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Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 20, 2015, 03:38:23 PM
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/ctd/4817607595.html
Awesome wheels on this "66K" mile car. Rust. What rust?
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: kylesburrell on January 20, 2015, 08:34:25 PM
i dunno she looks kinda rusty to me....and its in chicago, so lots and lots of salt exposure
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Post by: ZondaC12 on January 20, 2015, 10:15:30 PM
Don't let it get away...you need a justification for that tetb-hole shot you put up with last year!!
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Post by: daminc on January 20, 2015, 10:32:35 PM
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don't let it get away...you need a justification for that tetb-hole shot you put up with last year!!

lol
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: Beau on January 20, 2015, 10:43:43 PM
$1,222.00 down????

That's a 650 dollar car...before you haggle 'em down to 450. LOL.

Tell 'em because it's got big ole sections rusted out and gone that it's less car, so it's worth less. And 1994 called...wants the wheels back.
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: MY83T on January 21, 2015, 10:54:57 PM
EDITED: Apology made above, this post was cleaned up to reflect. Please keep the bigotry and religious opinions off this board.
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: MY83T on January 21, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
i thought this might help clear the way to understanding why its an issue....... https://lifeissweet16.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/jew-him-down/
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: Beau on January 21, 2015, 11:40:01 PM
You are absolutely correct David..my apologies. FWIW, it's not something I use with any great frequency...in fact, i honestly don't remember the last time I said the phrase verbally, maybe not ever. Not trying to make myself look for an easy out, off the hook, like, as I've got my own particular quirks about religion, belief, and not being judgmental of others' beliefs. So again, I'm sorry, and i will edit my post accordingly.

Thank you for the beatdown here...I had it coming.
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Post by: MY83T on January 21, 2015, 11:51:09 PM
You know what?  You are a cool guy and gentleman, and i knew in my heart you meant nothing by it.  Its cultural and sometimes an expression has been kicked around so often, that the actual meaning is lost to time.  I figured as much.  No offense taken, thanks for owning it and just saying the right thing.  No more needs to be said about it.  I will share a very quick story though.  When i was in Film school in NYC, i became friendly with a really nice Chinese girl named Mary.  We were walking around Greenwich village on a nice summer night, and for some reason or another i used the word "oriental' in a sentence to describe asians as a group.  I really had no notion of that being offensive in any way, i had never heard that from someone prior.  She stopped me cold in the conversation and said that it was a very derogatory term to Asians and that Chinese or Asian american was preferable.  She was not mad, but i did learn that are many cultural sensitivities that one may not be aware of, especially if you have not been around a particular group of people. I tip my hat, and owe you a hug and beer one day.  (man hug with double pat of course) :-)


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You are absolutely correct David..my apologies. FWIW, it's not something I use with any great frequency...in fact, i honestly don't remember the last time I said the phrase verbally, maybe not ever. Not trying to make myself look for an easy out, off the hook, like, as I've got my own particular quirks about religion, belief, and not being judgmental of others' beliefs. So again, I'm sorry, and i will edit my post accordingly.

Thank you for the beatdown here...I had it coming.
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Post by: ZondaC12 on January 22, 2015, 09:44:08 AM
At the same time, Mel Brooks spent the 1980's making movies poking fun at his own religion/fellow members of the faith/however you want to define the jokes. Which had to have some sort of late-20th century cultural impact.
Hey, if you're gonna laugh at anything or anybody else, gotta be able to laugh at yourself too... :)

I've always wondered just how that particular stereotype arose. Orthodox Judaism represents a very stringent and dedicated adherence to the faith. Priority one. Hasidic Jews being a similar sect? Not sure on that one. But the way I see the world, the way I've experienced the world...it seems to be more and more that everything negative arises from jealously. And I'd be willing to bet that many traditionalist, highly dedicated, reverent Jewish people are also very financially successful because that dedication transcends every activity they put their mind to and they do their job, do it well, 'give the other fella hell'. Armchair quarterbacking rubberneckers see this and just connect the two qualities automatically


