Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: Chooglin on March 25, 2014, 12:18:22 PM
Post by: Chooglin on March 25, 2014, 12:18:22 PM
Although I haven't contributed much to this forum, I have enjoyed learning and viewing many
Of the post and projects on this forum.I will be seeking other forums to join , so that I can continue to enjoy and share these great cars with others !!!
As for Tom Renzo , I really do wish he could recognize his fault , he certainly knows his stuff ( and I mean that )he just doesn't get the fact, that he is presenting himself in a bad way !!!
Nobody on here doubts his ability as a mechanic (although he sees it that way)but until he recognizes this, he will continue to do what he does !!!
Good day
Chooglin
Of the post and projects on this forum.I will be seeking other forums to join , so that I can continue to enjoy and share these great cars with others !!!
As for Tom Renzo , I really do wish he could recognize his fault , he certainly knows his stuff ( and I mean that )he just doesn't get the fact, that he is presenting himself in a bad way !!!
Nobody on here doubts his ability as a mechanic (although he sees it that way)but until he recognizes this, he will continue to do what he does !!!
Good day
Chooglin
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: V8Demon on March 25, 2014, 12:39:38 PM
Post by: V8Demon on March 25, 2014, 12:39:38 PM
Dude, don't leave on account of him. I've had a few people on this site I've had disagreements/arguments with. A thousand times more people here are welcoming and friendly. I myself took a break from here, but it was compounded by the frustrating events with my car.
I sincerely hope you stay on here. If not, I wish you well and also that there's a few pages on Facebook you can check out too. ;)
I sincerely hope you stay on here. If not, I wish you well and also that there's a few pages on Facebook you can check out too. ;)
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: Chrome on March 25, 2014, 12:50:34 PM
Post by: Chrome on March 25, 2014, 12:50:34 PM
We are loosing so many good members due to one person. Sad thing is, if he were to just look at what he says from someone else's perspective......
Come on Mods! He even argues with you!
Come on Mods! He even argues with you!
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 25, 2014, 02:06:38 PM
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 25, 2014, 02:06:38 PM
Quote from: Chrome;431200
We are loosing so many good members due to one person. Sad thing is, if he were to just look at what he says from someone else's perspective......
Come on Mods! He even argues with you!
Mods??? This site has moderators??? :wrongforum:
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: ZondaC12 on March 25, 2014, 02:24:22 PM
Post by: ZondaC12 on March 25, 2014, 02:24:22 PM
It is every car-builder or car-maintainer's responsibility to research their endeavor to the best of their ability BEFORE opening the checkbook/wallet.
We are all aggravated to an extent over the abundance of both good and bad information available.
This is not unique to electronic communication. Ever ask all of your car show buddies for help on a problem? The more the merrier right? 50 friends, 50 different opinions/methods/conclusions/theories. Look at the MH370 flight and all of the sudden armchair investigators....
Tom, I get the feeling you wish to draw from your experience and governing-body certifications to provide a source of "real" information here. That's a noble cause. But dispensing that information must be done diplomatically.
Everyone's had different experiences. Those experiences may net you a conclusion about the facts that is right or wrong. This has to be the root cause of staunchly opposing views about these topics. Otherwise, why would anyone drive a stake in the ground? To be a troll? Sure, this happens, but not every day right? If I see that the sky is blue, and I have good intent, would I seriously go around trying my dest to prove that the sky is green? If I did, I think I should fit some definition of "insane" fairly well.
No one's ever "seen it all", no one should ever expect to see "it all" in my own opinion. It's futile. You do the best you can, you win some and lose some. All, share your findings in the hope of helping someone else move toward saving time/money/effort and being successful with their project. Leave it at that. And wherever you're about to say "always", or "never", "is" "is not", or anything else absolutely declarative, delete that shiznit. You're not God, and neither am I. :)
We are all aggravated to an extent over the abundance of both good and bad information available.
This is not unique to electronic communication. Ever ask all of your car show buddies for help on a problem? The more the merrier right? 50 friends, 50 different opinions/methods/conclusions/theories. Look at the MH370 flight and all of the sudden armchair investigators....
