Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: M-train on January 14, 2015, 04:22:49 PM
Post by: M-train on January 14, 2015, 04:22:49 PM
My 37 year old son is needing a new car soon, and I've been looking into the MK Vlll for him.
He owns an old 01 Honda Accord which runs fine, but the problems with these cars is the transmissions going out, and his is.
Anyway, I'm a wrencher, and I know the fallacy in the belief of the reliability of the big three of imports. I could give you all specific examples like the Honda transmissions, but they are just too many to list. Not to mention the cost of parts for imports.
I have heard that the 95-98 Lincolns with the DOHC engines have a good rep for longevity. I also know from my hot rodding hobby that these Lincolns have one of the best OD transmissions Ford ever made the 4R70W [the best, last upgraded came out in 99/00].
Oh, and the other thing is that you can find one of these cars [and I really like the body style, as its a little more sporty than the 4 door grandpa cars] usually they are well taken care of, usually have low miles [grandma only drove it to bingo, and just passed away], and you can buy them for a song vs import cars.
But, I want fist hand knowledge of what the major problems [if any], that these cars seem to have.
He owns an old 01 Honda Accord which runs fine, but the problems with these cars is the transmissions going out, and his is.
Anyway, I'm a wrencher, and I know the fallacy in the belief of the reliability of the big three of imports. I could give you all specific examples like the Honda transmissions, but they are just too many to list. Not to mention the cost of parts for imports.
I have heard that the 95-98 Lincolns with the DOHC engines have a good rep for longevity. I also know from my hot rodding hobby that these Lincolns have one of the best OD transmissions Ford ever made the 4R70W [the best, last upgraded came out in 99/00].
Oh, and the other thing is that you can find one of these cars [and I really like the body style, as its a little more sporty than the 4 door grandpa cars] usually they are well taken care of, usually have low miles [grandma only drove it to bingo, and just passed away], and you can buy them for a song vs import cars.
But, I want fist hand knowledge of what the major problems [if any], that these cars seem to have.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Haystack on January 14, 2015, 04:29:37 PM
Post by: Haystack on January 14, 2015, 04:29:37 PM
Throw a stick shift in the Honda.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Cougars 2 go on January 14, 2015, 04:34:06 PM
Post by: Cougars 2 go on January 14, 2015, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: M-train;442893
But, I want fist hand knowledge of what the major problems [if any], that these cars seem to have.
The problems in those cars tend to be focused on the area between the front bumper and the rear bumper. Address that spot and you're good to go.
I'd like to find my thread or post with the list of problems but I think that post was back in 2003 or 2004 or sometime around then. My Mark was a '96. Great concept/design, poor execution. The drivetrain should stay intact but I wouldn't risk the rest. Those cars aren't durable enough to be daily drivers. I like them and may have another one day but it will be a Sunday/limited driver only.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: mark007 on January 14, 2015, 05:27:27 PM
Post by: mark007 on January 14, 2015, 05:27:27 PM
Quote from: Cougars 2 go;442895
The problems in those cars tend to be focused on the area between the front bumper and the rear bumper. Address that spot and you're good to go.
I'd like to find my thread or post with the list of problems but I think that post was back in 2003 or 2004 or sometime around then. My Mark was a '96. Great concept/design, poor execution. The drivetrain should stay intact but I wouldn't risk the rest. Those cars aren't durable enough to be daily drivers. I like them and may have another one day but it will be a Sunday/limited driver only.
Sent a pm your way a couple of days ago. Just seeing if you happened to have seen it?
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: jandmmustangs on January 14, 2015, 06:09:04 PM
Post by: jandmmustangs on January 14, 2015, 06:09:04 PM
Quote from: Cougars 2 go;442895
The problems in those cars tend to be focused on the area between the front bumper and the rear bumper. Address that spot and you're good to go.
I'd like to find my thread or post with the list of problems but I think that post was back in 2003 or 2004 or sometime around then. My Mark was a '96. Great concept/design, poor execution. The drivetrain should stay intact but I wouldn't risk the rest. Those cars aren't durable enough to be daily drivers. I like them and may have another one day but it will be a Sunday/limited driver only.
This!!!
Great design, poor execution!!!!
That aside, parts are somewhat hard to find. If you don't understand how the air ride works and how to repair it repairs can be costly. The transmission is still a weak point without the j mod. Timing chains, guides, and tensioners are a little spendy and the labor to install them is disgusting if you can't do it yourself. Oh yeah, the hid headlights are tough to find in good shape as are the regular lights. The neon rear filler panels are on par with 99/01 cobra tail lights price wise.
Should I go on?
Dare to be different tho. You can convert them to stick, slap an 03/04 cobra engine in one and upgrade the irs....
And yes there were a few verts made during the production run
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: M-train on January 14, 2015, 06:29:25 PM
Post by: M-train on January 14, 2015, 06:29:25 PM
Thanks for the replies. From what you all have said I don't think I will be steering him towards the MK Vlll.
I've been selling used cars from the big three imports, and from about 2000 on, give or take a year, there are problems that would keep me from recommending any of them.
I'll give you a little taste of what I have found first hand.
Nissan Altima 02-06 engine failures on the early years due to pre cat problem both engines. Problems with both 4 cyl, and V6 on the timing chain guides failing, valve cover PCV design problem early cars, ALL auto trans are junk. BOTH engines are VERY hard to work on due to the timing cover being very close to the frame. I usually just pull the engines to get to the timing chains. Alternators on the 4 cyl's have a clutch pulley that can/will go bad before the alternator itself.
Honda, transmission filter inside the trans, which is unserviceable unless the trans is pulled out/torn down. Electrical problem [Honda's answer to Nissans clutch pulley alt] with a fuse box that contains a switch that shuts down the alt [can't just buy the faulty switch, but the whole box at $250]. CV joints regularly go out.
Toyota Camry ignition switch problems, bad throttle bodies, bad auto transmissions. Sludge problems in the engines, bad cats like the Nissans.
