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Title: Borg Warner...Do I want this?
Post by: Extinct on September 08, 2005, 11:43:20 PM
I saw this ad in the local paper and wanted opinions if this is worth buying....
 BORG Warner T-5 trans, c/w bellhousing, ped assembly, clutch & flywhl $600 obo.Can.
 To my knowledge its suppose to work, but I really know nothing about trannies cept that they seem real expensive :I
  THank you...I'm such a burdon at times :(
Title: Re: Borg Warner...Do I want this?
Post by: 88turbo on September 08, 2005, 11:49:49 PM
borg warner is what came in the turbo coupes  they arent bad trannys
Title: Re: Borg Warner...Do I want this?
Post by: Beau on September 09, 2005, 01:26:21 PM
might call and see what it came out of, if I recall correctly, some Camaros came with em..
my point is, make sure it's what ya need (input shaft, bellhousing), before ya spend money.
Title: Re: Borg Warner...Do I want this?
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 09, 2005, 01:29:26 PM
Yea be sure what it's from, but $600 for a complete 5.0 setup thats in good cond ain't a bad deal.

If its the 4cyl trans, you don't want it ...
Title: Re: Borg Warner...Do I want this?
Post by: oldraven on September 09, 2005, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50
If its the 4cyl trans, you don't want it ...


Does that go for TC T-5's too? Or just the Ranger/Mustang 2.3n/a T-5's? If so, why not? Is the TC tranny less durable than 302 Mustang T-5's?
Title: Re: Borg Warner...Do I want this?
Post by: cougarman on September 09, 2005, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: oldraven
Does that go for TC T-5's too? Or just the Ranger/Mustang 2.3n/a T-5's? If so, why not? Is the TC tranny less durable than 302 Mustang T-5's?

1) yes
2) yes            :D
most times they don't last long behind a 5.0.  :nono:
Title: Re: Borg Warner...Do I want this?
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 09, 2005, 03:22:32 PM
Quote from: oldraven
Does that go for TC T-5's too? Or just the Ranger/Mustang 2.3n/a T-5's? If so, why not? Is the TC tranny less durable than 302 Mustang T-5's?


The 4cyl Strang tranny is identical to the TC unit. They have a 240ft lb rating, so it ain't gonna live behind a 5.0 if you go rippin' on it. The better 5.0 trannys are in the 310-330 ft lb rating, but some of the early ones were as low as 265 ft lb. Also the gears are a lot deeper in the 4cyl trans, 1st is 3.97 vs 3.35(early) or 2.95 for the 5.0 trans. The 2.95 1st gear trannys are stronger than the 3.35 units. I busted one of the 3.35 gear trannys in a stock 5.0 Stang.

As far as the Rangers getting T5s maybe the late ones, but most have the junky MR52, same as the Super Coupes.
Title: Re: Borg Warner...Do I want this?
Post by: Extinct on September 09, 2005, 08:34:05 PM
Thanks for the info guys, tryin to get in touch with the guy now.

 Oh would it be practical to buy one of these 4 cyl T5's and rebuild it for V8 performance cause those 4 cyl trannies are dirt cheap and plentiful around here.
Title: Re: Borg Warner...Do I want this?
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 09, 2005, 09:05:30 PM
Quote from: Extinct
Thanks for the info guys, tryin to get in touch with the guy now.

 Oh would it be practical to buy one of these 4 cyl T5's and rebuild it for V8 performance cause those 4 cyl trannies are dirt cheap and plentiful around here.


NOPE.... Just about everything is different, including the case.. The 4cyl trans uses a larger front bearing because of the different gears required for the deep 1st gear ratio, so it actually is machined differently(otherwise it would be the same).
Title: Re: Borg Warner...Do I want this?
Post by: Extinct on September 09, 2005, 11:59:00 PM
Well FordTruckFreeek was right it came out of a camero, the guy did say it was possible to get a different cluch thingy and flywheel and bellhousing and it should work. I'll look into that tommorrow before moving on to a new plan.
  Thanks again peoples :)
Title: Re: Borg Warner...Do I want this?
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on September 10, 2005, 08:53:59 AM
The shifter is farther up toward the case on most of the GM units, also the output shaft is different(27 splines vs 28).... Would take a lot of adapting...
Title: Re: Borg Warner...Do I want this?
Post by: Mercoug302 on September 10, 2005, 01:56:36 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50
The 4cyl Strang tranny is identical to the TC unit. They have a 240ft lb rating, so it ain't gonna live behind a 5.0 if you go rippin' on it. The better 5.0 trannys are in the 310-330 ft lb rating, but some of the early ones were as low as 265 ft lb. Also the gears are a lot deeper in the 4cyl trans, 1st is 3.97 vs 3.35(early) or 2.95 for the 5.0 trans. The 2.95 1st gear trannys are stronger than the 3.35 units. I busted one of the 3.35 gear trannys in a stock 5.0 Stang.

As far as the Rangers getting T5s maybe the late ones, but most have the junky MR52, same as the Super Coupes.


I thought that only the FMS trannys had the 2.95 1st gear (T-5Z) with the 330 ft/lb capacity (better OD ratio also, 0.63:1 vs 0.68:1) mainly because it's for guys who have done mods to their cars with rear gears. It's my understanding that all 5.0's from 1987 up to 1993 had the 3.35:1 1st gear with only a 10 ft/lb higher capacity after 1990.