If anyone has some 86-88 3.8 or 5.0 motor mounts (isolators and all) I can take a gander at, I may be able to come up with a poly set of mounts for them.
If anyone has any pics handy for starters, I could give a pretty good guess on whether I can help out or not.
Chuck
OK..maybe no one is interested :p
Never even saw the thread before now, to be honest. Saw your 2.3 mounts thread tonight, though, and they looked great.
Don't have a pair of them out that I could photograph for ya.. hopefully someone has a couple laying around. If they're identical to '88 LSC 5.0 mounts, it's possible I could have that pair out in the not-too-distant future, if no one else has responded by then. Depends on what I decide to do with that car. Also could have the '86's mounts out soon if that engine takes a . A lot of ifs, yes.. but I'd probably even be willing to mail them to ya if one of those situations came to pass, and you'd rather have 'em on hand vs. just a few pics.
How will they compare to stock mounts? Or is this one of those cases of "if you don't know, you probably shouldn't be buying them"? :D
Will this include the infamous bracket I've seen some people desperately seeking?
Hopefully this'll kick up some discussion about it. I'd hate to think there was zero interest around here. Best of luck with it. Maybe it's something I'd jump on someday if you have a leftover pair from a first batch, or jump in on a second batch if you do one.
Not sure what bracket you're talking about, unless it's the one's the SVO guys needed. Not an issue here.
From what I have seen in a couple pics, it might be possible for me to use the bottom half of my 86-88TC mounts with a new upper, but that is all speculation at this point.
Comparison to stock mounts? Obviously stiffer, stronger..and they will never tear in two pieces.... You will sacrifice some vibration damping, but get a stronger mount in return.
I'm trying to see if it's possible to spread my use of these isolators out a bit more. They are off the shelf items right now, but it may be possible for me on down the line to have some made up of a different (read:softer) durometer which will dampen better, but still not give up any strength. I've also got a couple ideas for mounts I may market to the UK and Europe....
Chuck, except for possibly a slight difference in the height, the '86-'88 5.0 Bird/Coug isolators are identical to the passenger side 2.3 isolators. I've used a right '87 2.3 isolators for the left in a '86 5.0 Bird and it fit with no problem... BTW the FOX 3.8 isolators are supposed to be different than a 5.0, but the MN12 3.8 isolators are the same as the fox 5.0 units. You may want to check this out(possible Super Coupe market?).
So tell me whats the deal with the driver side 2.3 isolators that is smaller in diameter... Is it liquid filled??
If you can mfg isolators with the upper/lower brackets I would think the swap guys should be all over them. Although I've had no problem with my NAPA isolators, I'd buy a set if you decide to produce them. I'll see if I can get some shots of the upper 5.0 brackets(the lowers are the same as the 2.3).
Tom
BTW(again) The LSC uses Mustang type mounts that are totally different than the Bird/Coug(at least my '86 LSC did).
Tom-
Well, I'l looking at replacing the whole lot, bracket/isolator and all. I haven't had any 5.0 stuff in a while, and even at that, they were 83-85's which used the Mustang-style mounts.
I know they ar like gold, but if anyone wants to loan me a set of complete mounts I can work on looking into what might work...
hmm.... If I can get a mustang engine this weekend, I will be pull out my motor. If that is the case, I can prolly take some detailed pics while I have it out.
As an aside to this...I'm also investigating alternate durometer isolators for my mounts....which should soften the vibes for some folks.
I guess we'll see how interested folks are about this.....
:rolleyes:
Not sure how we should respond.. has anyone on this board ever used a set of your mounts with the materials you use now?
How big of a batch do you need to make to make the effort worth your while? Perhaps if enough people respond, you could just whip up that amount using the original material, and get feedback from them on whether or not they consider them too rough? Don't know what else to suggest.
Well, my original stuff was for the turbo guys, and I'm not sure if any hang out here or not (there are 50-60 sets floating around).
I'm not too concerned with batch sizes right now, I'm more interested in seeing what the stock stuff actually looks like and get my hands on some to get them layed out.
As far as "too stiff", they will be comparable to any of the other poly motor mounts available for the "Mustang-style" cross-members. Like I mentioned, I'm looking into other isolator options, and if I've got enough part numbers to spread them over I can justify the expense of having molds made and offering up some durometer options.