So, I believe I will look at imports built around the mid 90's as these don't seem to have the issues the newer cars have.
IMO, I think the newer cars have so many issues as they try to meet epa mandated fuel economy [see Nissan, alternator clutch, recommending engine oil with too low weight], not to mention security devices that can lock the cars down so that it has to be taken to a dealer for a reflash of the ecu.
Overall, the newer cars are just too complicated. Too many systems, and subsystems to fail. Anyway, thats JMO...............thanks for the replies.
I've been selling used cars from the big three imports, and from about 2000 on, give or take a year, there are problems that would keep me from recommending any of them.
I'll give you a little taste of what I have found first hand.
Nissan Altima 02-06 engine failures on the early years due to pre cat problem both engines. Problems with both 4 cyl, and V6 on the timing chain guides failing, valve cover PCV design problem early cars, ALL auto trans are junk. BOTH engines are VERY hard to work on due to the timing cover being very close to the frame. I usually just pull the engines to get to the timing chains. Alternators on the 4 cyl's have a clutch pulley that can/will go bad before the alternator itself.
Honda, transmission filter inside the trans, which is unserviceable unless the trans is pulled out/torn down. Electrical problem [Honda's answer to Nissans clutch pulley alt] with a fuse box that contains a switch that shuts down the alt [can't just buy the faulty switch, but the whole box at $250]. CV joints regularly go out.
Toyota Camry ignition switch problems, bad throttle bodies, bad auto transmissions. Sludge problems in the engines, bad cats like the Nissans.
So, I believe I will look at imports built around the mid 90's as these don't seem to have the issues the newer cars have.
IMO, I think the newer cars have so many issues as they try to meet epa mandated fuel economy [see Nissan, alternator clutch, recommending engine oil with too low weight], not to mention security devices that can lock the cars down so that it has to be taken to a dealer for a reflash of the ecu.
Overall, the newer cars are just too complicated. Too many systems, and subsystems to fail. Anyway, thats JMO...............thanks for the replies.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Beau on January 14, 2015, 06:41:37 PM
Post by: Beau on January 14, 2015, 06:41:37 PM
LOL, the air ride stuff isn't that bad...nor costly, unless you make it so.
Other than that I don't have a lot of experience with the Mark Viii, longevity wise.
OP, LincolnsOnline might be a good source for more detailed info.
And I wouldn't throw a stick shift in the honda, but i would throw a frag grenade. If someone would only lend me their Honda, and grenade, I would. ;)
Other than that I don't have a lot of experience with the Mark Viii, longevity wise.
OP, LincolnsOnline might be a good source for more detailed info.
And I wouldn't throw a stick shift in the honda, but i would throw a frag grenade. If someone would only lend me their Honda, and grenade, I would. ;)
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: jandmmustangs on January 14, 2015, 06:42:58 PM
Post by: jandmmustangs on January 14, 2015, 06:42:58 PM
The newer cars aren't too bad once you learn how to diagnose and work on them. I picked up a 2006 fusion SEL 4cyl 5 speed manual back in December for $6600 out the door with a 3 year 36000 power train warranty. The dealer couldn't give it away because it was stick. The car has 72000 on it and came with all the service records.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Beau on January 14, 2015, 06:44:37 PM
Post by: Beau on January 14, 2015, 06:44:37 PM
It's also hard not to look at a late 80's Tbird, Cougar, Mustang, or mid-late 90's explore, mountaineer if passengers are frequent, and fuel mileage isn't a concern. Of course, if it's man made, man can also f*ck something up, either in the assembly, design, materials, or maintenance of the finished result. Good luck!
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: jandmmustangs on January 14, 2015, 06:47:49 PM
Post by: jandmmustangs on January 14, 2015, 06:47:49 PM
The air ride is easy and not costly if you can DIY.
EDIT on my above post...
Newer cars aren't to bad to work on with a good scan tool. A cheap scanner won't help much. I just broke down and bought a solus ultra. No more keys woot woot.
EDIT on my above post...
Newer cars aren't to bad to work on with a good scan tool. A cheap scanner won't help much. I just broke down and bought a solus ultra. No more keys woot woot.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: jandmmustangs on January 14, 2015, 06:52:53 PM
Post by: jandmmustangs on January 14, 2015, 06:52:53 PM
Hell, just have him buy one of these. About as simple as they come....
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(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o569/JustinGehret/image-83.jpg) (http://s1148.photobucket.com/user/JustinGehret/media/image-83.jpg.html)
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: V8Demon on January 14, 2015, 07:57:39 PM
Post by: V8Demon on January 14, 2015, 07:57:39 PM
We could sit here and type 4000 pages on every car in creation and how each and every single one of them has some inherent flaw in stock form that needs addressing.
Most reliable/trouble free car I ever owned? 2000 Mercury Cougar V6 with auto transmission. Bought new and put 135K miles on it before the transmission finally went. Economically it wasn't worth fixing so I donated it. Still had first and second, but $2000 for a new trans on a car worth MAYBE $3000 just wan't worth it for a commuter that saw 80 miles a day and we wanted a car that was covered under warranty so off she went. Other than that I replaced the front wheel hub bearings at 75K. No other issues other than routine maintenance. Motor ran strong (although they needed more torque in the low RPM range, lol).
Our Focus has been good to us so far in replacing the Cougar, but at slightly over 30K, it's hard to tell how she'll fare long term.
Thought about maybe a low mileage panther platform at all?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Crown-Victoria-LX-GREAT-LOW-MILES-2005-ford-lx-great-low-miles-/191331995831?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c8c4690b7&item=191331995831&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Crown-Victoria-Only-45-771-Amazing-Low-Miles-2005-ford-only-45-771-amazing-low-miles-/191459334488?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c93dd9958&item=191459334488&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Crown-Victoria-4dr-Sdn-Stre-Silver-P71-Ex-Police-47k-Miles-Cruise-Pw-Pl-Psts-Nice-/111574204397?forcerrptr=true&hash=item19fa573fed&item=111574204397&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
What's your price ceiling and what are the absolute "must haves?"
