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Title: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: rob302 on November 25, 2004, 07:16:39 PM
i went 12.77 @ 109.70 is my best the season and this was back in spetember, this was still with the e cam and explorer intake with the lower ported my next mod this winter will be and fti cam and ported perfomer intake from ed curtis so hopefully i can get low 12s i guess we will see oh and my 60ft was and 1.81
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on November 25, 2004, 07:31:58 PM
Bitchin'..... :ies:  :ies:  :ies:
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: Masejoer on November 25, 2004, 09:13:45 PM
wanna trade?  :grinno:
Title: Damm
Post by: Mercoug302 on November 25, 2004, 09:40:32 PM
Holy  . . . that's faster than some of the blower guys here, and and .5 seconds and 2 mph faster than my 351. Good show.
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: Nate on November 25, 2004, 09:48:22 PM
1.81 60' (holy )? what kinda rubber u got? sounds like somebody has a 4link and slicks.
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: Mercoug302 on November 25, 2004, 09:55:52 PM
I think he has a 3K converter. That'll do alot of it right there.
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: Nate on November 25, 2004, 09:59:23 PM
yeah, i was just so shocked sence we have sticks, at least my 60' it terrable, next season it should be up to par :)
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: chrome302jr on November 25, 2004, 10:06:19 PM
Quote from: rob302
i went 12.77 @ 109.70 is my best the season and this was back in spetember, this was still with the e cam and explorer intake with the lower ported my next mod this winter will be and fti cam and ported perfomer intake from ed curtis so hopefully i can get low 12s i guess we will see oh and my 60ft was and 1.81


What is this in? AOD trans? Suspension? Nice times, very impressive.
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: rob302 on November 26, 2004, 05:58:52 PM
well on the tc u are tight 3000-3200 soon to be stalled some more with and aod with the wide ratio kit and the rear is stock turbocoupe rearend and control arms, and yes im running et slicks, hoosier quicktime pro i actually have pulled 1.75 60ft with my old gt40p heads but that also was in better weather also, so hopefully the times will fall some more, and for u guys who are interested in the dyno numbers at the wheels it made 296.84 rwhp and 326 rwtq, i still gotta crack the 300 mark lol
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on November 26, 2004, 07:03:49 PM
That's just plain awesome....

Would you mind posting you complete setup??? Tbody, inj, rockers etc.... Also could you post the, 330, and 1/8 mi times with mph. I want to see how a freinds 5.0 compairs to yours.
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: rob302 on November 26, 2004, 08:11:46 PM
ok here ill start with my mods ive listed them before on the old website but not in awhile

explorer intake lower ported by tmoss on the corral afr
afr 165 emission legal head with pedestal mount 1.6 ford racing rollar rockers
70mm throttle body
75mm pro flow maf switching to and 02 model gt my air fuel is very srewy, im running and sct chip not a tune by any means defiently needs one
underdrive pullys
gt40p headers with bassnai offroad x pipe, flowmaster catback for gt
msd ignition
e303 cam
3.73 gears
3000-3200 pi converter lock up
wide ratio kit in trans
the motor is a standerd rebuild it was rebuilt stock its .30 over
there may be more mods but i cant think of off the top of my head

time slip
60ft    1.813
330ft  5.275
1/8    8.168
mph  84.68  best is 86.xx
1000ft  10.677
1/4    12.779
mph  109.20  best is 109.70
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: Mercoug302 on November 27, 2004, 01:29:52 AM
SCT chip . . .  :D  :D  :D

You're a very smart man. They dyno tuned my 351 to 311rwhp and 375tq. Since yours was more than likely mail order, you're probably still short a couple rwhp that you could've gotten out on a dyno. I would'nt lowball with an 02 GT maf though. If you're going to go with a factory ford unit, use the 2000 90MM L-MAF. Since you already have the chip, the L-MAF will accept any injector size up to 42lbs/hr as long as you have a chip burned for it (I'm using 30's). You have an excellent drivetrain combo. I keep trying to tell fox guys that the wide ratio (4R70W) kit is the way to go for dropping your 1/4 times and you're not really even using a "big" camshaft either. It's like having the powerband of a 5 speed with the traction of an auto.
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: rob302 on November 27, 2004, 11:16:16 AM
well my air fuel is up znd down and goes lean at 5000 im not sure whats going on but the new hip is calibrated for 24 pounds and 30 pounds so we will see what happens
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 27, 2004, 11:31:06 AM
Quote from: rob302
i went 12.77 @ 109.70 is my best the season and this was back in spetember, this was still with the e cam and explorer intake with the lower ported my next mod this winter will be and fti cam and ported perfomer intake from ed curtis so hopefully i can get low 12s i guess we will see oh and my 60ft was and 1.81


