Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: Tbird232ci on September 18, 2005, 11:44:42 PM
the styling sucks
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: Ifixyawata on September 19, 2005, 01:14:10 AM
It looks like a 300 with a Caddy front end. Posers.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: RDOG on September 19, 2005, 02:15:02 AM
Nothing looks as classy or as cool for the money as a 300M with 20's and a Bently style grille other than a Bently. I think it looks like a cadilLACK. Lack of style and Lack of thought. I sure would not pay $40,000 plus for it.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: 5.0willgo on September 19, 2005, 07:55:01 AM
Wow, the styling really does suck.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: Thunder Chicken on September 19, 2005, 07:57:49 AM
The 427 is cool, but the 300C has a major advantage: You can buy one. Concept cars are fine and well, but until they show up on the showroom floor they're just pipe dreams.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: slamedcat on September 19, 2005, 08:09:19 AM
The grill reminds me of a razor.
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Post by: baxo on September 19, 2005, 08:09:44 AM
Not only are they pipe dreams, the final production car looks a lot more dull then the prototype.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: cougarpower51 on September 19, 2005, 08:12:04 AM
I wrote it would quick the 300C ass because of the engine it produces 590hp and yes it definetly needs a lot of redesigining :tg:
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: BEARMAX on September 19, 2005, 08:15:46 AM
I Kinda Like It
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: SirChirpAlot on September 19, 2005, 09:48:28 AM
All the Concept cars have the same look. Every company say they have a great team to come up with Concept cars and try to build them ot put the ideas into there other line of products.
My Question is what happend to the cool people in the automotive design community? People that designed the honda elimit. There is a good ugly thing. Or the pontiac aztek. Did these people come to ford after losing there jobs and help copy off other cars to make fords wantabe caddy thing.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: Tbird232ci on September 19, 2005, 10:17:38 AM
Quote from: baXo
Not only are they pipe dreams, the final production car looks a lot more dull then the prototype.
and this one is already dull...
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: Funky Cricket on September 19, 2005, 10:37:22 AM
yah, that is just a 500 with some "future/retro" crome and lights and more "looks its square, BUT round" body lines.. I hate it, wouldn't ever buy it, looks stupid, don't care how fast it is. where are designers.. I agree, it's like the execs believe the self promoting of talentless hacks that are designing cars. "its fusion of old and new in an innovative design concept of the lifestyle of the driving elements that spur vigor in our targer audience" (read: i got my degree in being f'ing lame and couldn't draw a car if i traced it out of a magazine)
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: oldraven on September 19, 2005, 11:09:05 AM
Things that don't exist don't kick much of anything. ;)
"Thor can kick Lance Armstrong's ASS! He's got a 427ci V10 Hammer of the gods."
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: Bird351 on September 19, 2005, 11:13:38 AM
If that car were a woman, it would be a classic "wolf date".
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: Funky Cricket on September 19, 2005, 11:39:25 AM
Ragnarok!!!!!
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: oldraven on September 19, 2005, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: Funky Cricket
Ragnarok!!!!!
:giggle:
Otherwise known as the 8th Tour de France win.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: cougarman on September 19, 2005, 12:02:19 PM
Actually most of the exterior styling of the 427 concept became the new Fusion. It's the new "cup" car, here is a pic during on track testing. :D
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: oldraven on September 19, 2005, 12:24:39 PM
Quote from: cougarman
Actually most of the exterior styling of the 427 concept became the new Fusion. It's the new "cup" car, here is a pic during on track testing. :D
I love the looks of the new Cheforsleiac. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: Funky Cricket on September 19, 2005, 12:34:08 PM
Quote from: oldraven
:giggle:
Otherwise known as the 8th Tour de France win.
HAHAHAHA.. nordic judgement day will decend upon france in an icy doom to all of french cycling when Lance comes back to prove that he can do it again and again with out steriods..
ps. sorry not trying to hijack thread.. just too funny.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: cougarman on September 19, 2005, 12:35:55 PM
Street version, Ford Fusion.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: Tbird232ci on September 19, 2005, 01:38:04 PM
Quote from: cougarman
Street version, Ford Fusion.
Focus+Five Hundred=Fusion
Ford is doing what dodge did in the early/mid 90's...make every car look exactly the same
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: Thunder Chicken on September 19, 2005, 05:18:58 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci
Focus+Five Hundred=Fusion
Ford is doing what dodge did in the early/mid 90's...make every car look exactly the same
...and remarkably dull
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: 5.0willgo on September 19, 2005, 11:38:31 PM
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: EricCoolCats on September 20, 2005, 09:07:03 AM
The Fusion is still better than the Taurus it's replacing...most critics see the Fusion as the key to revitalizing Ford, if it's a hit. That doesn't mean you have to like the styling, but as all the vanilla lemmings that buy an Accord or Camry know, styling sometimes isn't as important in a class segment.
