Well just got a 87 TC tossed my way for free.
Only few things missing like Motor tranny.
But other wise its in realy good shap in and out.
Now i just need to ponder a powertrain for this.
Twin Turbo 351 or 460 hmmmmm
Every and his brother has seen 460 in about everything, you'll get more oohs and ahhhas with the TT351(or even a TT 5.0)
well i have 2 T4s a megasqurt 2 stang throtle bodys and the lower intake for a 351 already.
Cadillac 500
LOL hotrod mag did a build up of a 500 cady in a chevet i think
it was a 500 caddy in an el comino.. i have the magazine at home somewhere i think. uless the wife "5 S'ed" it.
I was serious, take a look.
http://www.msnusers.com/CadTBird/shoebox.msnw
Also here's a Cadillac Mustang that runs high nine now, same engine compartment as your T-Bird.
http://www.hotrod.com/eventcoverage/38black_mustang_sm.mov
If you are starting from a car without any engine, why not?
TED
because its a ford, and chuvy and ford don't belong together.thats like a cabbit(cat mixed with rabbit) just because it has been done and will work dosent meen it is right.stick with the 351 TT it will at least be a real ford then
Who said anything about a Chevy? We're talking Cadillac here, and yes there is a big difference. Get your facts straight before you trash other people's ideas.
What, exactly, defines an engine swap as being "right"? That kind of backwards mentality doesn't befit a hot rodder. Do a little research. For decades, Olds and Caddy motors were the engines of choice to swap in model Ts, deuce coupes, Mercs, and other Fords. Then suddenly the purists came along, who for some messed up reason, feel it's a sin worse than murder to swap different engines in cars. That doesn't make any sense.
I get an even bigger laugh out of the guy discouraging dude from putting a 460 in the car because "everyone and his brother has seen a 460 in just about everything". Gee, I wonder why that's such a popular swap? Maybe it's because a mild 460 will blow the tires off in every gear, unlike puny ass lil 302s that have to wind to 6000 RPMs to get any work done and split in half when you start to make decent power with them? You should decide for yourself what you want to run based on what you want and what's good, and not what others are building. I don't understand the belief that your project idea has to be absolutely, positively the most unique thing on the planet in order for it to be worth doing.
Before you trash me, I'll have you know that I'm a big fan of Fords and Ford motors. In fact, all I own right now is Fords. I have an 02 GT, a 98 GT convertible, and an 84 notchback that's getting a big, fat Cadillac dropped in it next month. If I didn't have a nicely built Caddy laying around to put in it, I'd just as soon put a 460 in it, a 408 stroker, a turbo'd 351, a hot 302, or a built 2.3 turbo. Doesn't matter to me. A good motor is a good motor, no matter who makes it.
woah turbo! im not gonna trash you...yet.... i see your point and yes the 460 is a popular motor as is the 500 caddy, ive seen both punched out..... nice numbers the 500 in a t-bird tho it be original and all, wouldnt work over so hot if you you had a problem and couldnt chase it down and your right, a good motor is a good motor....
BTW shiftless - get along with the board elders :nono: like TurboCoupe50 (hi Tom! :D )
lol, I think I've got him on seniority, that is if we're talking about on TurboFord.org. ;)
Don't let this come off the wrong way but we had someone else come here and in his first post he started talking trash. And he ended up banned. And there is a difference between us and turboford, cougarnuts, FvC... We all try to get along.
As for seniority I see 687 other people on here before you. So wait your turn. :D
Now back to the original post:
I have alwas like the FE Series. Like the 390, 427, and the 428. THey sound good if you get them tuned right. They are also lighter that the 429, 460. If you plan on going in just a straight line I would go with the big block. If you want handleing I would stick with the small block.
It wouldn't really bother me if I got banned, I just came here to defend the Caddy. I ain't tryin to start shiznit though.
In regards to the FE engine weight, I ain't sure that's the case. The FE is one *heavy* motor.
Here (http://www.241computers.com/ford/ContentExpress20-30-38.html) is where I got my info. Yes I know it lists the same engines with different weights but I picked the two engines that were weighed by the same source.
Cadillac 595 pounds
TED
More proof that you guys are perfectly capable of starting arguments without my help. :p
At any rate, I have to say I'm already sick of hearing about ed Caddy engines. (as I've said elsewhere, I'm in the "Ford body, Ford engine" camp) If any of you want to hack one into your own cars, hey.. more power to ya. But it's starting to look like we're getting a few "pushers" here.
I have my own uncommon swap I want to do, and will eventually do. Some others here may even want to do the same thing I want to do. However, unless they express an interest in the engine, I have no real desire to "push" my choice of engine on them. (and if I've ever come across as pushing the 300 on people who wanted nothing to do with it, my apologies. It's not my intent) For the majority here, an engine in the Windsor, 335, or 385 series is probably in their future plans.. and that's fine for them.
I'm #711 on TurboFord..... So whats your #????
EDIT... Be honest, I just checked....
i've never got into an arquement on this board or any other boards ive been on so i have no intention of starting now so shiftless come yourself.now an opion on a motor was asked i gave mine and it was offered to SirChripAlot.whether he likes the idea or not is up to him to decide and no one else.the decision in the end is his and his alone to do to his car what he wants or likes as is the same for any one.
Bird351, Jesus H. Jumped-Up Christ, why did you start shiznit with everyone? It was a perfectly calm and sane conversation till you came in and started slinging shiznit.
Oh, I know.. I'm just evil. This was so nice and quiet before I showed up. :flip:
U R such a tr011!!!!! sumbody B4N his a$$!
:yuck: baaaaahahahad mental image.
well still unsure what i will do but the turbo coupe should have a turbo or 2.
With that said i will take the motor out of my 85 when i have the turbo kit ready and drop it in the TC were it belongs, I now feel that ford should have made the TC a V8 Turbo car from the start,
As for 85 well the shell is not that bad but with motor tranny susp and rear end going to the TC i will build a buget 460 with 440 six pack rods and a set of cobra jet heads.
Then spray the snot out if it.
Anyway are camaro is in Car Craft Real Street Eliminator
Link is
http://www.carcraft.com/upcomingevents/116_0508_rse/index14.html
This car has been on Sports car rev on the dyno as well.
Come on vote for it and get us down to race some big dollor cars.
On a side note most of the other cars rims are worth more then are whole car LOL.
I think the Cad motor in the TBird is waaaay cool! Putting a motor in a vehicle that it never came with is very cool in my own opinion.
James
how about a turbo V6 buick in a vette.
http://www.roguevette.com/
Another buddy of mine :)
Enjoy
Um...the cabbit isn't real. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Joe
Cabbit?
Cat/rabbit cross breed, have you not been listening? :slap: It has everything to do with cars and engines.
motor swaps are endless into fox body cars
i am currently swapping in a 460 in my t/c it will get a large single turbo later down the line .definatly not a cheap swap but i hope it to be loads of fun
ive also had a mustang w/ a sbc in it > very very easy swap easier then putting a 5.0 in a 4 cyl car it was very fun ran 7.17's in the 1/8 mile with ease and was super cheap to build
another viable option is the bbc swaps in fairly easy also
I agree it is your choice on what you want but it is always more funt o have somthing differant than joe blow has around here there are no fox t-birds with 460's thats why i am building mine.
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR SWAP dont let anyone discourage you from what you choose to put in it be chevy/ford/chrysler/amc/caddy/etc
best thing is with cars u can do what u want.
Be it copy a car from a mag or a show or do it your way its all good.
I have the Turbo Coupe still sitting and have looked the car over end to end and its in realy good shape so my plan is not to chop it up and go with a tube K up front and lader bar setup out back with twin turbo 351. My 85 t will last me the summer and then i will build up a mild 460 with 440 6 pack rods and drop that into it and call it good.
TC will take all winter to build and home to have it for next years May24 weekend.
Why not put a turbo 4 back in there? Or some other form of turbo charged odd ball setup. A buddy of mine took a 88 T/C and put a twin turbo V6 into and made custom badges for it that said "SuperBird" He told everyone that it was a one off test car before they went with the supercharger. Any how make it Fast but make it and odd ball. Also not many people actually rebuild the T/c to stock so that might be an Idea.
well a twin turbo 6 would be cool.
But for me V8s come easy and cheap. As it is now i have 2 more 351s that landed in my lap as well as 3 flat head fords and one 354 baby hemi.
With the hobby shop doing soso i hope over the winter to build 1 or 2 rods to sell next spring
I have a friend working on an inline 6 carbed turbo setup for his 58 failane.
Might consider that. I know Bird351 has started a thread on it for the 300 but the, I think, 240 inline 6 has alot of after market parts out there if you look hard enough. There is a twin cam head out there for it.
Heres a pic of the beast.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/purf_man/sr%20design/DSCF0009.jpg)
I dont see the problem with doing what you want to YOUR car. Does anyone supercharge engines anymore. I thought that was the big deal anymore. I've always known turbos to be associated with foreign cars. I'm not trying to put anyone down. I think a 302 supercharged would be cool. Thats what I intend to do to my 84 coug.
i thought about a twin SC setup for a wile but i just like turbos over SC's
Plus i'm tired of filling bottles
bottles?
Nitrous (Ricer translation: Nawwz, Juice)
I kinda figured. You said you considered a twin SC setup. Is that with the new SCs. The ones like turbos.Cuz the only ones i knew of were top mount on top of the intake.
those are roots style SC's that mount on the intake, you can get centrafugal (sp?) sc's that are belt driven and look like half a turbo.
There have been people that have used twin superchargers.
I side more with turbos when it comes down for boost.
For power on demand there still is not much that can beat a bottle.
cool car, but looks like a '63 not '58. :D
Ya, maybe thats its. Hell I don't know he changes cars more than uunderwear. This is just his latest beast.
It also has a full air suspention under it and a T5 bolted to it inplace of the 3 speed on the tree.
Still a very cool car!!! :D :D