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Title: Vent Windows
Post by: fordman3 on May 14, 2018, 07:08:18 PM
I've always liked the Birds/Cougars with the vent windows, but they definitely are in the minority.  Anybody know why there were so few?  Was it an expensive option?  Were they just unpopular?  Does it give them any more collectible value since there were so few?  The car I'm considering buying (fingers crossed) is an '86 Cougar (not sure of trim level) with 3.8, C5, and vent windows.  Has the typical options (PW, PDL, driver's PS, P/mirrors, rear defrost, 14" wheels with wire spoke covers).  Anything about those options that makes it rare?  I was just curious.  It's tan with a darker cocoa-colored cloth upholstery.  And, it's got black mirrors instead of chrome.  I thought black mirrors were a T-bird thing.  Thanks for any feedback.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: BCA on May 15, 2018, 11:16:37 AM
Quote from: fordman3;465789
I've always liked the Birds/Cougars with the vent windows, but they definitely are in the minority.  Anybody know why there were so few?  Was it an expensive option?  Were they just unpopular?  Does it give them any more collectible value since there were so few?  The car I'm considering buying (fingers crossed) is an '86 Cougar (not sure of trim level) with 3.8, C5, and vent windows.  Has the typical options (PW, PDL, driver's PS, P/mirrors, rear defrost, 14" wheels with wire spoke covers).  Anything about those options that makes it rare?  I was just curious.  It's tan with a darker cocoa-colored cloth upholstery.  And, it's got black mirrors instead of chrome.  I thought black mirrors were a T-bird thing.  Thanks for any feedback.

My personal opinion as to why the vent window option is not commonly seen on these cars is due to a couple of different factors.

At the time that these cars were introduced to the market, “aero” was the big word of the day. It was a time of major change in the styling of the FLM products and was pretty futuristic to many at the time. I think to most people, the vent windows could be looked at as an old fashioned feature or one that interrupted the aero styling of the new cars.
Secondly, the vent window option was a stand-alone option and while it could be added to all trim levels, it wasn’t part of any option package. Most dealerships tend to order their stocking inventory with option packages to keep it simple and to be at a more competitive level for customers that are lot shopping. A typical lot shopper is likely to consider a car that is a few hundred dollars cheaper than a nearly identical car that may have a few more individual options tacked on to it.

For 1986, the sticker price for the Pivoting Vent Windows option was $82.00

I agree, the vent windows are a unique and interesting option. I’m probably biased because my car has them, but if I were to do it all over again, I would have made sure to get an ’83-‘86 car with them. With that said, I do think that they would look out of place on the sleeker ’87-’88 cars so I think Ford’s decision to eliminate them was the right one.

As to the Cougar you are considering, depending on the previous owner(s) tastes, many things could have been changed or altered in 32 years. But two easy tell-tale signs that you have a GS or an LS is the style of the door trim panels and the carpeted rear deck lid panel. A GS door panel will have the door lock buttons below the door handle towards the map pocket. The LS trim panel has it positioned on an upswept panel. The underside of deck lid on LS’s had a carpeted liner installed and GS's did not get the carpeted panel.

Good luck on the purchase.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: fordman3 on May 15, 2018, 01:25:43 PM
BCA,
Thanks for the info.  I have since found out by checking trim codes (the owner sent a pic of the data tag) that it's a GS.  It is Light Taupe Metallic, with Taupe interior.  And I wasn't entirely correct about the mirrors.  On the driver's side the mirror is still chrome; on the passenger side it's got a black mirror, which probably tells me that at some point that mirror got knocked off and all they could find was a T-bird mirror.  No biggie, but if I buy the car, I'd probably swap the chrome mirror for another black one.  I'm not a huge chrome fan.  Your theory about the vent windows is probably right.  I am one of those people who likes not having the same thing that everybody else has.  I like to find the quirky or oddball things that make a car different from the pack.  Like a rare paint color (or combinations), non-standard wheels, odd engine/trans combinations, or just options that didn't normally come together, etc.  I was surprised at first that this car didn't have AOD.  It's been a long time since I saw any vehicle without OD, even going back to the 80's.  I'm also not sure I've ever seen that Taupe interior before.  I kinda like it.  It reminds me of a cocoa color.  It's got the 14" wheels with wire covers, which I plan to swap out for some Turbo Coupe snowflake 16's with some little fat 225/50R16 tires.  I even have the Cougar center caps to put in the snowflakes.  I also plan to put a Turbo Coupe steering wheel in it, which is sportier and has more meat to grip.  To buy it I'm going to have to sell one of my other pieces of yard art first (a '98 VW Beetle that's sat dead for over a year).  This buyer is pretty desperate to sell, and the car will need a trans.  I've found a C5 on Craigslist in my general area for $150, assuming it's OK.  Thanks again for the feedback.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: rodsterh on June 19, 2018, 10:50:09 PM
Quote from: BCA;465797
My personal opinion as to why the vent window option is not commonly seen on these cars is due to a couple of different factors.