While we're on the subject of styling, a lil' tidbit from The Car Connection (http://www.thecarconnection.com):
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Ford Takes New Design Direction
Is the iosis the shape of things to come from Ford? The sleek and muscular gull-winged concept car Ford unveiled at the Frankfurt Motor Show last week isn't likely to hit showrooms anytime soon, company officials caution, but it's likely to have a serious impact on a company often accused of falling back on boring design.
"There will be no more timid cars" from Ford, the automaker's chief operating officer, Jim Padilla, told TheCarConnection.com during a discussion in Frankfurt. That message was echoed over and over during interviews with senior Ford managers, including the carmaker's design director, J Mays.
In a candid assessment of the work done since he joined Ford seven years ago, Mays admitted his team "has made some mistakes. We've been too conservative, and as a result, we've been criticized for being too bland."
In terms of styling, the work done on products like the full-size Five Hundred sedan "definitely doesn't deserve an 'A,'" though critics would probably question the "B+" Mays then assigned himself. Quibbles aside, Mays made it clear he's heard critics' concerns, and will be pushing closer to the edge of the envelope over the next few years.
Sheeeyah....we'll see there, J. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: oldraven on September 20, 2005, 10:43:48 AM
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: 5.0willgo on September 20, 2005, 12:26:00 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats
While we're on the subject of styling, a lil' tidbit from The Car Connection (http://www.thecarconnection.com):
I like "the next few years". Okay, so they have the new 500, the Fusion, and the Focus was redone recently. The range would probably be within the next 5-7 years before these bland looking cars are updated. That's just a wee bit more than a few years.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: 5.0willgo on September 20, 2005, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: oldraven
And I happened upon this, and thought you guys would love it.
An accord race car. Ugh :disappoin Well Toyota is coming in somewhere around 2007, so that wouldn't be surprising.
Toyota's been in the tuck series for a little while which is something I don't see Honda doing. Could you see a Ridgeline Supertruck :giggle:
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: Haystack on September 20, 2005, 12:37:39 PM
toyota has a motor that they are using in trucks on the track with a 9500RPM redline.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: pro-five-oh on September 20, 2005, 12:48:59 PM
Donno if you guys have seen a Fusion next to a Taurus, Camry and Accord, but the Fusion is drop dead gorgeous compared to those three vanilla rides. When you see it in person it will change your mind.
And the grille for the Fusion and 427 came from the 1965 Ford Galaxie...my first car...and it looks real sweet in person.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: cougarman on September 20, 2005, 01:22:54 PM
Quote from: Haystack
toyota has a motor that they are using in trucks on the track with a 9500RPM redline.
all the nascar motors can turn that kind of rpm, some more. :D personally I don't care what the street Fusion looks like, as long as it makes a good race car!! :deal:
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: EricCoolCats on September 20, 2005, 01:49:05 PM
Jeeves, you hit the nail right on the head. At a quick glance the Fusion, Accord, Camry, etc. do blend together, but at least the Fusion is proportioned right. I think it has just enough touches to make it better than the rest.
The above cars also represent what I feel is a wrong turn for automotive design: everything new is almost too polished. There are no more rough edges. Things are badged and branded and smoothed and pushed and creased to the point where there is no stand-out car anymore. Sure, some of a vehicle's elements by themselves are good, but together as a whole, nothing flows anymore. It's like a big mesh of good elements thrown in a blender. I'm not sure if designers are being restrained or if that's just how they are now, but the whole thing sucks big time.
We are spoiled because we own the very last generation of cars where there are still rough edges, nothing is too clean, and the whole design just works. I can point out questionable design elements on our cars all day. Does that make the design any worse? Not at all...that's what is called "character". We love the design because it's NOT polished to death. It is our expression of imperfection that sets us apart. We enjoy the fact that our cars were 97% there in the first place (and that the 3% is still rough). Now, it seems every design strives for that 100% but in reality is about 65%. Look at the Charger. I think its heart is in the right place, but the ass end just screams 'old people'. It has too many incongruous pieces thrown together. I can't even begin to understand how the Nissan Quest exists, and let's not touch upon the Pontiac Ass-tek.
We may be in the 21st century but designers still have a lot to learn from the 20th century.