Most reliable/trouble free car I ever owned? 2000 Mercury Cougar V6 with auto transmission. Bought new and put 135K miles on it before the transmission finally went. Economically it wasn't worth fixing so I donated it. Still had first and second, but $2000 for a new trans on a car worth MAYBE $3000 just wan't worth it for a commuter that saw 80 miles a day and we wanted a car that was covered under warranty so off she went. Other than that I replaced the front wheel hub bearings at 75K. No other issues other than routine maintenance. Motor ran strong (although they needed more torque in the low RPM range, lol).
Our Focus has been good to us so far in replacing the Cougar, but at slightly over 30K, it's hard to tell how she'll fare long term.
Thought about maybe a low mileage panther platform at all?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Crown-Victoria-LX-GREAT-LOW-MILES-2005-ford-lx-great-low-miles-/191331995831?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c8c4690b7&item=191331995831&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Crown-Victoria-Only-45-771-Amazing-Low-Miles-2005-ford-only-45-771-amazing-low-miles-/191459334488?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c93dd9958&item=191459334488&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Crown-Victoria-4dr-Sdn-Stre-Silver-P71-Ex-Police-47k-Miles-Cruise-Pw-Pl-Psts-Nice-/111574204397?forcerrptr=true&hash=item19fa573fed&item=111574204397&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
What's your price ceiling and what are the absolute "must haves?"
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Haystack on January 14, 2015, 09:48:47 PM
Post by: Haystack on January 14, 2015, 09:48:47 PM
Get hit a miata, unless he is tall. Easy to work on, fairly reliable, good gas mileage, and a bit more "sporty". Unless you need a back seat.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Beau on January 14, 2015, 10:00:07 PM
Post by: Beau on January 14, 2015, 10:00:07 PM
No Jeep stuff of any kind.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: M-train on January 14, 2015, 11:14:40 PM
Post by: M-train on January 14, 2015, 11:14:40 PM
As far as the stuff I have personally worked on I like the mid nineties Camry.
It was simple enough to fix with out having to take to the dealer, parts weren't too expensive, and it would go anywhere. We had one that lasted nearly 300k until an old lady going to a birthday party killed it.
IMO early fuel injected cars would be my bet for reliability. The technology had to be simple enough so that factory techs could understand, and work on them, and not complicated enough so that parts failed frequently.
It was simple enough to fix with out having to take to the dealer, parts weren't too expensive, and it would go anywhere. We had one that lasted nearly 300k until an old lady going to a birthday party killed it.
IMO early fuel injected cars would be my bet for reliability. The technology had to be simple enough so that factory techs could understand, and work on them, and not complicated enough so that parts failed frequently.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Cornfed85 on January 14, 2015, 11:38:39 PM
Post by: Cornfed85 on January 14, 2015, 11:38:39 PM
I know I'm going to get some flack for this, but don't rule out other modern US cars. My daily driver is a 2005 Pontiac G6. Engine still runs like new with 152,000 miles. I haven't had hardly any issues with it. You can pick them up these days for $3-5k.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: CoogarXR on January 15, 2015, 02:47:35 PM
Post by: CoogarXR on January 15, 2015, 02:47:35 PM
I had a 1993 Mark VIII. The little onboard computer would be listing faults for half my trip: "BEEP! Door Ajar BEEP! Trunk Ajar BEEP! Coolant Low BEEP! Air Ride Fault BEEP! Washer Fluid Low" and on and on. None of those things were actually wrong (except the air ride), just bad sensors/electronics. It was fun and fast, but to say it was high-maintenance would be an understatement. By the time I got rid of it, I think the drivetrain was the only thing left that still functioned properly.
My two most reliable vehicles: My good 'ol 1983 Cougar 5.0. I ran that thing to pieces, literally. I bought it with 62k miles, I sold it with about 170k. I only got rid of it because it was about rusted in half, lol. Thanks Ohio! My second favorite is a tie between a couple Chevy Astro vans I have had. They last forever. I have had about 7 of them in my life, 4 of which had nearly 300k miles. Again, I only got rid of them for the severe rust that comes with driving around here.
My two most reliable vehicles: My good 'ol 1983 Cougar 5.0. I ran that thing to pieces, literally. I bought it with 62k miles, I sold it with about 170k. I only got rid of it because it was about rusted in half, lol. Thanks Ohio! My second favorite is a tie between a couple Chevy Astro vans I have had. They last forever. I have had about 7 of them in my life, 4 of which had nearly 300k miles. Again, I only got rid of them for the severe rust that comes with driving around here.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 15, 2015, 04:35:34 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 15, 2015, 04:35:34 PM
I know I'll get flamed for this but here it goes: can he buy a new car? Like brand new? I know it's not possible for some people but if you can it's the best way to go. Here's my reasoning:
Yes you'll need a down payment and have a monthly payment for 4-5 years but you get a car that's new. If it has problems it will be under warranty and fixed for free. Plus if you buy it new you'll know the maintenance history of the car from day one. Now this only makes sense if you plan on buying the car and keeping it till the wheels fall off, which is what my family usually does (ie 10-15 years). If one keeps buying $4000 used cars every two years after 10 years they have spent $20000. Buy a $20000 car and after 10 years you've spent the same amount of money and put 5 years worth of payments in the bank (based on a 5 year loan) giving you a nice down payment on a new car or the ability to buy it for cash outright.
Of course this doesn't work in every situation but if he can swing buying a new car then I would go for it. A 20ish year old car is going to need work and not be the most reliable thing as a daily driver.
Yes you'll need a down payment and have a monthly payment for 4-5 years but you get a car that's new. If it has problems it will be under warranty and fixed for free. Plus if you buy it new you'll know the maintenance history of the car from day one. Now this only makes sense if you plan on buying the car and keeping it till the wheels fall off, which is what my family usually does (ie 10-15 years). If one keeps buying $4000 used cars every two years after 10 years they have spent $20000. Buy a $20000 car and after 10 years you've spent the same amount of money and put 5 years worth of payments in the bank (based on a 5 year loan) giving you a nice down payment on a new car or the ability to buy it for cash outright.