I'm trying to get to the point on my other 3 styles of mounts of keeping a couple sets "in stock".
I'm doing this stuff to fill in niches where the original parts have been obsoleted and replacements are tedious to hunt down. The "factory" style isolator/mount design sucks...period, unless all you are concerned about is a cushy ride and never drive the car hard. Also it gives an option for folks who are looking to do swaps, and not having to use py original isolators.
Chuck: I've attached a picture of my 5.0 mounts that went into my '88. The lower half are original T/C and the isolators are 3.8 MN12 pieces. The upper part that attaches to the motor is the difficult piece to find.
Rick
Rick- Thanks for the pic. I can do replacements, no problem. Just need to get my hands on a set to get measurments and make mock-ups. Who's got some I can borrow?
Sorry Chuck. I've got some but my motor is sitting on them at the moment.
Well you're no help :p
I've got a set you can borrow, just pm me with the details. :D
consider yourself PM'ed
Looks like Herb is sending me a set to scope out. I'll keep folks posted on the results.
Wow if you do this chuck send me a bill! I'll take a set!
I'll let you know. I'm going to try and get some of the prototype bits lasered with my upcoming batch of motor mounts for the 2.3Ts (I've got a BIG list of orders this time...yowza!).. The bonus is that these can most likely use the bases of my Style 2 mounts (for 86-88TC), so my workload is reduced on this. I'm also checking into the feasibilty of having the ability to offer a slightly softer isolator. The feasibilty part being whether I can justify the cost of tooling for them...as I know they can be made for me. Another reason for me trying expand on the uses for them. Perhaps come fall I will able to say I can offer these to you guys. Probably going to lean more towards the 5.0 mounts initially an maybe do 3.8's....but I'm not sure of the real need for those.
for the 3.8 guys, it might be best just to offer them the isolators, because theres very few guys that would be interested in the performance aspect, the 3.8L isnt notorious for tearing up the mounts, old age is
The thing is, I don't want to spend the time trying to reengineer a py design. They may be best suited just using/modding some aftermarket replacements. One of my primary goals is to ditch the py design of the OEM isolators.
Anyone have a pic of the 5.0 mounts bolted to a block? Just trying to get an idea of them in context.
Thanks
Also..what size is the hardware that bolts them to the block? Thread and length?
I just spent 15 mins looking at the stock ones and I have the design already scoped out ;) I'll build some protos and get them into testing...
Here's the best pic I have. As for the the mounting bolts, I "think" they were between 1/2 to 9/16's, kinda blocked some of the aspects of that ordeal outta my mind! Hope this helps some.
Here's a couple pics of the mounts on my LS motor, and the last one is of what usually happens to them. :D Hey Chuck, my son wanted me to let ya know that the top brackets on the mounts are pretty weak, as he has broken two of them. :yuck:
Cool-
Herb, the brackets you sent me are both cracked...so I see that issue. What I'm going to do to the brackets won't allow that to happen again, nor will the isolators tear.
As far as the hardware to the block goes...I need to know exactly the thread and length....
I'm interested in the mounts - I don't remember what size/length the bolts are though. As I approach 400RWHP, I should be worrying about mounts :D
Well, I will need to know the info on the hardware as I'll be supplying new with the mounts when I do them, and they will wind up longer than stock, but since I have no 5.0 blocks here, I need to get this info from someone else.
I can pull a couple from the LS motor, and ship them out to ya , if that would help. :D
Don't quote me on this, it's a post I found at http://www.clubcobra.com/t61425.html (http://www.clubcobra.com/t61425.html) and he says it was for his 289...
1. Crank Pulley :3/8"NC x approx 1.25"
2. Water Pump Pulley: 5/16 NF x 1" (Too long they & they will foul the pump body)
3. Fuel Pump: 3/8"NC X approx 1.5"-1.75"
4. Motor Mounts: 7/16" NF x 1"
5. Flywheel: 7/16" NF x 1" or 1.25" (depending on flywheel or flexplate thickness).
6. Oil Pump: 3/8" NC X 1.25. ( recommend studs here, must be longer to allow for nut and washer.
Herb - If you could that would be great.
MB- I'm not sure if a fine thread would be used in that location, but 7/16" dia sounds right.
I guess if Herb has some, that will end all questions ;)
I'll get right on that! :D
Hey Chuck, bolts are on thier way!! :D
I spent some time working on jigs for these last night.