Still, I think the Fusion will tide us over for the next few years. What we really need is the Euro-version of the Focus. I think that would be a tremendous 1-2 punch and a much-needed slap in the face to the current state of design.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: Tbird232ci on September 20, 2005, 02:08:23 PM
a company that i think has something going for them, is Scion
The Scion TC isnt too bad looking of a car, and its not a 100% perfect design, but what i feel that it has going for it, is that you can take that 97% car, and make it 100% to your liking with the "factory modifications" you can order, wheel options, and things like that
i think they have a brilliant idea with being able to get a car with a list of available parts, without even having to leave the dealership
now if only they could add some power to those poor things
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: 5.0willgo on September 20, 2005, 02:21:42 PM
I see it this way, the designs are on kind of a merry-go-round. In the 40's most cars were rounded. By the 50's there were some sharp edges and lines appearing along with some rounds. Throughout the 60's and 70's most of the curves were gone and cars had mostly hard lines. In the 80's, more curves began to appear and by the time the mid -to-late 90'shiznit, cars were again very rounded with some that had no sharp edges at all(like some of the 40's cars). Now they are starting to sharpen those curves again and judging by the concepts I've seen and some of the current production cars, they will be back to the brick shape that most were in the 60's/70's. The thing is that each time they try to reuse old styling techniques and try to make it modern as well, it appears overdone. I wonder if chrome bumpers will ever make a comback.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: EricCoolCats on September 20, 2005, 02:56:29 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci
a company that i think has something going for them, is Scion
The Scion TC isnt too bad looking of a car, and its not a 100% perfect design, but what i feel that it has going for it, is that you can take that 97% car, and make it 100% to your liking with the "factory modifications" you can order, wheel options, and things like that
i think they have a brilliant idea with being able to get a car with a list of available parts, without even having to leave the dealership
Amen! I've been saying this since Day 1. The tC is a great-looking car with just the right amount of rough edges I'm talking about. There are shades of Volvo, actually, from a front angle. It doesn't really look puppiesanese very much. And it has a presence on the road that is undeniable. I think paint is still an option on those cars. IIRC, the original idea was that you could order the car with just primer so you can paint it yourself. It's a shame that it took a puppiesanese auto manufacturer to understand how things worked in the 1960's in America (accessiories, options, etc.) and apply them to a 2000's car line that's sold in the United States. They are out to beat us at our own game, with ideas from 40 years ago!
Anyway...I know a lot of people don't care for the xA or xB. The xA is a bit pretentious, but to me the xB (or spelled backwards, 'box'!) is just quirky enough to pull off being a shoebox that's the right size and fit for younger car buyers. Boxy vehicles are all the rage in puppiesan. Expect to see more of them here in the future. As people say, it's now hip to be square. Is it anti-round (read: anti-establishment)? Sure. It might not be the best-looking vehicle on the road but it is unique--for now--in a cutesy way, and you certainly don't forget one when you see it.
And then you have the Honda Element and Honda Ridgeline, which are both boxy and both styled uniquely, and you certainly don't forget them when you see them either. But 'unique' sometimes means 'fugly' and in these two vehicles' cases, that cannot be more true. They are the equivalent of automotive afterbirth. To which, again, I say boldly and loudly: SCREW HONDA. :flip:
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: 5.0willgo on September 20, 2005, 03:24:58 PM
Does anybody else notice that the Ridgeline looks kind of like the Chevy Avalanche? The Ridgeline is smaller of course but I'm talking aobut the styling. Also that the Cobalt looks kinda like the Civic? I wonder how that happened :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: EricCoolCats on September 21, 2005, 09:19:37 AM
On the subject of Ford styling....catch this before Wed. Sep. 28th (changes every Wednesday):
http://www.autoextremist.com/page2.shtml#Rant
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: Thunder Chicken on September 21, 2005, 01:27:27 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats
On the subject of Ford styling....catch this before Wed. Sep. 28th (changes every Wednesday):
Very interesting indeed. The guy is saying what I've been saying about GM and Ford for a decade: "It's good enough" isn't good enough.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: Funky Cricket on September 21, 2005, 04:35:16 PM
the cobalt is like the jetta, the civic just stole that styling also.
Title: Re: 427concept quicks 300C ass
Post by: oldraven on September 21, 2005, 05:18:21 PM
Except the Cobalt looks nothing like the Jetta.
And the Jetta is like the Corolla.
I've said it before, there isn't a modern car on earth that can't be cut and pasted from the thousands of models that came before it. Nothing is entirely original.