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General => General Fox T-Bird/Cougar Discussion => Topic started by: pro-five-oh on August 08, 2005, 11:48:49 AM

Title: Help a brother out...
Post by: pro-five-oh on August 08, 2005, 11:48:49 AM
Read my article on Blue Oval News...

http://blueovalnews.com/2005/products/mehta.pacecar05aug.htm

I'm back with another rant, please read it and pass it along! The more hits my article gets the better! Hopefully the Cougar and Tbird part will resonate with you all. :) :D
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: Funky Cricket on August 08, 2005, 12:05:17 PM
i liked it. very much actually.
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: EricCoolCats on August 08, 2005, 12:07:52 PM
Very nice Jeeves! Ya hit the nail on the head bro.

We may be stuck in the 1980's with our cars, but they were from the last era where those at Ford actually had balls to do something different. They're happy to be complacent right now. Which is why there is not a new Ford in my garage. And this is why they have to change.
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: Bird351 on August 08, 2005, 12:16:56 PM
The article gets the Seal Of Approval from the Official FTB/CF L*O*S*E*R. :D
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: Haystack on August 08, 2005, 12:27:20 PM
it was not that bad. It was pretty informative. I reather liked it as well
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: cougarman on August 08, 2005, 12:31:21 PM
Exactly my thoughts!! tell Ford shiznit or get off the pot!! :D
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: Funky Cricket on August 08, 2005, 12:43:11 PM
yah, i bought a cobalt over a focus for 2 reasons 1: it was before the everyone gets employee prices and I got a voucher from my best friend that works at GM and 2: it was fresh, had a nice interior and seemed like a much nicer car throughout.
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: Ether947 on August 08, 2005, 01:21:52 PM
New Ford ist teh sux!
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: CougarSE on August 08, 2005, 03:14:22 PM
Kinda gave me a warm fuzzy fealing inside....
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: 5.0willgo on August 08, 2005, 10:19:51 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself. Ford's cars are just downright boring and some have no style at all. Tis why I ended up buying a Hyundai. It is better looking than the comparable Focus (IMO) and the Focus couldn't beat the standard features, warranty, and price. If they had a more appealing sport compact at a decent price, my business probably would have been with Ford.

How about killing the Focus and bringing back the Maverick?
This being in a two door coupe to compete with the likes of Hyundai, Chevrolet, Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi etc.
Even though the Mustang is considered in the same class as some of these, I'm sure that a slightly smaller 15-18,000 dollar coupe would not hurt the sales of the Mustang.
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: 88turbo on August 08, 2005, 11:10:19 PM
I think that would be a hot selling cougar if they got around to producing it.  but we all know that they wont make some thing that the people really like and if they do it will be so high priced that nobody will be able to buy them.      what do you think about the end of the t-bird?
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: cougrrr302 on August 09, 2005, 12:48:43 AM
I have had many argument over the 05 mustang and charger. They try to bring back a retro name and make it modern. They are looking for sales because of the name not quality or looks. To bad the Cougar couldnt come back and kick the shiznit out of those cars in sales. What can I say for newer Fords though, I bought an 03 Escape, the Cougar needs some work. So that was my best option. Buy it used from my dads company for 5000. Not bad. Wrigley gum company does some good deals.
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: Funky Cricket on August 09, 2005, 01:13:35 PM
well it wouldn't be bad if they brought back old cars if they made them good.
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: fordman3 on August 09, 2005, 01:19:35 PM
Very good article.  The '05 Mustangs are probably the best-looking new cars I've seen since, well, I don't know when.  The '99 to '04 improved a lot over the '94 to '98, but there's no comparing to the '05.  The new generation Mustang will be the next new car I buy, which probably won't be for a few more years.  I love the look of the '69 front end (like my sadly departed '69 Mach 1), and the roofline of the '67/'68.  My only beef is, what happened to the back seat!?!?  It looks like it was made for amputees to sit in the back, or kids with very short legs.  My '99 still had a decent back seat, and supposedly the '05 added interior room.

As far as name resurrection, I don't mind as long as the new car is worthy of it.  The Mustang name can't be considered old, since it has never stopped since '64.  Same can be said for Corvette.  And GM is the absolute worst about bringing back old names.  Nova, Malibu, Impala (which has died and came back at least twice), Skylark, Le Mans, GTO, and I'm sure others.  I DON'T see how Mopar can bring back the Charger name and put it on a 4-door sedan!  Heck, the '80's Charger came closer (the little FWD Plymouth Turismo version).  A new Charger should be competing with a Mustang, which to me is one of the last remaining American muscle cars.  I wish them good luck!

Even though the Thunderbird is a nice car, I don't think it was ever a good idea to turn an affordable, classy looking (MN12) high-volume car into a high-dollar novelty 2-seater.  The current Cougar, IMHO, is not worthy of the name (sorry).  A FWD ricer-looking car should not be called a Cougar.  Again, I liked the MN12 Cougars and the Foxes, but not this one.  I think the concept Cougar is a litte too far out.  I'd just be happy if Ford themselves would build the new Cougar, on a RWD chassis, and put a V8 back in it.  But nothing exotic.