Of course this doesn't work in every situation but if he can swing buying a new car then I would go for it. A 20ish year old car is going to need work and not be the most reliable thing as a daily driver.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: M-train on January 15, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Post by: M-train on January 15, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;442952
I know I'll get flamed for this but here it goes: can he buy a new car? Like brand new? I know it's not possible for some people but if you can it's the best way to go. Here's my reasoning:
Yes you'll need a down payment and have a monthly payment for 4-5 years but you get a car that's new. If it has problems it will be under warranty and fixed for free. Plus if you buy it new you'll know the maintenance history of the car from day one. Now this only makes sense if you plan on buying the car and keeping it till the wheels fall off, which is what my family usually does (ie 10-15 years). If one keeps buying $4000 used cars every two years after 10 years they have spent $20000. Buy a $20000 car and after 10 years you've spent the same amount of money and put 5 years worth of payments in the bank (based on a 5 year loan) giving you a nice down payment on a new car or the ability to buy it for cash outright.
Of course this doesn't work in every situation but if he can swing buying a new car then I would go for it. A 20ish year old car is going to need work and not be the most reliable thing as a daily driver.
I believe buying a new car is possibly the worst thing a young person can do. There are soooo many older used cars that for whatever reason have very low miles.
Like someone said, there are always going to be faults with anything that is man made, but some faults are more easily corrected than others, like the time bomb auto trannys on the early 00 Accords, and on my 05 Altima SE-R [however, I rebuilt this transmission and added an external cooler, and external filter].
If you look you can find loads of low mile 90's Honda's, Toyotas, and Nissan's out there for which, depending on the miles they have, they are pretty much a new car. I bought an 86 SVO Mustang back in 2005 that only had 15k miles on it. The car still smelled new inside. [don't get me wrong, stay away from low mile collectable cars as they are NOT cheap, vs a low mile older Honda.]
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 15, 2015, 07:17:49 PM
Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 15, 2015, 07:17:49 PM
Quote from: M-train;442906
Overall, the newer cars are just too complicated. Too many systems, and subsystems to fail. Anyway, thats JMO...............thanks for the replies.
If complexity is scaring you away from newer cars, I'd recommend staying the hell away from a Mark VIII!!!
If you're looking for something dead-nuts reliable and still has a certain coolness factor to it, look for an 03-up Crown Vic or Grandma Marquis. They are tanks. Probably the most reliable, longest lasting car built by anyone in the past 30 years. I've seen many with over a million miles on 'em (taxi cabs), and they are built to take a beating (cop cars). Try to steer clear of an actual ex-cop-car though, as it will have lived a very hard life.
I wouldn't rule out a new car either. Yes, a new car is a horrible investment, but you are paying for peace of mind, not to mention modern amenities, fuel economy and safety gear. Plus it helps build credit, and there are plenty of options out there for under $200/month. Unless he puts a bunch of miles on, even a lease might make sense - he can walk away from it after three years, or he can hand in the keys, grab a brand new car, and drive away with the same payment...
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: EricCoolCats on January 15, 2015, 07:44:15 PM
Post by: EricCoolCats on January 15, 2015, 07:44:15 PM
Have to say, after experience with them and also knowing so many people that own them, the Fusion is a heck of a car for the money. Or Milan or MKZ/Zephyr, whatever your flavor is. Pretty dependable, decent at everything. Just throwing it out there.
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Post by: mcb82gt on January 15, 2015, 08:27:28 PM
Post by: mcb82gt on January 15, 2015, 08:27:28 PM
I think the Mark VIII is a nice looking car with a good drive train. As used and old as they are now, I wouldnt go near them. Lincolns have too many fancy electrical features and other "high" end things of the time to fail. Not the drivetrain, but all the other things that go with it, and all the electric creature comforts.
For my kids, I prefer what Im familar with, cause Ill be the one working on it. What are you familiar with, and go with that.
For me its Fox body era, 79-88 cars.... Mustangs Cougars Tbirds, Bronoco, F150. I am pretty good with 90-06 Silverados too. Good trucks.
For my kids, I prefer what Im familar with, cause Ill be the one working on it. What are you familiar with, and go with that.
For me its Fox body era, 79-88 cars.... Mustangs Cougars Tbirds, Bronoco, F150. I am pretty good with 90-06 Silverados too. Good trucks.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: M-train on January 16, 2015, 05:31:47 PM
Post by: M-train on January 16, 2015, 05:31:47 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;442962
If complexity is scaring you away from newer cars, I'd recommend staying the hell away from a Mark VIII!!!
If you're looking for something dead-nuts reliable and still has a certain coolness factor to it, look for an 03-up Crown Vic or Grandma Marquis. They are tanks. Probably the most reliable, longest lasting car built by anyone in the past 30 years. I've seen many with over a million miles on 'em (taxi cabs), and they are built to take a beating (cop cars). Try to steer clear of an actual ex-cop-car though, as it will have lived a very hard life.
I wouldn't rule out a new car either. Yes, a new car is a horrible investment, but you are paying for peace of mind, not to mention modern amenities, fuel economy and safety gear. Plus it helps build credit, and there are plenty of options out there for under $200/month. Unless he puts a bunch of miles on, even a lease might make sense - he can walk away from it after three years, or he can hand in the keys, grab a brand new car, and drive away with the same payment...
Actually I have heard that about the Crown Vic's reliability so that may be the way to go. I've been a Ford guy all of my life until just a few years ago when I bought my first Camry [used 95] so I might do a little research on that car.
Anything that comes to mind about the Crown Vic's, I'm not talking about trivial things like bad door handles, but bigger issues like ECU problems. I know from being in hot rodding that the engine is fine as well as the 4r75w trans, so that is a plus.