How much does your car weigh? It would have to weigh only 3400 lb. or so to do that MPH with only 300 RWHP.
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: Mercoug302 on November 27, 2004, 11:51:23 AM
Not really, before I had my tune, I was pushing about 292 rwhp on a good day (when my f'in C&L meter would work properly). I ran a 13.47 @ 107.2 mph spinning all the way through 1st and second (I pulled a 2.6 60" time). This was on a very stiff suspension, non locking rear and street tires with 5 speed manual with stock shifter and 3.08 gears. So I definetly lost some time and MPH on that run. If I had optimal track conditions and equiptment to leave the line better, I am almost certain that I could've pulled a similar time/mph as rob302. My car is a 1988 XR7 with every option and a (at that time) 240lb driver.

There are also SC'd 4.6L MN-12 guys pushing about 310-320 rwhp and running high 12's @ 109ish mph, and their cars weigh just a hair under 4K with driver.
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: rob302 on November 27, 2004, 12:01:52 PM
it weighs around 3525-3550 depending on gas lol
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 27, 2004, 12:32:57 PM
Quote from: Mercoug302
Not really, before I had my tune, I was pushing about 292 rwhp on a good day (when my f'in C&L meter would work properly). I ran a 13.47 @ 107.2 mph spinning all the way through 1st and second (I pulled a 2.6 60" time). This was on a very stiff suspension, non locking rear and street tires with 5 speed manual with stock shifter and 3.08 gears. So I definetly lost some time and MPH on that run. If I had optimal track conditions and equiptment to leave the line better, I am almost certain that I could've pulled a similar time/mph as rob302. My car is a 1988 XR7 with every option and a (at that time) 240lb driver.

There are also SC'd 4.6L MN-12 guys pushing about 310-320 rwhp and running high 12's @ 109ish mph, and their cars weigh just a hair under 4K with driver.


About 292 RWHP - is that a dyno number? My car ran slower as predicted by those in the know when I got better traction. It ran 108 with 2.0 60' and 107.2 with a 1.7x 60'. Some of the other things you mentioned may add MPH though. I think my car must run on like 7 cylinders of something! BTW a 20th Cougar (all options) weighs 3700 lb with 170lb me and 1/2 tank of gas.
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: Mercoug302 on November 27, 2004, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: Cougar5.0
About 292 RWHP - is that a dyno number? My car ran slower as predicted by those in the know when I got better traction. It ran 108 with 2.0 60' and 107.2 with a 1.7x 60'. Some of the other things you mentioned may add MPH though. I think my car must run on like 7 cylinders of something! BTW a 20th Cougar (all options) weighs 3700 lb with 170lb me and 1/2 tank of gas.


When I got the dyno tune, they did 2 pulls on my current configuration before they began tuning, it was 289 rwhp. I added 3 for 1/4 because my dyno session was indoors, in the summer, in hot-ass Atl Ga (it was a 62 degree day though, rain and very high humidity). I ran the 1/4 time in the fall where I live in NJ on a 56 degree night. It may have been more or less at the track because I came to find out from the J-man, that the stock sensor that was in my C&L intermittantly did not return voltage to the EEC! So there were some instances where I pretty much wasn't using a MAF meter at all. Just ask the Weasle, who was watching me lose my hair as I had to go over my wiring harness while the car was stitting on the dyno to make sure it really was the meter and not my wiring.  :brick:
Title: Re: my times with the afr 165 heads
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 27, 2004, 12:56:51 PM
Quote from: Mercoug302
When I got the dyno tune, they did 2 pulls on my current configuration before they began tuning, it was 289 rwhp. I added 3 for 1/4 because my dyno session was indoors, in the summer, in hot-ass Atl Ga. I ran the 1/4 time in the fall where I live in NJ on a 56 degree night. It may have been more or less at the track because I came to find out from the J-man, that the stock sensor that was in my C&L intermittantly did not return voltage to the EEC! So there were some instances where I pretty much wasn't using a MAF meter at all.


I'll bet the difference between "indoors, in the summer, in hot-ass Atl Ga" and "56 degree night" is around 20 HP based on my experience. I saw a 2+ MPH improvement hot summer day VS cool fall evening.