Tom, I get the feeling you wish to draw from your experience and governing-body certifications to provide a source of "real" information here. That's a noble cause. But dispensing that information must be done diplomatically.
Everyone's had different experiences. Those experiences may net you a conclusion about the facts that is right or wrong. This has to be the root cause of staunchly opposing views about these topics. Otherwise, why would anyone drive a stake in the ground? To be a troll? Sure, this happens, but not every day right? If I see that the sky is blue, and I have good intent, would I seriously go around trying my dest to prove that the sky is green? If I did, I think I should fit some definition of "insane" fairly well.
No one's ever "seen it all", no one should ever expect to see "it all" in my own opinion. It's futile. You do the best you can, you win some and lose some. All, share your findings in the hope of helping someone else move toward saving time/money/effort and being successful with their project. Leave it at that. And wherever you're about to say "always", or "never", "is" "is not", or anything else absolutely declarative, delete that shiznit. You're not God, and neither am I. :)
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: custompunk on March 25, 2014, 02:53:27 PM
Post by: custompunk on March 25, 2014, 02:53:27 PM
Tom doesn't need to be moderated. Let the man give his opinion on all subjects. Don't hate someone just because they present themselves as a knowledge tree. Simply say "thanks for your opinion" and move on if you don't feel it is right.
If you are getting into disagreements with someone it's because you are trying to change their belief or prove them wrong. Just accept that they have a different way of thinking and continue about your daily life.
If you are getting into disagreements with someone it's because you are trying to change their belief or prove them wrong. Just accept that they have a different way of thinking and continue about your daily life.
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 25, 2014, 03:04:59 PM
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 25, 2014, 03:04:59 PM
Hay
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: T-BirdX3 on March 25, 2014, 03:27:01 PM
Post by: T-BirdX3 on March 25, 2014, 03:27:01 PM
Just out of curiosity choog, when you disagree /don't like someone in the real world do you move /quit job?
Simple answer is be a mature adult and don't feed into the drama or escalate the conversation.
With that being said, have a great day. :)
Simple answer is be a mature adult and don't feed into the drama or escalate the conversation.
With that being said, have a great day. :)
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: 50RACER on March 25, 2014, 05:35:30 PM
Post by: 50RACER on March 25, 2014, 05:35:30 PM
Hey Tom! Before you leave, pay your rent and move your things out of their heads!!! Seriously folks?
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 25, 2014, 06:46:05 PM
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 25, 2014, 06:46:05 PM
Chooglin, please don't leave on his account. And Tom (Turbocoupe50 Tom, not the other one), I do apologise for letting him ruin this forum as he has done. I've been worried about being seen as one of those admins/moderators that kick a guy out because I have a problem with him. I've tried to refrain from using admin powers to a fault. Let me assure you that this will no longer be the case. If he comes back (cross your fingers that he doesn't) and causes problems he's gone. I've had enough. I'm just sorry this hasn't come sooner...
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: MY83T on March 25, 2014, 07:08:39 PM
Post by: MY83T on March 25, 2014, 07:08:39 PM
I posted this over at my "Advice Needed Flood Thread" but it seems more appropriate here. Without escalating the feelings, i thought this put things in civil terms.
Tom, what i am about to say, i say respectfully and with good intentions. Personally i have only had polite exchanges with you. I would say the animosity that many people feel is based upon your bedside manor. More often than not its the messenger and not the message that is the problem. If i were a Neurologist and somebody with a common cold asked me what would make me feel better, i could answer that some aspirin and chicken soup would do the trick or i could go off on a lengthy tangent about human physiology and how things work and why, and it would be correct and accurate and nobody would care, because they only want to feel better. Sometimes the simplest answers are the best and right answers. I am a pro photographer, when i get a question from a large girl who says what can you do to make me look less heavy, i don't bombard her with all kinds of details about what i will do, i merely reassure her that i am sensitive to what she wants and will get her the results she needs. I have a whole brain full of knowledge and details about a variety of subjects, by the same token i only share what i think will be useful, helpful and interesting to those who are tuning in at any given moment. I don't need to be right, or have the last word even when i know i have the correct answer. You can lead the horse to water as they say....... Sometimes just prefacing your comments with "In my professional experience, i found this to work well"......as opposed to an absolute insistence that its your way or the highway. All just food for thought.......please accept this as constructive and not throwing daggers.