By no means am I trying to create an excuse to paint with a broad brush....but it's always pissed me off when people rag on ANYONE for being cheap/stingy/frugal over anything.
Cost should reigns supreme over any important decision. I am disgustingly cheap, I love free broken junk that I can make into something good. I stand by that and I'l NEVER change. I "lost" some "friends" partly due to my behavior and their unwillingness to accept my lifestyle. F them. It's why I don't have to worry about anything, and they continually don't have a pot to piss in. I'd highly recommend my style to anyone. Muslim, Jew, Catholic, Buddhist, Scientologist. Making "something from nothing" or almost nothing is extremely rewarding and gratifying.
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: Beau on January 22, 2015, 12:17:58 PM
Back quite a few years ago when I started down the path I'm on in regards to belief, before I learned to basically keep it to myself, I had several arguments and near physical fights with people who didn't understand and refused to be open-minded enough to at least listen and learn a bit about what I believe in.
The fights nearly came about when some dumbass called me a devil worshiper. Without going into a dogmatic tangent of everything, I'm first and foremost NOT a devil worshiper, or anything along those lines.

Being called names doesn't really bother me...cracker, whitey, redneck, etc.
To some, I can totally understand why it would be offensive...but to me, I've accepted that a lot of people are simply disrespectful and just don't care about anyone other than themselves, so I simply ignore, avoid, or otherwise not put up with those folk.

Some people are sensitive to racial slurs, some aren't...it's best to not say 'em altogether, IMO, and I'm sure there would be no big loss if included religious slurs in that as well.

Anyway, this crazy tangent is all my fault...
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: ZondaC12 on January 22, 2015, 12:51:50 PM
Devil worshipper......I thought that kinda talk ended in the 80's back when people were scared about playing Judas Priest records backwards because it would allegedly play satanic messages LOL
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Post by: Cornfed85 on January 22, 2015, 12:56:24 PM
And it's been blown way out of proportion. Have we nothing better to do than get so upset about a saying that has been said for over a century? I mean, come on, we're all grown men (and women). Let's start acting like it.
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: Beau on January 22, 2015, 02:57:36 PM
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Devil worshipper......I thought that kinda talk ended in the 80's back when people were scared about playing Judas Priest records backwards because it would allegedly play satanic messages LOL

No, that was Chicago, according to Little Nicky. :rollin:
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: mcb82gt on January 22, 2015, 06:46:15 PM
I knew what it meant, and it is used all the time around this part of the country.  Doesnt seem offensive, it has just become part of the normal conversation, when the situation applies.
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Post by: ZondaC12 on January 22, 2015, 09:12:37 PM
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No, that was Chicago, according to Little Nicky. :rollin:

Pffff lol. I don't think I ever saw that movie actually.
Speaking of funny things and Chicago the city, I did not notice the "1222 down" at first. Wow. That car lot must have just fallen into possession of it from a friend/family member. Who the hell would buy something this rotten to try and flip...
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 27, 2015, 02:36:04 PM
How far down the food chain do you have to fall that your best option is a rusty 31 year old car that you have to put $1222 down on and make payments?
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: Vintage on January 28, 2015, 08:23:16 AM
(Edited to reflect apology above)...

So let me get this straight.  In order to make your point about taking offense to a religous slight... you then proceed to include not one but two "f"bombs AND a "gd" ??

 Seriously??? 

You might want to consider how easily someone else might put your name in place of Mr. Johnsons in the last sentence you wrote above.

 I smell a teachable moment. Take a refresher read on the definitions of hypocrisy, irony, graciousness,  blasphemy and etiquette and then come back here.    You'll know what to do.
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: MY83T on January 28, 2015, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: Vintage;443543
(Edited to reflect apology above)...

So let me get this straight.  In order to make your point about taking offense to a religous slight... you then proceed to include not one but two "f"bombs AND a "gd" ??

 Seriously??? 

You might want to consider how easily someone else might put your name in place of Mr. Johnsons in the last sentence you wrote above.

 I smell a teachable moment. Take a refresher read on the definitions of hypocrisy, irony, graciousness,  blasphemy and etiquette and then come back here.    You'll know what to do.
I will try very hard to reply in a calm and courteous manner here.  I will make several points to you, all of which have nothing to do with the original comments made by myself and Beau.... (Thunderbirdsport302).