At the time that these cars were introduced to the market, “aero” was the big word of the day. It was a time of major change in the styling of the FLM products and was pretty futuristic to many at the time. I think to most people, the vent windows could be looked at as an old fashioned feature or one that interrupted the aero styling of the new cars.
Secondly, the vent window option was a stand-alone option and while it could be added to all trim levels, it wasn’t part of any option package. Most dealerships tend to order their stocking inventory with option packages to keep it simple and to be at a more competitive level for customers that are lot shopping. A typical lot shopper is likely to consider a car that is a few hundred dollars cheaper than a nearly identical car that may have a few more individual options tacked on to it.

For 1986, the sticker price for the Pivoting Vent Windows option was $82.00

I agree, the vent windows are a unique and interesting option. I’m probably biased because my car has them, but if I were to do it all over again, I would have made sure to get an ’83-‘86 car with them. [COLOR="#FF0000"]With that said, I do think that they would look out of place on the sleeker ’87-’88 cars so I think Ford’s decision to eliminate them was the right one. [/COLOR]

As to the Cougar you are considering, depending on the previous owner(s) tastes, many things could have been changed or altered in 32 years. But two easy tell-tale signs that you have a GS or an LS is the style of the door trim panels and the carpeted rear deck lid panel. A GS door panel will have the door lock buttons below the door handle towards the map pocket. The LS trim panel has it positioned on an upswept panel. The underside of deck lid on LS’s had a carpeted liner installed and GS's did not get the carpeted panel.

Good luck on the purchase.



Lots of good points and I agree with you on the factors.  Definitely would look out of place on the 87-88's but I really like the windows on my 83 and used them a lot.  $76 option in 1983.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: ZachReynolds on June 26, 2018, 12:47:53 AM
Does anyone have any idea where to get the weather stripping/seals/wipers for these cars equipped with the vent windows?  The channel between the door window and vent window I only have 3/4 of the seal left so when I roll up my driver side window I get rained on still.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: ISTLCRUZ on June 26, 2018, 06:09:20 AM
Try SteeleRubber Products. They sell some kits for these cars( not sure on those with wing windows). Do a search on here, I think someone did write up on this years back. Good luck and post up some pics of the car.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: EricCoolCats on June 26, 2018, 08:17:29 AM
I used a Ford Ranger channel run for my car with a vent window. It was years ago, but I got it through JC Whitney at the time. The 1980s Rangers also had vent windows so it was a perfect match. Hope that helps.

EDIT: Rock Auto seems to carry a set, might be worth a shot...
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,1986,ranger,2.3l+140cid+l4,1137473,body,door+window+glass+channel,12412
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: softtouch on June 26, 2018, 12:25:18 PM
Did A/C ever become a standard feature on these cars?
If you opted for a no A/C car you probably would have wanted the vent windows.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: EricCoolCats on June 26, 2018, 12:33:54 PM
For the Cougar, A/C was standard beginning in 1987. Before then it was optional on every model and trim level, but it was also in several popular PEP packages so a lot of cars had it.