Just my $0.02.

Fordman3
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: slamedcat on August 09, 2005, 01:33:20 PM
Now if the car companys would listen to some one like this guy that would be nice.

http://www.creatingthelie.com/
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: Chuck W on August 09, 2005, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats
Very nice Jeeves! Ya hit the nail on the head bro.

We may be stuck in the 1980's with our cars, but they were from the last era where those at Ford actually had balls to do something different. They're happy to be complacent right now. Which is why there is not a new Ford in my garage. And this is why they have to change.


As much as it confuses and confounds my wife (wow...haven't typed that one in a few years :p)  I still am firmly entrenched in the styling of the cars of the late 70's-80's.  That doesn't mean I'm keen on the performance/technology, but that I can change :D.  I don't need to make an older car "look" new...I want it to run like new.  No carbs, bigger better brakes, etc. The drivetrain/suspension techology is what interests me.  The current batch of car designers (industry-wide) couldn't design their way out of a paper bag if you ask me. 

The new Mustang is marginal to me.  The powertrain stuff is cool, but the styling lacks something...seems neutered.  I also doubt the Cougar or the Tbird will come back as anything other than some silly niche concept car for 50-somethings that misses the point.  The Mercury dealerships wouldn't know what to do with a 350hp Mustang-based 4-place coupe.  Now if you took a Mustang and changed the grill and taillights and added more chrome and , then maybe they might have an idea.

To me there is not a new car out there that speaks to me enough to warrant all the new car bullshiznit.  Why would I want to pay some bank and insurance company outrageous payments for a car?  So I can fit in? Screw that.

I'll be happy with my 80's cars and do my powertrain updates on them and be able to do the work myself and not be held by the short curlies by a bank, insurance company or dealership service department.  Actually average age of my cars is going up from 20.4 yrs old to 21.5 yrs old since I'm selling the Ranger and buying an '80 Merc Z-7 :D (It's carbed, but not for long....)
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: Funky Cricket on August 09, 2005, 03:55:46 PM
i have a new car, but I also must be able to drive 120 + miles every day, day in and day out. I don't have time to be sitting at home changing a sensor, I can take my new one in, they give me a loaner and I still get to work.
BUT, for any car that I get as a toy, or if i never have to drive far (unless i can miraculously afford a new EVO XIII) I am buying another t-bird to put a new 5.0 in, or hop up the Turbo 4, if a tc of course.
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: cougrrr302 on August 09, 2005, 11:49:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck W
The new Mustang is marginal to me.  The powertrain stuff is cool, but the styling lacks something...seems neutered.  I also doubt the Cougar or the Tbird will come back as anything other than some silly niche concept car for 50-somethings that misses the point.  Now if you took a Mustang and changed the grill and taillights and added more chrome and , then maybe they might have an idea.
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I agree. If I had the money I would hack up a new Mustang. Fords new design misses the point completely. That challenger is a perfect example of a new-retro look. The tailights new to be reversed and the body(minus the front fenders and rear window) trashed. I love 64-70 stangs to death. But to me they totally ruined an icon. Plus the ricer cougars dont cut it. Older cars are always going to beat them. "You can always upgrade an old car(perfect), you cant(and dont) downgrade a new car". And thats all I have to say.
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: siscrew on August 10, 2005, 03:10:14 AM
I rather liked the Mercury Messenger, at least from that pic, and their ideas about a new T-bird sound decent. I am and have always been a big fan of 60's and 70's cars, the big old land yachts, and seeing the designs that most of the car companies are spewing out nowadays , a single word comes to mind: bland.
So I hope that somebody will take notice and we'll see more interestingly styled cars coming out of the production lines.
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: pro-five-oh on August 10, 2005, 07:21:57 PM
Thanks for all the comments everyone, its nice to see that Ford enthusiasts all believe in the same general concept.  Now if only Ford could see that, and maybe realize that boring cars are the domain of Toyota, and they can't touch Toyota's reputation.  So make more Mustangs...both literally and figuratively!

And yeah, I actually do not like the styling of the Mustang, but its look is like an infection...and its a very profitable one!  Wouldn't kill Ford to make their current FWD cars have this much passion...

As far as more RWD ones, well maybe in the next decade.  Aside from the Panther and possibly a Cougar (there's lotsa rumors) that ain't gonna happen.

Thanks again, the more "we" voice our opinions to Ford the more they might actually listen.
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: Cougars 2 go on August 10, 2005, 11:59:57 PM
Quote from: pro-five-oh
Thanks again, the more "we" voice our opinions to Ford the more they might actually listen.

:laughing:
:rollin:

Fat chance.
Great article though.

Someone posted a picture of an '05/06 Cougar concept somewhere (too tired to look) but it was basically an '05 Mustang with Cougar trim, much like it was in the late 60's.  I would buy that. :headbang:
Title: Re: Help a brother out...
Post by: pro-five-oh on August 11, 2005, 10:09:10 AM
LOL, be an optomist, would ya? :)

If it wasn't for waves of angry letters from irate Mustang fans in the late 1980s, the Mustang would have been FWD with a turbo 4, and the Probe would never exist!  True story.