It will have to wait until I get some of the lasered bits back with my other order to be able to piece together prototypes (they use some of the same pieces for mounts I've already designed) , but I imagine I'll have a set together before the end of the month.
i take it mustang poly mounts wont work?
I would like to try out some proto's of these mounts :D I am fixing up my busted motor (broken piston) and one of the mounts is loose already - I guess it doesn't take long with 450 FT-LBS of torque! :D Any chance I could get a couple of proto's to try out?
Nope, not on an 86-88 model. The 83-85 uses the same crossmember as the Mustang, but the 86-88 has a unique one that requires unique (and discontinued) mounts. acome to think of it, I could be wrong - the 86 may be the same as the 83-85, but the 87-88 are definitely different
You had it correct the first time... '86-'88 are the same.
I think that some 85's are the same too. I think it is the same as the 85.5 thingy with the back axel
Any news on these? I'm going to be putting the motor back together and I may be desperate for an upgraded mount since I just put new one's in 2 years ago and the passenger side is falling apart already.
I'm still getting all the bits sorted for the orders for the 2.3Ts. I started on a jig a couple weeks ago, and might be able to work on the one this weekend. Lots of things going on project-wise this weekend.
I know How I'm going to build them, it's just a matter of getting everything worked out.
Thanks for the update. I figured you were busy since you hadn't responded to my earlier post - thought I'd be a pain in the arse since my motor is hanging from a crane now... :D
I can slip them in later if I have to :locked:
I'm still planing on getting a set from you Chuck. My motor goes to the machine shop monday.
I'm putting my motor back together this weekend :D
Sorry, no dice yet. I still need to finish up the orders for the folks who have paid for their mounts before I get back to the R&D on the new stuff.
They're coming though :hick:
I'm going to need a set, i just put a 5.0 HO in my car and went thru 3 napa mounts already.
When you make them let me know, I need a set ASAP
Let me get the batch of 2.3T mounts out the door and I'll get back to these.
By the time I get 8 good pistons and get my engine back together - maybe I'll be able to get a set... :D
Sooooo.....
What's up! :D
Soooooo........
I've been busy boxing up the 2.3T mounts to get them out the door. I should get the last of them out of the way over the weekend. I still have a couple hours of welding on the Tbird cage so I can get it to the painter's too. Depending on how things go I may get some time this weekend to get back to them. I have been slammed to the wall for the past couple months now on the weekends.
Well, I'm glad you're planning on doing them - I found two non-ripped mounts to set the motor on to get it started. I guess I'm not in such a hurry now that I got the motor setting in the bay again... :flame: :giggle: :rollin:
Ok....the prototype driver side mount. Just tacked together and needs welded, but here's a comparo..
(http://ustio.com/file_dump/chuck/Misc/50mount_2.JPG)
(http://ustio.com/file_dump/chuck/Misc/50mount_3.JPG)
Herb (cougarman) is going to be my "tester" and depending how things go (I need to make sure all my first articles and such jive before I send these away). I may be sending them off to him next week to get some feedback. I'm going to let him beat on them for a bit before I go into "production"
I will be interested when you get these in production.
you kick ass chuck...
Wow, looks great!!:D :bowdown:
Well, the passenger side is done as well. I'm going to weld them up tomorrow and get a coat of paint on them and get them off to Herb.
As a related note.
Zinc plated (like the brackets on the bottom) or powder-coated? Which might you folks prefer? If they're powder-coated, I'll probably only offer a couple colors (perhaps a low-gloss black and a silver).
Those are looking great! I'm definitely interested in buying a set from you when you go into production.
Yeah, I'll definitely be interested in a set. Powdercoated black would be cool, but to be honest, I'd be most interested in whatver would be easiest to keep clean.
I SO want a pair of those :)
I was wondering - would it be hard to make a mount that drops the engine an inch or so? For, say, a 351W-under-stock-hood swap? I ask because eventually my brother's gonna get sick of repairing his '97 E350 van with the roller 351 in it, and I've already told him that sucker is mine when he finally uses it up...
I'm not sure how much the engine would have to be dropped, nor am I sure whether you'd have enough room for the oil pan if the engine was dropped, but just thought I'd put the idea out there. Regardless, I will be wanting a set of those mounts for when things finally start to happen with the T-Bird...
