing High Energy coil.

I'll pull the tfi and have it tested before I get a new one. Just haven't had the time to do it.
Title: Starting Woes
Post by: cougarman on January 08, 2006, 09:58:55 AM
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John wouldn't use a timing light to save his life Herb!

:laughing: :laughing:
Title: Starting Woes
Post by: CougarSE on January 08, 2006, 12:25:08 PM
Hmm  Fred I'm wondering about those Ten pins?  Maybe they are the source of your problem!?