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Post by: M-train on January 16, 2015, 07:09:01 PM
Post by: M-train on January 16, 2015, 07:09:01 PM
Question, when I worked at Homeland Security back in the early 2000's, they had a fleet of Crown Vic's that had the DOHC engine, and aluminum driveshaft.
After doing a little looking on the net, I can't find any CV's that had this engine. I know it was a DOHC as I saw it with my own eyes so know its not an urban legand. Is there a special trim letters that the CV had to denote the DOHC engine?
After doing a little looking on the net, I can't find any CV's that had this engine. I know it was a DOHC as I saw it with my own eyes so know its not an urban legand. Is there a special trim letters that the CV had to denote the DOHC engine?
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 17, 2015, 11:31:36 AM
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 17, 2015, 11:31:36 AM
Sure it wasn't a 03-04 Marauder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_Marauder?
No Crown Victoria/Police Interceptor was ever produced with a 4.6 DOHC V8. They were all 4.6 SOHC engines. All Crown Victoria/Police Interceptors had aluminum driveshafts though. It's not a rare thing.
No Crown Victoria/Police Interceptor was ever produced with a 4.6 DOHC V8. They were all 4.6 SOHC engines. All Crown Victoria/Police Interceptors had aluminum driveshafts though. It's not a rare thing.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: M-train on January 18, 2015, 06:04:04 PM
Post by: M-train on January 18, 2015, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;443036
Sure it wasn't a 03-04 Marauder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_Marauder?
No Crown Victoria/Police Interceptor was ever produced with a 4.6 DOHC V8. They were all 4.6 SOHC engines. All Crown Victoria/Police Interceptors had aluminum driveshafts though. It's not a rare thing.
Yep, it was the DOHC. I'm a Ford guy, and spotted that engine as soon as the hood was popped. No mistaking those huge valve covers. No Marauder though as I would have been all over it even more than the DOHC CV. I did try to get a friend to buy a Marauder when he sold his parents house as he is a big guy, and the Marauder would have been great for him [but, in the end he is the very definition of cheap].
The black CV at HS was the car all of the "important" people got to drive. I got to move it once from around front to inside the fence in the rear, and of course I did take the looong way around. Fun car.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 18, 2015, 06:42:48 PM
Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 18, 2015, 06:42:48 PM
Probably built for HS by an aftermarket supplier. When I used to build cop cars one of the ones I worked on was an armoured '96 Buick Roadmonster. It had a marine 454 in it that could run on gasoline or propane. This car belonged to the RCMP's VIP security division, the guys that escorted foreign dignitaries on official visits. This particular car was the "wife car", the one the dignitary's wife would have been transported in. It was very heavily armoured and had onboard life support in case of chemical attack, but looked like a regular Roadmonster except for the bulletproof windows. The actual dignitary would have been driven around in a stretched and armoured car
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Beau on January 18, 2015, 08:55:32 PM
Post by: Beau on January 18, 2015, 08:55:32 PM
Some years ago...99, 2000 or so, I was at the local Ford dealer to get some parts I'd ordered. The parts counter is just inside the shop door, from there, one can see whatever is being worked on. I was pretty familiar with the people there, so when I saw the first County Sheriff's CVPI with it's hood up, I walked over to check it out.
It too had the DOHC 4.6. And right away, some mechanic I'd never seen before came up and told me I needed to walk away, that it was a prototype car and the public didn't need to know what it had.
But, as above, it was definitely a 4 cam 4.6 under the hood.
That was the first CV our sheriff's dept had...before that they used their own personal cars and the county reimbursed the deputies/sheriff for mileage, maintenance, etc.
Now the Sheriff drives some sort of chevy truck and it too has a not stock engine, and the chief deputy drives on of those bad-ass explorers..eco boost, or whatever. The city cops over in brookfield are running a couple of ex HP chargers now. Big times in Podunk, North Missouri.
It too had the DOHC 4.6. And right away, some mechanic I'd never seen before came up and told me I needed to walk away, that it was a prototype car and the public didn't need to know what it had.
But, as above, it was definitely a 4 cam 4.6 under the hood.
That was the first CV our sheriff's dept had...before that they used their own personal cars and the county reimbursed the deputies/sheriff for mileage, maintenance, etc.
Now the Sheriff drives some sort of chevy truck and it too has a not stock engine, and the chief deputy drives on of those bad-ass explorers..eco boost, or whatever. The city cops over in brookfield are running a couple of ex HP chargers now. Big times in Podunk, North Missouri.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: M-train on January 19, 2015, 05:14:44 PM
Post by: M-train on January 19, 2015, 05:14:44 PM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;443110
Some years ago...99, 2000 or so, I was at the local Ford dealer to get some parts I'd ordered. The parts counter is just inside the shop door, from there, one can see whatever is being worked on. I was pretty familiar with the people there, so when I saw the first County Sheriff's CVPI with it's hood up, I walked over to check it out.
It too had the DOHC 4.6. And right away, some mechanic I'd never seen before came up and told me I needed to walk away, that it was a prototype car and the public didn't need to know what it had.
But, as above, it was definitely a 4 cam 4.6 under the hood.
That was the first CV our sheriff's dept had...before that they used their own personal cars and the county reimbursed the deputies/sheriff for mileage, maintenance, etc.
Now the Sheriff drives some sort of chevy truck and it too has a not stock engine, and the chief deputy drives on of those bad-ass explorers..eco boost, or whatever. The city cops over in brookfield are running a couple of ex HP chargers now. Big times in Podunk, North Missouri.
Yep, like I said, its hard for a Ford guy to miss those huge valve covers. I wish I could find that car now. Hell, maybe I will try to find it, as they usually auctioned off most of the vehicles there after a given time. I would almost bet they bought the car through a local dealer.
Anyone have any idea on how to find something like this?
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Haystack on January 19, 2015, 08:14:58 PM
Post by: Haystack on January 19, 2015, 08:14:58 PM
Could just swap a dohc into a crown vic....