I could probably come up with something that would drop the engine a bit, but not sure about a full 1".
Will the drivers mount eliminate any grinding normally required to use the mounts with FMS headers? Only issue I can think of other than needing longer bolts.
What grinding are you talking about?
They will come with new hardware.
Hmmm, I can't find it on Cool Cats though I thought it was common knowledge. The safety tab that extends out through the rectangular opening is fairly wide and high up near the mount. The side of the tab near toward the rear of the car getshiznit by one of the pipes as it heads down to the collector. It has to be scalloped a bit to prevent the pipe from hitting. It likely wont be a problem based on what I can see - could be ground easily anyway.
So what's the approximate price tag looking to be for these? Also, got any pieces parts pictures of the mounts for knowing how they would assembled. Looks kinda like a simple yet possibly complicated setup. They look rather beefy, what is the feel like compared to the Napa rubber mounts? Also I vote for the black powdercoat!
Well looking again at this pic
(http://ustio.com/file_dump/chuck/Misc/50mount_2.JPG)
I don't think clearance will be an issue. ;)
nirvanagod...not sure what you mean by a complicated set-up. They will come out of the box like in the pic and will get bolted into the car.
I did actually come up with a slightly different way to build them after reading Thunder Chicken's post, but it won't change the end result as far as durability and strength goes, but the ease of manufacture.
As far as pricing and NVH goes. On my other mounts (stuff for the 2.3T), the prices have been $125/set. As far as NVH, that's kind of what I'm having Herb checkout for me. I know how they are in the 2.3Ts, but I don't personally have an 86-88 5.0 Tbird (or even a 5.0 vehicle to test). They are noticeable but tolerable attached to a 2.3T, which is not a smooth mill. The engine does NOT move though..period.
Well you replied to my wanted thread and I replied back.I want a set Chuck.I am in no hurry though as I stated.
Thanks,
Chris
Yeah, I don't think so either - it's hard to see how high the ring goes from the pics, but it seems pretty unlikely it will be an issue - just wanted to mention it... I'll be letting ya know how they hold up to 550 lb-ft of torque though :D
It's not any higher than the stock mounts (actually about 1/2" lower) and almost 2" closer to the block at it's furthest point out.
Those are SWEET!!! I'm definatly in for a set...
Very nice. I like the zinc coating but black powdercoat would be my second choice. Regardless of the coating I'll be buying a set!
Zinc for teh win.
I must say WOW. These look like they will solve alot of problems.
The only problem I see though, massive torque may crack the welds were the square tube welds to the round bung that bolts to the block and were it mounts to the motor mount plate. Seems like there is alot of gusseting and we know your welds will be perfect so there probly wont be a problem.
Actually the design will be a little different for the "production" pieces. It will be a little more in material cost, but will save some fab time. They will be even more beefy than these, and the mounting hardware at the block is going be grade 8.
Now I guess the next important question would be, should I wait until after the holidays to do a batch?
I was thinking about possibly doing a small run next month (like 10 sets).
Next month???? PM me your number, I would like to pay you in advance if thats cool.
Thanks,
Chris
I want to give Herb a little time with them first before I think about it. What I'm going to do though when I do it is order stuff for a specific amount, and that will be it for that batch. I'm not going to do these massive batches like I did on my last run (65+ sets)...it takes too long and the logistics are hell. I'll know more in a couple weeks on what I'm doing and really don't want to take any money until then. PM or email me Chris if you have some more ?'s
Well I got the mounts installed today, everything seems fine so far. The 20th does shift smoother up and down now, possibly due to the broken stock mounts. As seen below, a good reason to use Chuck's mounts.:D
Remember, now... DON'T throw those brackets away.
They're a bitch to find for those wanting to stay with stock mounts.
Don't worry, brackets aren't going anywhere.:D Pretty sure "someone";) is very interested in them.:D
So, tell us about the NVH is with the new mounts! It's really my only concern...
I didn't notice any harshness at all, seem to be smooth as stock.:D
Sweet, I am going to be needing a set here soon.Things are going better then I thought.
The old stock mounts look similar to the 5.0 MN12 mounts, if so I have a set of those I could use in the time being.
Thanks,
Chris
So, would folks rather I held off until after the holidays to run a small batch of these mounts or what?
Anytime you are ready is fine by me...
I'll be pullin' the engine in the early spring, would install them then...
Count me in for a set! You say when and the money is on the way.
I can wait now - haven't broken my mounts yet, but it won't be long with 500ft-lb of torque at the flywheel :flame:
After the holidays would work better for me. Definitely be getting another set!!:D
I'd be in for a set after the holidays. They look awesome.
Count me in for a set as well. Did we come to a conclusion on finish color?
I'm pretty sure these are going to be zinc plated.
What I'm going to do when I'm ready to do these is basically say I'm going to do "X" number of sets, and place my laser parts order at that time. It won't be some 20-30 set order either. I just can't work the larger batches at the moment.
I'm hoping to have the new isolators worked out by then as well and have switched to the stainless sleeves, but we'll see.
I am going to need a set but after Thanksgiving is fine.I am working a deal on my motor and tranny combo now.I will need them late December early Jan for sure though.
Thanks,
Chris
Well, I'm trying to decide if I want to do them the middle/end of Dec (at least get the orders taken and material ordered, etc).
I'm trying to shorten the turn around time on them.
Whatevers best for you Chuck.I think the MN12 mounts I have will work for now and it is sure alot easier to change the mounts on a fox then an MN12 or TurboCoupe,lol.
Thanks,
Chris
OK. Just a reminder bump for those who were interested.
I'll most likely be running a small batch of 10-12 sets of these. I'll be taking orders and such just after the first of the year.
Cool. I'm in
Same here, count me for a set.
I'm in!! :D :bowdown:
I'm in...
Yep...
Put me down for a set!
i wish i could use them there so purdy....
I'm in for a set!:D
I will need a set, but as long as you will be making another batch eventually, I can wait if someone needs them for this run.
those look awsome, put me on the list
Well, it looks like the batch will be 12 sets. I will take orders w/in a week (Posting in this thread will not place an order. Instructions will come later)
Chuck!:bowdown:
I wanna be sure to get on your list for mounts.
I just dragged my 87 T'coupe home yesterday (and wiped reverse gear out of the pickup truck tranny doing it) and will be needing a set of your mounts for the twin turbo V8 project.
I'll be watching for the announcement.
Jim Franks
I'm diggin' on a set :D
OK, I sent out PMs to the folks in this thread who directly said they wanted a set of mounts.
About 1/2 of them replied back with the requested info, so.....
Here's what I need from you if definitely want a set of mounts. I need an email to cwarren@indy.net with your full name and shipping info (your car year would be good too). This will hold your set. I am only doing 12 sets this time around. I will then contact everyone later with a total (with shipping). For those that missed it, the price is going to be $125 plus S&H for a set.
I'll be doing more later, just not sure exactly when.
Thanks
Chuck
Hey Chuck, count me in! I'm in dire need of something tougher until I get my tubular K and solids.
Thanks,
Don
I sent you the email, Chuck, but forgot to include the year. Mine's an '88
BTW, you did get my second email that had my full address I hope. Mine is a 20th with 500 ft-lb of torque - make mine extra strong :giggle:
Sent you an e-mail Chuck. Let me know.
Thanks,
Don
I have also sent the info for shipping etc if you could also let me know that would be great.
Sent my info a few days ago... I'm definatly in...
I'll be contacting folks who have confirmed orders in the next day or so with your totals. Materials have been ordered.
For those interested, I have a couple sets not spoken for. Contact me if you're interested.
For those that have placed (read: confirmed) orders, welding begins this weekend. Parts are being picked up today or tomorrow. Email updates will be forthcoming.
Just curious if you recieved my payment yet? If not be sure to let me know and i will use my tracking slip and find out what is up. I was told it would be in your hands by Friday.
You have to refresh my memory on what your real name is.....
I'm interested cause I can't see these stock mounts lasting to long with what I've done. Please PM me with info whenever possible.
Paul- Shoot me an email
cwarren@indy.net
Thanks
You'll have my payment tomorrow, Chuck - I've been at the cottage all week and the info you gave me is on the home PC
*EDIT* I found the info. You have cash. Feel free to package 'em along with that prototype IRS setup I voluteered to test for you :hick:
Steve.. the canadian eh! Thanks Chuck.
Got it today Steve, thanks.
Have any still available? In need of a set.
How long are these to take? Weeks? A month? Just wondering
Sorry, all the mounts in this batch are spoken for.