The "value leader" 1983-86 models (stripped cars) that dealers used to carry were often found with vent windows. You could get vent windows with crank windows as well. Just think how rare that has to be...
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: Thunder Chicken on June 26, 2018, 04:39:55 PM
I really, reeaalllly want a vent window 83-86 Bird. Really.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: CoogarXR on June 26, 2018, 06:30:17 PM
My old 83 cougar had vent windows with cranks and AC.

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I could take 'em or leave 'em. The only thing I don't like about them is, with the window down, my arm doesn't lay flat on the window sill (my hand hits the upright for the vent window).
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: fordman3 on June 27, 2018, 05:08:29 PM
According to the sales brochures from '83 thru '86 (which I've collected because I'm a nerd), the vent window option said it required the dual power windows and tinted windows options.  But no reference to having AC.  I've never seen a vent window car with manual cranks, but maybe some slipped out.  Ford/Mercury always seemed to contradict themselves on what was/wasn't available.  Any of our members have a vent manual window car?  I'd love to see a pic.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: fordman3 on June 27, 2018, 05:09:24 PM
Duh!  Didn't even see the pic in the previous post.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: Haystack on June 27, 2018, 05:22:37 PM
My 83 had vent windows and no tint either.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: BCA on June 27, 2018, 05:59:33 PM
Quote from: fordman3;466277
According to the sales brochures from '83 thru '86 (which I've collected because I'm a nerd), the vent window option said it required the dual power windows and tinted windows options.

Check your brochures again as I believe they will say vent windows required tinted glass and dual power mirrors not windows. ;)
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: fordman3 on June 27, 2018, 06:04:42 PM
You know what, you're right.  Good catch.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: fordman3 on July 07, 2018, 03:19:43 PM
What was it that linked power mirrors to vent windows?  As we figured out, you could get crank windows with vents, but a crank window car with power mirrors seems like an odd combo to me?  I just wondered why those 2 features had to come together.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: Haystack on July 07, 2018, 04:37:18 PM
The cable for manual mirrors runs through where the vent window goes.

To me it looks like they modified an off tye shelf part and made it fit. There's plenty of room for a cable to route down through the black part and have lots of room for adjustment but with the vent windows the cable gets in the way with the stock setup
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: fordman3 on July 08, 2018, 11:02:57 PM
So, did every 2-mirror car have the power mirror option, or could you have 2 manual mirrors?  I've never seen one of those, either.  Only seen a handful of single mirror cars as well.  I just have to have 2 mirrors.  To me a car with 1 mirror just doesn't look right.  Just one of my things.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: EricCoolCats on July 08, 2018, 11:14:24 PM
Standard outside mirror was cable, driver's side only, on base models through 1986. The passenger side got the block off plate. But you could get a passenger side cable remote mirror from the Ford parts department; it was pretty much identical to the driver's side and installed the same way. So technically it was possible to have two cable remote mirrors in that respect. I don't recall dual cable mirrors being a factory option. Most cars either had the PEP with dual power mirrors, or had the standalone option, or it was standard on an upper-level model. On the Cougar at least, power mirrors were standard from 1987-on.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: fordman3 on July 09, 2018, 06:48:32 PM
Many years ago I'd found a guy with some parts I wanted, and he lived a pretty good distance from me.  I drove there to pick up the parts I'd bought, and the car he had in the garage (the donor, I guess) was an '85/'86 T-bird base model with crank windows and the single manual mirror.  It was in a state of disassembly for whatever reason.  I picked my parts up and came home.  I talked to the guy a week or two later for some reason, and asked about his progress on the car.  He said that he would give the car to anyone who wanted to come pick it up.  Unfortunately I couldn't for many reasons, but I sure wish I had that opportunity again.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: rodsterh on July 14, 2018, 10:52:45 PM
Reminds me of a car I saw locally many years ago.  Came from the factory with a vent window on one side but none on the other side.  Owner thought it made his car super rare and valuable when all it really was, was an odd factory mix up.
Title: Vent Windows
Post by: Haystack on July 15, 2018, 03:15:18 PM
I have a set of manual mirrors on my 86 cougar. I pulled then off a 83 well optioned car. I actually deleted every power option on that car.