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: M-train on January 22, 2015, 05:42:21 PM
Post by: M-train on January 22, 2015, 05:42:21 PM
Quote from: Haystack;443153
Could just swap a dohc into a crown vic....
now we're back to the Lincoln MKVlll
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Beau on January 22, 2015, 06:16:50 PM
Post by: Beau on January 22, 2015, 06:16:50 PM
Crown Vic is solid, less electronics to contend with, non-air suspensions, and a plus: they're everywhere.
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Post by: mcb82gt on January 22, 2015, 06:42:54 PM
Post by: mcb82gt on January 22, 2015, 06:42:54 PM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;443290
Crown Vic is solid, less electronics to contend with, non-air suspensions, and a plus: they're everywhere.
X2, way less electronic and no air bags etc..............
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: jandmmustangs on January 22, 2015, 06:43:13 PM
Post by: jandmmustangs on January 22, 2015, 06:43:13 PM
If you were closer I could put your son in a 2002 mercury grand marquis. 68k on the clock. Chestnut brown, tan leather, 35% window tint, catback exhaust, 3.55 gears, 99 svt cobra wheels, no accidents, for under $3000.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: M-train on January 23, 2015, 06:42:42 PM
Post by: M-train on January 23, 2015, 06:42:42 PM
Well, turns out its now a moot point as I sold him an 03 Altima I had.
Funny thing, I'm trying to sell cars as a business, and I completely rebuilt the engine on that Altima with EVERYTHING! I also did away with the factory problems that caused the engines to fail in the first place which was gutting the "pre-cat", and putting locktite on the butterfly bolts in the intake.
Anyway, whenever I showed the Altima to anyone, and mentioned that I had completely rebuilt the engine [with all of the receipts] they would totally freak out. So it finally got to where I wouldn't even mention anything about the new engine. One lady I had look at the Altima this past weekend ask what my "trick" was to get the engine that clean, as her father owned a car lot, and used laundry detergent. I told her the "trick" was to pull the engine out, and rebuild it............lol. After that, she was no longer interested in the car.
So in having said all of that, I'm glad my son got the car as all of that hard work will be appreciated. Turns out the transmission finally went out on his Honda Accord. Looks like I will be doing a rebuild on the transmission as soon as the weather breaks, so I can get it up for sale. [I took the Honda as a partial trade].
Thanks for all of the replies as this has been a fun topic [for me].
Funny thing, I'm trying to sell cars as a business, and I completely rebuilt the engine on that Altima with EVERYTHING! I also did away with the factory problems that caused the engines to fail in the first place which was gutting the "pre-cat", and putting locktite on the butterfly bolts in the intake.
Anyway, whenever I showed the Altima to anyone, and mentioned that I had completely rebuilt the engine [with all of the receipts] they would totally freak out. So it finally got to where I wouldn't even mention anything about the new engine. One lady I had look at the Altima this past weekend ask what my "trick" was to get the engine that clean, as her father owned a car lot, and used laundry detergent. I told her the "trick" was to pull the engine out, and rebuild it............lol. After that, she was no longer interested in the car.
So in having said all of that, I'm glad my son got the car as all of that hard work will be appreciated. Turns out the transmission finally went out on his Honda Accord. Looks like I will be doing a rebuild on the transmission as soon as the weather breaks, so I can get it up for sale. [I took the Honda as a partial trade].
Thanks for all of the replies as this has been a fun topic [for me].
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Cougars 2 go on January 24, 2015, 11:45:06 AM
Post by: Cougars 2 go on January 24, 2015, 11:45:06 AM
I've never understood the unfavorable reviews of the air suspension. That is one of the traits I really really liked. I had to replace the front set of air struts and it was a cake walk. No spring compressors to deal with and the parts weren't terribly expensive. I really enjoyed always having a level car no matter who was in it and how much was in the trunk. I also really liked the automatic lowering feature at speeds over 50 or 55 or whatever it was.
Like, really.
Like, really.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 24, 2015, 12:01:00 PM
Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on January 24, 2015, 12:01:00 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;442962
I wouldn't rule out a new car either. Yes, a new car is a horrible investment, but you are paying for peace of mind, not to mention modern amenities, fuel economy and safety gear. Plus it helps build credit, and there are plenty of options out there for under $200/month. Unless he puts a bunch of miles on, even a lease might make sense - he can walk away from it after three years, or he can hand in the keys, grab a brand new car, and drive away with the same payment...
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Beau on January 24, 2015, 05:22:51 PM
Post by: Beau on January 24, 2015, 05:22:51 PM
I've been involved in the resto of air ride on a Continental (Lincoln Taurus, if you will). As Karl says, it's easy stuff. We replaced all 4 bags...think it cost my dad about 250 bucks. If you have to buy the whole things preassembled though, they really stick it in with out the lube. But if you can flip a wrench, buy the parts and fix yourself, it's cheap, and easy.
I'm not sure why people flip out over rebuilt engines...unless they had a car that had one done by a dumbass and it caused them problems. I'd rather have a higher mileage car/one notorious for engine issues with a rebuilt engine than one with lots of miles on the stock engine...except for a Caddy with a northstar..I want nothing to do with those shaged up pieces of dog . Lots of 'em in the junkyards...no damage...but the engine came apart. Good job, Cadillac.
I'm not sure why people flip out over rebuilt engines...unless they had a car that had one done by a dumbass and it caused them problems. I'd rather have a higher mileage car/one notorious for engine issues with a rebuilt engine than one with lots of miles on the stock engine...except for a Caddy with a northstar..I want nothing to do with those shaged up pieces of dog . Lots of 'em in the junkyards...no damage...but the engine came apart. Good job, Cadillac.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Thunderbird88 on January 26, 2015, 11:05:15 PM
Post by: Thunderbird88 on January 26, 2015, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: Cougars 2 go;442895
The problems in those cars tend to be focused on the area between the front bumper and the rear bumper. Address that spot and you're good to go.
I'd like to find my thread or post with the list of problems but I think that post was back in 2003 or 2004 or sometime around then. My Mark was a '96. Great concept/design, poor execution. The drivetrain should stay intact but I wouldn't risk the rest. Those cars aren't durable enough to be daily drivers. I like them and may have another one day but it will be a Sunday/limited driver only.
Wth are you talking about?
My '95 was fine.
Sure, the transmission was missing 4th gear, some slippage during shifting, leaking from the oil filter adapter, poor leakdown test results etc.
Still she ran like a champ for almost 20k miles until I parked her in the barn where she sits now because I'm working abroad.
-35C witohut engine heater, no problem. Go on a 1000 mile trip, no problems.
A car I could really trust. And that transmission, what a fighter! Slipping with only 3 gears for 20k miles and still working as when I bought, shiznitty but rolling. Never changed the oil or anything in that trans because the oil costs more than a used transmission from the junkyard.
There are ofcourse gremlins with these cars like for example the air ride suspension. Can be converted to coil overs.
I had zero troubles with mine. Took about 3 days and then the car was on the ground which in my opinion, isn't that bad.
My father had some issues and found a smashed O-ring. Fixed that and never had troubles again.
We have 3 Mark Viii's, they are good cars. Unfortinetly, I bought the shiznittiest most ghetto Mark Viii I could possibly find.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/391551_10151042830531236_2147002547_n.jpg?oh=324c58c1601d98a90d406c903b27c26d&oe=55547894&__gda__=1433131675_2057defc601e7a92da00277bf13c0587)
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Beau on January 27, 2015, 01:50:03 AM
Post by: Beau on January 27, 2015, 01:50:03 AM
You can go to most any salvage yard here, and there's always 2 or 3 Mark VIII's in there. None or hardly any have body damage. That means the trans went out or the owners got scared of the so-called expensive to fix air ride.
SMH.
SMH.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 27, 2015, 02:45:56 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 27, 2015, 02:45:56 PM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;443110
Some years ago...99, 2000 or so, I was at the local Ford dealer to get some parts I'd ordered. The parts counter is just inside the shop door, from there, one can see whatever is being worked on. I was pretty familiar with the people there, so when I saw the first County Sheriff's CVPI with it's hood up, I walked over to check it out.
It too had the DOHC 4.6. And right away, some mechanic I'd never seen before came up and told me I needed to walk away, that it was a prototype car and the public didn't need to know what it had.
But, as above, it was definitely a 4 cam 4.6 under the hood.
That was the first CV our sheriff's dept had...before that they used their own personal cars and the county reimbursed the deputies/sheriff for mileage, maintenance, etc.
Now the Sheriff drives some sort of chevy truck and it too has a not stock engine, and the chief deputy drives on of those bad-ass explorers..eco boost, or whatever. The city cops over in brookfield are running a couple of ex HP chargers now. Big times in Podunk, North Missouri.
I have no idea why a DOHC Crown Vic would be a "secret". The Marauder had the same engine. It wasn't some sort of crazy high tech thing. Did they think people would freak out? Even with a 300hp DOHC 4.6 the Marauder wasn't that fast (6.9 sec 0-60 and 15.4 1/4 mile) as it's lugging 4000lbs around. Hell a V6 Camry could stomp it in a drag race.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 27, 2015, 05:13:05 PM
Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 27, 2015, 05:13:05 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;443509
I have no idea why a DOHC Crown Vic would be a "secret". The Marauder had the same engine. It wasn't some sort of crazy high tech thing. Did they think people would freak out? Even with a 300hp DOHC 4.6 the Marauder wasn't that fast (6.9 sec 0-60 and 15.4 1/4 mile) as it's lugging 4000lbs around. Hell a V6 Camry could stomp it in a drag race.
Probably for the same reason Ford built a couple of aluminum F150's in the previous body style and provided them to a fleet customer without even telling that customer (they were afraid that the customer's drivers would treat the trucks differently had they known, which would have affected the test results). Most manufacturers keep their prototypes secret, even going so far as wrapping a new platform around an old body, sometimes with hilarious results (google Honda S2000/NSX prototype).
It also isn't out of the ordinary for Ford to provide prototypes/developmental mules to police departments. Remember these?
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 27, 2015, 05:37:54 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 27, 2015, 05:37:54 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;443515
Probably for the same reason Ford built a couple of aluminum F150's in the previous body style and provided them to a fleet customer without even telling that customer (they were afraid that the customer's drivers would treat the trucks differently had they known, which would have affected the test results). Most manufacturers keep their prototypes secret, even going so far as wrapping a new platform around an old body, sometimes with hilarious results (google Honda S2000/NSX prototype).
It also isn't out of the ordinary for Ford to provide prototypes/developmental mules to police departments. Remember these?
The only way a DOHC Crown Vic makes sense is if it was testing a Coyote prototype. I have heard that there were some Coyote powered 6 speed Crown Vics built for testing purposes but they were only used in house by Ford.
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Post by: Thunderbird88 on January 30, 2015, 03:05:21 AM
Post by: Thunderbird88 on January 30, 2015, 03:05:21 AM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;443497
You can go to most any salvage yard here, and there's always 2 or 3 Mark VIII's in there. None or hardly any have body damage. That means the trans went out or the owners got scared of the so-called expensive to fix air ride.
SMH.
That's the thing! It's not expensive the parts.
Just a bitch to work with. once it's fixed it will definetly not fail you for atleast 10 years.
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Post by: M-train on January 30, 2015, 08:00:33 PM
Post by: M-train on January 30, 2015, 08:00:33 PM
Wouldn't the air ride problem be cured with a set of coil over struts/shocks?
I just looked at a 97 MKVIII in a magazine today, and man those cars had good lines. I think the car would look good even if it was released today.
The transmission in the MK is supposed to be the holy grail of OD transmissions for the Ford performance crowd. I know the transmissions do need a little modding for really high hp, but they seem to really hold up well.....
Sure would be neat to have a MKVlll with a remote turbo kit [I did the remote turbo think with a Mazda B2200, and I really liked it. Of course I had to fabb everything myself], or supercharger. Maybe a 5.4l transplant for a little more TQ down low, but heck with turbos you really don't even need that much cid.
I just looked at a 97 MKVIII in a magazine today, and man those cars had good lines. I think the car would look good even if it was released today.
The transmission in the MK is supposed to be the holy grail of OD transmissions for the Ford performance crowd. I know the transmissions do need a little modding for really high hp, but they seem to really hold up well.....
Sure would be neat to have a MKVlll with a remote turbo kit [I did the remote turbo think with a Mazda B2200, and I really liked it. Of course I had to fabb everything myself], or supercharger. Maybe a 5.4l transplant for a little more TQ down low, but heck with turbos you really don't even need that much cid.
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Post by: Thunderbird88 on February 03, 2015, 03:59:40 AM
Post by: Thunderbird88 on February 03, 2015, 03:59:40 AM
Quote from: M-train;443696
Wouldn't the air ride problem be cured with a set of coil over struts/shocks?
Yes.
Title: Need some advice from Lincoln MK Vlll owners.............
Post by: M-train on February 03, 2015, 06:46:59 PM
Post by: M-train on February 03, 2015, 06:46:59 PM
Will a terminator 03 Cobra engine [with the supercharger] fit under the MKVlll hood?
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Post by: bodyman on February 03, 2015, 07:19:36 PM
Post by: bodyman on February 03, 2015, 07:19:36 PM
It should, it fits under the hood of a Thunderbird with 1/4's of inches to spare. Actually the only thing that is close it the pulley on the supercharger.
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Post by: Haystack on February 03, 2015, 11:34:20 PM
Post by: Haystack on February 03, 2015, 11:34:20 PM
The 4.6 dohc is a very wide motor. The super charger sits on top of the intake, which is below the valve covers on a 4.6.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on February 04, 2015, 01:42:18 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on February 04, 2015, 01:42:18 PM
Quote from: bodyman;443866
It should, it fits under the hood of a Thunderbird with 1/4's of inches to spare. Actually the only thing that is close it the pulley on the supercharger.
It fits in your FOX Thunderbird engine bay fine. A Mark VIII is on a modified MN-12 chassis (the 89-97 Thunderbird/Cougar chassis). Being that the MN-12 has a lower hood line than a FOX I doubt the Terminator engine with a blower would fit under a stock Mark VIII hood.
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Post by: bodyman on February 04, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Post by: bodyman on February 04, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Quote
thunderjet302
It fits in your FOX Thunderbird engine bay fine. A Mark VIII is on a modified MN-12 chassis (the 89-97 Thunderbird/Cougar chassis). Being that the MN-12 has a lower hood line than a FOX I doubt the Terminator engine with a blower would fit under a stock Mark VIII hood.
Thank you for the correction. I should have realized that the VIII is based off of the MN-12 chassis.
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Post by: V8Demon on February 04, 2015, 04:28:34 PM
Post by: V8Demon on February 04, 2015, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: Haystack;443883
The 4.6 dohc is a very wide motor. The super charger sits on top of the intake, which is below the valve covers on a 4.6.
(https://snakebitten.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/engine-bay-2.jpg)
Top of the blower is still higher than the valve/cam covers on the DOHC 4.6
Throttle linkage and IAC are the high points.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on February 04, 2015, 04:54:29 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on February 04, 2015, 04:54:29 PM
Quote from: bodyman;443901
Thank you for the correction. I should have realized that the VIII is based off of the MN-12 chassis.
No problem. The Mark III and up have been based on a Thunderbird chassis. The Mark VII was based on the FOX chassis, the Mark VIII the MN-12. I really get a kick out of Mark VII owners who think they have something "special" when in reality all they have is a Thunderbird with air springs ;). I should know as I own a Mark VII.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on February 04, 2015, 04:55:54 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on February 04, 2015, 04:55:54 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;443903
(https://snakebitten.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/engine-bay-2.jpg)
Top of the blower is still higher than the valve/cam covers on the DOHC 4.6
Throttle linkage and IAC are the high points.
There is no way that's fitting under a Mark VIII hood.
Plus weren't we talking reliable daily driver? If so a Terminator swap into a Mark VIII kinda throws that out the window doesn't it?
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Post by: Beau on February 04, 2015, 10:57:35 PM
Post by: Beau on February 04, 2015, 10:57:35 PM
What's unreliable about a Termi 4.6?
As long as you don't go upping the boost, or adding a shiznit-pot of giggle gas to it...
As long as you don't go upping the boost, or adding a shiznit-pot of giggle gas to it...
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Post by: thunderjet302 on February 05, 2015, 12:00:58 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on February 05, 2015, 12:00:58 PM
Well maybe not reliable per say but cost is a big factor. He wants an inexpensive car. Dropping a Terminator 4.6 4V into a Mark VIII isn't going to be cheap. You'll need the wiring harness from an 03-04 cobra, the stock 4R70W is going to need an upgrade as I doubt a 100K+ mile transmission is just going to shrug off around 400hp. The cost of the engine, wiring, tuning, and transmission rebuild to handle the power is going to far exceed the cost of a nice Mark VIII. Kinda throws the "budget" idea out the window. At that point just go to the dealer and buy a 400hp '11 and up Mustang GT off the lot.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on February 05, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on February 05, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
As a side note I found this article interesting as it relates to the topic at hand: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/02/no-fixed-abode-gotta-rich-cheap-car/#more-993330
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Post by: M-train on February 05, 2015, 06:59:35 PM
Post by: M-train on February 05, 2015, 06:59:35 PM
No, no, no. I've already sold my son an 03 Altima that I completely overhauled for trade on his Honda with the bum transmission.
I'm now just bench racing.
Yes, the Terminator engine is quite reliable depending on how many miles is on it. It came factory with an all forged bottom end.
I'm now just bench racing.
Yes, the Terminator engine is quite reliable depending on how many miles is on it. It came factory with an all forged bottom end.