1. Beau and I know each other on this message board for many years.  We have bantered about all things Fox and have always had a pleasant energy between us. 
2. If you read my posts you would have seen that i gave him the benefit of the doubt as to his intent from my first comments.  I never accused anyone of hurtful or malicious intent. 
3. I tried by citing examples (not my words on post # 6 i straight copied and pasted commentary about the congressman and his behavior.) Those were not my words, and was merely attempting to illustrate how the term used was construed by others.  We are all adults here, and the expletives were not leveled at the OP or anyone here.  They were summing up another persons feelings about the Congressmans hurtful comments.  To my knowledge i don't think anyones kids read through these threads.
4. The comments were answered by and apologized for as i knew they would be, because he is a great guy and a stand-up person.
5. I gracefully accepted the apology and promptly let him off the hook as i knew there was zero intent to inflame, insult or injure anyone.
6. I pm'ed him as well to thank him for being so cool about it.
7. If you scroll through the posts after his apology and my acceptance, did you see the lack of continuance of said issue?  That is because the matter was settled and buried in my opinion. 
8. I would gently suggest to you, since i do not know you at all, that before you throw around judgement of others on a message board where you have a post count of 8, maybe observe, look around even ask about people before you are so quick to judge me or my comments.  I am a 46 year old man, who has always travelled a moral course, and taken the high road whenever possible.  I certainly do not need lessons on said items least of all from you.
By the way, my name is David, i have been a contributing member here for many years.  I have always sought to help others, make friends and stick up for people when i felt the moment dictated.  That is from following my moral center. 
9. I will try and give you the benefit of the doubt, that perhaps you just did not read through all of the commentary and were quick to judge.  I stand by my comments, and i can speak for Beau that he stands by his apology/retraction.  Im not sure what you hope to achieve here other than inflame or incite. 
Thanks for reading this to the end.
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: Beau on January 28, 2015, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: Vintage;443543
(Edited to reflect apology above)...

So let me get this straight.  In order to make your point about taking offense to a religous slight... you then proceed to include not one but two "f"bombs AND a "gd" ??

 Seriously??? 

You might want to consider how easily someone else might put your name in place of Mr. Johnsons in the last sentence you wrote above.

 I smell a teachable moment. Take a refresher read on the definitions of hypocrisy, irony, graciousness,  blasphemy and etiquette and then come back here.    You'll know what to do.




LOL. Who in the hell are you?

You've got 8 posts in 4 and half years and you think you know us?


I'm gonna be nice here, and simply say that what I said wasn't thought out, typed out, or bore any malicious intent or was intended as any kind of religious insult.
So..why are you kicking THIS up? Did I harm you in a past life? Dog eat your breakfast? Shart in your BVD's this morning?

Thank you for the backup..but, I'm a big boy, so no thanks. I can handle my own, and he and I settled whatever it was between us...like adults. Which is more than what I can say for the reply YOU made.

Now...shall we be adults again? Please? I'm even asking nicely, and anyone here knows I never do that shiznit. ;)
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: 1Bad88tbird on January 28, 2015, 11:40:07 AM
Some people just love drama. If there isn't any they find a way to start it. Dave and Beau took care of the issue and it was done. Why does it have to get stirred up again?
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: Vintage on January 28, 2015, 01:11:05 PM
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I will try very hard to reply in a calm and courteous manner here. 
Thanks for reading this to the end.


I can certainly appreciate a calm and measured response, but in reading yours it quickly became obvious by the points you enumerated that you missed the point wholly.

One of the points being that what you took the time to write, cite or quote would be to some,  as bad or worse than what you took exception to originally. I did not judge you.  I judged what was written to be offensive and quite frankly, unneeded. Which it is. Not one thing in your response to me changes that. As a practicing Christian I dont see the need for it and since neither of us can know for certain whether kids, clergy or anyone else might be reading this, its probably a good idea to keep it clean if for nothing else for appearances sake.

Which brings us to the other point, appearances.  In attempting to deflect and back pedal your way out of owning up to your error in judgement by trying to pull rank with age, history on the site, relationship with other poster, and other irrelevant mentions...you went out of your way to make yourself appear to be doubling down on poor judgement and self buttstuffysis of what you wrote. Not how I'd play it, but it is revealing.