Best,
David
Tom, what i am about to say, i say respectfully and with good intentions. Personally i have only had polite exchanges with you. I would say the animosity that many people feel is based upon your bedside manor. More often than not its the messenger and not the message that is the problem. If i were a Neurologist and somebody with a common cold asked me what would make me feel better, i could answer that some aspirin and chicken soup would do the trick or i could go off on a lengthy tangent about human physiology and how things work and why, and it would be correct and accurate and nobody would care, because they only want to feel better. Sometimes the simplest answers are the best and right answers. I am a pro photographer, when i get a question from a large girl who says what can you do to make me look less heavy, i don't bombard her with all kinds of details about what i will do, i merely reassure her that i am sensitive to what she wants and will get her the results she needs. I have a whole brain full of knowledge and details about a variety of subjects, by the same token i only share what i think will be useful, helpful and interesting to those who are tuning in at any given moment. I don't need to be right, or have the last word even when i know i have the correct answer. You can lead the horse to water as they say....... Sometimes just prefacing your comments with "In my professional experience, i found this to work well"......as opposed to an absolute insistence that its your way or the highway. All just food for thought.......please accept this as constructive and not throwing daggers.
Best,
David
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: CoogarXR on March 25, 2014, 08:46:45 PM
Post by: CoogarXR on March 25, 2014, 08:46:45 PM
^^ Well said. I respect Tom for his knowledge, I've picked his brain a few times. That being said, I also understand why people butt heads with him. It's precisely what MY83T said, it's just his manner sometimes comes across coarse or condescending. He probably isn't like that in person. I know many guys who's personality doesn't translate well to the printed page.
I am the type of guy who gets along with almost anybody (I have to deal with the public a lot) so it doesn't bother me. I just tend to look at information and ignore the tone. I have a very binary way of looking at things; "yes that's the answer I needed" or "no that's not what I needed". Unless I read something super-dicky from somebody, I don't even notice the tone.
I am the type of guy who gets along with almost anybody (I have to deal with the public a lot) so it doesn't bother me. I just tend to look at information and ignore the tone. I have a very binary way of looking at things; "yes that's the answer I needed" or "no that's not what I needed". Unless I read something super-dicky from somebody, I don't even notice the tone.
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: vinnietbird on March 25, 2014, 09:08:58 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on March 25, 2014, 09:08:58 PM
I'll be staying. Too much credit is owed to this forum and it's members for the Sports progress, and answers to my issues I've had. If I don't like somebody, I have no issue telling them in the best way possible to go away, but I will not be ran off. If you don't like a person, tell him to get bent.
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: cougarcragar on March 26, 2014, 02:38:00 AM
Post by: cougarcragar on March 26, 2014, 02:38:00 AM
I agree with the others; there is no reason to pull chocks due to one person's contentious way of communicating.
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: Chrome on March 26, 2014, 09:50:09 AM
Post by: Chrome on March 26, 2014, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: MY83T;431222
I posted this over at my "Advice Needed Flood Thread" but it seems more appropriate here. Without escalating the feelings, i thought this put things in civil terms.
Tom, what i am about to say, i say respectfully and with good intentions. Personally i have only had polite exchanges with you. I would say the animosity that many people feel is based upon your bedside manor. More often than not its the messenger and not the message that is the problem. If i were a Neurologist and somebody with a common cold asked me what would make me feel better, i could answer that some aspirin and chicken soup would do the trick or i could go off on a lengthy tangent about human physiology and how things work and why, and it would be correct and accurate and nobody would care, because they only want to feel better. Sometimes the simplest answers are the best and right answers. I am a pro photographer, when i get a question from a large girl who says what can you do to make me look less heavy, i don't bombard her with all kinds of details about what i will do, i merely reassure her that i am sensitive to what she wants and will get her the results she needs. I have a whole brain full of knowledge and details about a variety of subjects, by the same token i only share what i think will be useful, helpful and interesting to those who are tuning in at any given moment. I don't need to be right, or have the last word even when i know i have the correct answer. You can lead the horse to water as they say....... Sometimes just prefacing your comments with "In my professional experience, i found this to work well"......as opposed to an absolute insistence that its your way or the highway. All just food for thought.......please accept this as constructive and not throwing daggers.
Best,
David
This has been my thoughts for a long time. Just to add to it, if he were to realize we are not all after 500+HP. Some of us just want peppy daily drivers.
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: Chrome on March 26, 2014, 09:54:04 AM
Post by: Chrome on March 26, 2014, 09:54:04 AM
Chooglin, don't go! If need be, just take a break. I did, and it helped me simmer down.
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: Chrome on March 26, 2014, 10:18:09 AM
Post by: Chrome on March 26, 2014, 10:18:09 AM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;431219
Chooglin, please don't leave on his account. And Tom (Turbocoupe50 Tom, not the other one), I do apologise for letting him ruin this forum as he has done. I've been worried about being seen as one of those admins/moderators that kick a guy out because I have a problem with him. I've tried to refrain from using admin powers to a fault. Let me assure you that this will no longer be the case. If he comes back (cross your fingers that he doesn't) and causes problems he's gone. I've had enough. I'm just sorry this hasn't come sooner...
I did not mean to point a finger at the Mods. I do respect yall. In the thread about the drowned Cougar, you yourself mentioned how it was refreshing that Tom did not post a pic of his non-cougar/T-Bird high dollar cars. A couple posts later, and Bam! This went all over me. His behavior has not changed, even though Mods have warned him time and time again. Tom knows his stuff, but this rude behavior can not continue whether he means to be that way or not.
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: Bob on March 26, 2014, 01:42:45 PM
Post by: Bob on March 26, 2014, 01:42:45 PM
can't you just ignore his posts or something in the settings if it bothers you that much.. I thought we had that features on this site
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: Drewstang on March 26, 2014, 02:44:46 PM
Post by: Drewstang on March 26, 2014, 02:44:46 PM
I've been here on and off over the past few years. I've seen people get into g contests with him. There is an ignore list for a reason guys. We're adults, you don't like someone ignore them.
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: Chooglin on March 26, 2014, 04:19:20 PM
Post by: Chooglin on March 26, 2014, 04:19:20 PM
Going to take a short break for awhile !!!!
As far as ignoring/blocking him, I just can't do that and don't feel that I should have to.........the problem is him,not me!!!
Many times this guy has claimed he is going to "Bail" and he always returns and the cycle starts all over again !!!!
So I think I have been more than patient ,hoping he would change his ways (no Dice)..................I just don't like the way he treats others on this forum
and has been aloud to get away with it,but it appears that will be changing!!!!
As far as anyone who enjoys his company and doesn't want to see him leave,I have no problem going elsewhere !!!!
This is one of the best forums out on the internet,that covers these cars,that's the reason I tolerated him for as long as I could!!!
See you all in awhile !!!
Chooglin
As far as ignoring/blocking him, I just can't do that and don't feel that I should have to.........the problem is him,not me!!!
Many times this guy has claimed he is going to "Bail" and he always returns and the cycle starts all over again !!!!
So I think I have been more than patient ,hoping he would change his ways (no Dice)..................I just don't like the way he treats others on this forum
and has been aloud to get away with it,but it appears that will be changing!!!!
As far as anyone who enjoys his company and doesn't want to see him leave,I have no problem going elsewhere !!!!
This is one of the best forums out on the internet,that covers these cars,that's the reason I tolerated him for as long as I could!!!
See you all in awhile !!!
Chooglin
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: Chrome on March 26, 2014, 04:49:51 PM
Post by: Chrome on March 26, 2014, 04:49:51 PM
^^^
This Forum needs this button so much! This is for that last post.
This Forum needs this button so much! This is for that last post.
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: Cougars 2 go on March 26, 2014, 04:53:33 PM
Post by: Cougars 2 go on March 26, 2014, 04:53:33 PM
How are trolls defined here and what's the policy for trolls here?
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: Chrome on March 26, 2014, 05:37:35 PM
Post by: Chrome on March 26, 2014, 05:37:35 PM
Troll (Internet)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Trolling" redirects here. For other uses, see Troll (disambiguation).
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In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[6]
This sense of the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, but have been used more widely. Media attention in recent years has equated trolling with online harassment. For example, mass media has used troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."[7][8]
Umm....
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Trolling" redirects here. For other uses, see Troll (disambiguation).
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In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[6]
This sense of the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, but have been used more widely. Media attention in recent years has equated trolling with online harassment. For example, mass media has used troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."[7][8]
Umm....
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 26, 2014, 05:50:55 PM
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 26, 2014, 05:50:55 PM
Consider the cycle broken. Next time he steps out, he's gone. I've let him get away with far too much, and let him piss off and drive away far too many members, and for that I apologise.
All mods reading this are now officially authorized to delete his threads, posts, pictures, whatever it takes to keep the peace. All other members are encouraged to PM me with any of his inappropriate posts, as I do not read every thread. Tom, if you're reading this, please take this as notice that you are on probation. Better yet, please take it as a not so subtle invitation to leave...
All mods reading this are now officially authorized to delete his threads, posts, pictures, whatever it takes to keep the peace. All other members are encouraged to PM me with any of his inappropriate posts, as I do not read every thread. Tom, if you're reading this, please take this as notice that you are on probation. Better yet, please take it as a not so subtle invitation to leave...
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 26, 2014, 06:47:29 PM
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 26, 2014, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: T-BirdX3;431212
Just out of curiosity choog, when you disagree /don't like someone in the real world do you move /quit job?
Simple answer is be a mature adult and don't feed into the drama or escalate the conversation.
With that being said, have a great day. :)
Nope, it's called take 'em out back for a attitude adjustment... One or the other will see the light...
Now if it's the boss, well I was never in that situation... I was usually putting out fires started by the other techs, as long as the customers were happy, management was happy...
Of all the boards I've been a member or just surfed through, NONE allow members to continually stir up problems... Generally there is a warning and then a week or maybe month suspension, three strikes will result in permanent ban... Some aren't that lenient...
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: jandmmustangs on March 26, 2014, 07:22:16 PM
Post by: jandmmustangs on March 26, 2014, 07:22:16 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;431301
Consider the cycle broken. Next time he steps out, he's gone. I've let him get away with far too much, and let him piss off and drive away far too many members, and for that I apologise.
All mods reading this are now officially authorized to delete his threads, posts, pictures, whatever it takes to keep the peace. All other members are encouraged to PM me with any of his inappropriate posts, as I do not read every thread. Tom, if you're reading this, please take this as notice that you are on probation. Better yet, please take it as a not so subtle invitation to leave...
You sir, get 5 gold stars, 2 internets, and a way to go for that post.
Although I've treated him like the Truman show, I wanna see what he says next, I applaud your decision. His wealth of "knowledge" is sadly over powered by his lack of tact and constant bragging. I find it hard to believe he acts this way in person. Although, if he does then the fine folks of Connecticut need to shop out their auto repairs for a more open minded mechanic.
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Post by: Bob on March 26, 2014, 09:55:11 PM
Post by: Bob on March 26, 2014, 09:55:11 PM
double secret probation!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0cF2piwjYQ
sorry couldn't resist :burnout:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0cF2piwjYQ
sorry couldn't resist :burnout:
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: Chrome on March 26, 2014, 10:28:15 PM
Post by: Chrome on March 26, 2014, 10:28:15 PM
Quote from: Bob;431317
double secret probation!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0cF2piwjYQ
sorry couldn't resist :burnout:
Once again, we need that "Like Button"
Title: I enjoyed my stay here !!!
Post by: V8Demon on March 27, 2014, 04:39:53 PM
Post by: V8Demon on March 27, 2014, 04:39:53 PM
Quote from: Bob;431317
double secret probation!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0cF2piwjYQ
sorry couldn't resist :burnout:
I see your double-secret probation and raise you dodecatuple secret probation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbEfV05tJz8