As far as timeframe goes..the plan is to "keep stock" on a few sets. I'll be doing some more here (as well as some others), but I have no definite schedule as of yet.
Just a little preview.
I mentioned before that the production pieces were going to be different than the prototypes shown earlier, well here's a couple quick pics of the driver upper piece. The bottom will be the same as before.
They were changed to improve fabrication efficiency. Strength should not be an issue though.
From above:
(http://ustio.com/file_dump/chuck/Misc/16000d_1.jpg)
The underside:
(http://ustio.com/file_dump/chuck/Misc/16000d_2.jpg)
I got held up a bit as my anti-splatter stuff did not show up on Fri like it was supposed to and while I could weld them up w/o it, they would be pretty messy. I did go ahead and weld up all those big center tubes and bases though...so that wa fun:hick:
Anyway...
They look like they might even be stronger than the preproduction parts. The way the plate is welded all the way around the center section with the gussets on the bottom looks pretty darn stout. Nice welds too by the way...
Chuck - It looks like I missed the boat on these. I am really interested in a set but I haven't been on the boards in awhile. I would like to know when you are going to do another batch. I will send you a deposit to get in on the next set if you plan on making some more. I have alot of things I need to do to my Bird, including new mounts in the next few months.
Chuck those look ten times stronger than the previous mounts. But how much do they weigh? Looks like they could be pretty hefty.
I haven't weighed them yet. I imagine they'll weigh like the others between 8-10# for the set.
I may add some "lightening" cut-outs in that top plate on successive batches, but not sure yet. It won't make much difference overall though.
I was wondering chuck do those drop the motor at all?
Nope...stock height.
It would be possible to drop them a bit, but I'm not going to get into clearance and driveline alignment issues on every person I sell these too either, so they will be offered as standard only. Custom stuff is always possible.
I was wondering if you had any of the new batch up for sale yet, or what the latest word is, if I can get a set in time to go with my 5.0 conversion, I may just go this route, instead of with the Stang K member.
Price is still 125 plus shipping?
The current batch in process is all spoken for. I did a run and it was low-key. Everyone contacted me directly. I'll be doing more, but not sure of the exact timeframe. If you want to send me an email (cwarren@indy.net) I can contact you when I have more available.
Here's a couple pics of the completed mounts. I made sure I took pics before I got them all boxed up...:hick:
(http://www.turbochuck.com/images/Motor%20Mounts/Type%206/Type%206_1.jpg)
(http://www.turbochuck.com/images/Motor%20Mounts/Type%206/Type%206_2.jpg)
chuck, those look sweet. it almost makes me wish i didnt do the k-member swap. if you get another batch together, put me in for a set for the cougar.
Sweet!
Very nice! I'm looking forward to gettin 'em on the car!
Guess what? I got a package in the mail - it was heavy for such a small box :D
They look nice - can't wait for it to warm up so I can put them on :D
Yeah, they have a little heft to them. Don't drop them on your toes :giggle:
I'm thinking of changing up the material on the big top plates to take a little weight out.
They don't weigh more than the stock units do they?
I only care if they handle the torque from my KB anyway :D
I never weighed the stock ones.
They feel about the same weight as the stockers.....
Just to pop this back to the top.
Other developments have appeared to lead me to look into mounts for the 86-88 3.8's as well.
Primarily for the MN-12 SC's, the change of one piece will adapt them to the Fox cars. The converse should be true in regards to the 5.0 mounts working for the MN-12's with one part changed. It's an assembled part change and not something done during fabrication, so that will make things "easy".
I know the bulk of the 3.8N/A guys will have no desire for these, but they will be available.
Wow. Those look really nice! When I finally break mine, I'll give you a call. Mine are Autozone specials from 5 years ago, or so. I've been surprised that they've held up as long as they have.
Maybe I should consider just ordering a set for WHEN I break mine? :) Send me a PM with price and availability, if you don't mind.
--Ed
I've just been paging back through this thread and find your posts quite funny. This car must be like a fine wine, that just gets more powerful with age! :rollin:
I won't poke too much fun, as your machine is ed respectable no matter how you represent it. :)
--Ed
I've often wondered if I am being consistent in my guesstimates of the torque from this beast. :rollin:
I just upped the boost from 9 to 13 psi and now the torque is one of those numbers for sure! :giggle: :bowdown:
Oh, and this is for you :flip: smartass ;)