ThunderbirdSport302 I appreciate your friendship with MY83T and the understanding you came to after apologizing, but I reference and read more than I comment on this board and simply dont think it helps the board or anyone here to make it offensive for readers to do that. For the same reasons you wouldnt tell MY83T that its a public board he can eitber deal with your remarks or leave..you should understand why I'd rather make it better for everybody.  This goes double for the other poster commenting about drama. Grow up.
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: MY83T on January 28, 2015, 03:00:00 PM
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I can certainly appreciate a calm and measured response, but in reading yours it quickly became obvious by the points you enumerated that you missed the point wholly.

One of the points being that what you took the time to write, cite or quote would be to some,  as bad or worse than what you took exception to originally. I did not judge you.  I judged what was written to be offensive and quite frankly, unneeded. Which it is. Not one thing in your response to me changes that. As a practicing Christian I dont see the need for it and since neither of us can know for certain whether kids, clergy or anyone else might be reading this, its probably a good idea to keep it clean if for nothing else for appearances sake.

Which brings us to the other point, appearances.  In attempting to deflect and back pedal your way out of owning up to your error in judgement by trying to pull rank with age, history on the site, relationship with other poster, and other irrelevant mentions...you went out of your way to make yourself appear to be doubling down on poor judgement and self buttstuffysis of what you wrote. Not how I'd play it, but it is revealing.

ThunderbirdSport302 I appreciate your friendship with MY83T and the understanding you came to after apologizing, but I reference and read more than I comment on this board and simply dont think it helps the board or anyone here to make it offensive for readers to do that. For the same reasons you wouldnt tell MY83T that its a public board he can eitber deal with your remarks or leave..you should understand why I'd rather make it better for everybody.  This goes double for the other poster commenting about drama. Grow up.

I do not think i missed the point at all actually and i am not trying to be difficult here.  There is absolutely no comparison between a racial/religious slur (however unintentional) and some foul language that attempted to bring home the point of how touchy a subject this can be.  This was not using off color language for its own sake, and as stated previously was not my own words.  I don't use that kind of language typically and never use it here.  Using a swear word in context is not in the same galaxy as smearing someone for their religious or ethnic background, and that i actually do take exception to.  I am unaware of any clergy that are members here, but i would rather think if there were any the offense they would take would be based upon the original thought of not calling into question anyones character based upon religion or ethnicity. Not for a some ugly words that were cited to try to explain the real point at hand.  On the eve of the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auchwitz concentration camp, there has never been a better time to reflect on hate speech and ugly words.  I lost family to the holocaust, and personally know several survivors who have shared their 1st hand accounts with me.  I will deem when and how to make a point to ensure that this kind of thing never gets off the ground again.  Its starts with words, it always does........ i was not hiding, nor was i trying to.  I tried very hard to courteously address your comments, of which we can just agree to disagree.  This forum has never needed the morality police, as we are all grown men wearing our big boy underwear.  In the years i have been on here, i have rarely seen a situation where two adults could not hash out a disagreement.  If the bad words were upsetting to you, i personally apologize to you for offending your sensibilities.  I do not, however apologize for the point i tried to bring home, choice of language copied and pasted aside.  In summary this is how i perceive this discussion:

1. Beau made a comment
2. I pointed out to Beau he hurt my feelings
3. Beau said he was sorry
4. I accepted his apology
5. I got called out for some cuss words that offended someone else
6. I said i am sorry

Can we talk about the py, rusty overpriced hunk of  for sale in this thread now?

Pleasant day.....

David
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Post by: V8Demon on January 28, 2015, 03:36:52 PM
I read this as it unfolded.  It was handled well on BOTH sides.  No further commentary concerning that subject was needed. 

Don't feed the trolls guys.
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: MY83T on January 28, 2015, 03:55:28 PM
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I read this as it unfolded.  It was handled well on BOTH sides.  No further commentary concerning that subject was needed. 

Don't feed the trolls guys.

Paul could you explain that further?  :-)
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: V8Demon on January 28, 2015, 04:01:39 PM
Yeah, that car needs some WORK!
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Post by: MY83T on January 28, 2015, 04:04:09 PM
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Yeah, that car needs some WORK!

Yeah its a crusty pile of overpriced crud.  I think i should buy it just because.
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Post by: 1Bad88tbird on January 28, 2015, 04:42:03 PM
lol!!!
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Post by: Vintage on January 28, 2015, 04:45:58 PM
All good here MY83T, I appreciate it and do respect the sentiments you alluded to.  We all slip up.  And thanks to Eric for cleaning up, appreciate it.
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Post by: MY83T on January 28, 2015, 04:58:03 PM
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All good here MY83T, I appreciate it and do respect the sentiments you alluded to.  We all slip up.  And thanks to Eric for cleaning up, appreciate it.

Cheers, pal....all good, how about that crusty white ball of Fox goodness for the low price of $1222?
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 28, 2015, 05:00:02 PM
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Cheers, pal....all good, how about that crusty white ball of Fox goodness for the low price of $1222?

$1222 DOWN + payments :hick:
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: MY83T on January 28, 2015, 05:03:51 PM
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$1222 DOWN + payments :hick:

ok, you drive a hard bargain......$1222 down and $1222 a month till its paid off.  Throw in the rust for free?
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: V8Demon on January 28, 2015, 06:06:14 PM
(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/2/Open/Sony%20Pictures/Used%20Cars/_derived_jpg_q90_600x800_m0/UsedCars-Still4.jpg?partner=allmovie_soap)
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 28, 2015, 06:18:53 PM
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ok, you drive a hard bargain......$1222 down and $1222 a month till its paid off.  Throw in the rust for free?

At 14% for 60 months sure :mullet:
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: 1Bad88tbird on January 28, 2015, 08:26:57 PM
Haha! I've not seen that movie for a long time!!!! I actually have it on dvd. lol
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Post by: Vintage on January 28, 2015, 08:35:35 PM
I just looked at it again, and Im sure the underside is crusty and the bottom of both doors is missing...But its kinda amazing it doesnt have any more rust under the back window by the trunk then it does.  By this time, most of the ones I happen across have it there bad.
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Post by: MY83T on January 28, 2015, 09:55:23 PM
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I just looked at it again, and Im sure the underside is crusty and the bottom of both doors is missing...But its kinda amazing it doesnt have any more rust under the back window by the trunk then it does.  By this time, most of the ones I happen across have it there bad.

Its a fox, and its always crusty in the same spots.  I would be shocked if the underside of the metal inside the trunk below the window was not rusty.  I have that in one corner of my 87 Cougar.  No exterior sign of rust, but a rotted spot on the inside.  piss poor design in that area, i doubt they expected any of these cars to be road worthy 30+ years later.
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 28, 2015, 10:23:01 PM
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Its a fox, and its always crusty in the same spots.  I would be shocked if the underside of the metal inside the trunk below the window was not rusty.  I have that in one corner of my 87 Cougar.  No exterior sign of rust, but a rotted spot on the inside.  piss poor design in that area, i doubt they expected any of these cars to be road worthy 30+ years later.

That seems to be a Cougar weak point. My Thunderbird is like new in that area.
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Post by: ZondaC12 on January 29, 2015, 01:36:05 PM
People tell me they're impressed by how clean/rust-free my cars are.
I sit there and enjoy the praise, basking in the "whole picture"....while simultaneously being aggravated mentally, knowing the existence of all of the hidden rust. Small, miniscule? Sure. But existent.
Title: Who wants this awesome 84 Thunderbird?
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 29, 2015, 02:18:10 PM
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People tell me they're impressed by how clean/rust-free my cars are.
I sit there and enjoy the praise, basking in the "whole picture"....while simultaneously being aggravated mentally, knowing the existence of all of the hidden rust. Small, miniscule? Sure. But existent.

Fix the hidden rust. Problem solved ;).
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Post by: ZondaC12 on January 29, 2015, 05:59:33 PM
In time, in time.
Some of it just isn't worth the cost though. Like what's inside the red car's rear subframe. No structural issues...but I know it's there because I've pointed a flashlight, etc. None of my "toys" ever get wet for any reason,

X
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Post by: Beau on January 29, 2015, 11:23:16 PM
Quote from: ZondaC12;443649
None of my "toys" ever get wet for any reason,

X


I uhhh...don't really know what to say to this.....I'm sorry, maybe...?



LOL!
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Post by: ZondaC12 on January 30, 2015, 12:58:31 PM
Send your condolences to the owners of the golf course they actually blew up to make that movie! :rollin: