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Title: oh f#@k and need advice
Post by: baylensman on June 29, 2005, 07:49:00 AM
well it happened, at least my son was not hurt. but as you can see i'm parting out the bird and looking to buy a new one. I have a line on a 94 with 100,000 miles on it ford $2400.00 anything i should look for? the pictures below (i hope) are two days apart. I will post in parts for sale. if anyone needs anything from an 87 lx wiht maroon interior let me know
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on June 29, 2005, 10:51:31 AM
Wow, WTF did he hit???
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Post by: Bane on June 29, 2005, 11:21:45 AM
ouch, more like wtf hit him?

gl on finding a new one.
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Post by: oldraven on June 29, 2005, 11:48:09 AM
Ok. Everybody has got to STOP mangling their T-birds, ok?
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Post by: Haystack on June 29, 2005, 12:38:43 PM
wow that really sucks. I vote for either a wall or a big truck.
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Post by: 5.0willgo on June 29, 2005, 12:42:39 PM
Wow, smack a guardrail?
Glad he's okay and good luck on a replacement.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on June 29, 2005, 03:22:57 PM
Glad your son's ok. Did someone tbone the Bird in the drivers fender?
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Post by: ipsd on June 29, 2005, 07:25:23 PM
that really sucks man. I guess you shouldn't have let him drive it. Glad he's ok though. It really sucks to see that kind of distruction. oh well good luck on the next one.
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Post by: Bird351 on June 29, 2005, 10:15:53 PM
I'd offer to sell ya my '88 Bird or my '88 Mark.. but it would drive me nuts if pics like this popped up of one of them within a year or so.
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Post by: joefriday on June 30, 2005, 01:14:15 AM
As for the 1994 T-bird:  things to look out for are:
1.  3.8 V6 engine - drop it like it's hot
2.  4.6L V8 engine - they're the most reliable (by far) of the three engines for that year, but the 94 and 95's burn oil like it's going out of style, due to some poorly designed valve seals.  Not really an easy to replace item either; you just have to live with putting a quart in every 1,000 miles or so.  The 1996 and 97 4.6's don't have this problem, but they have a composite intake manifold that likes to explode every once and a while, shooting engine coolant all over the engine bay (or worse, straight into the cylinders of the engine).  Ford has a revised lower intake to take care of this (actually they have two, look for the one with an aluminum coolant passage that is seperate from the composite intake).

3.  Transmission - the 4R70W AOD-E's are pretty sturdy, but the 94 version suffers from a py torque converter.  Both the 1994 and 1995 versions potentially have a 1-2 shift accumulator valve that likes to go south, resulting in harsh 1st to 2nd gear upshifts.  The 1996 and 97 transmissions are much better, and suffer from no known defects AFAIK.  All the models would benefit from an aftermarket tranny cooler though, as they like to run hot.

4.  Performance - the 1994 and 1995 models have huge restrictive intakes, and virtually nothing for an aftermarket.  The 1996 and 1997 engines are a dead ringer for a 1996-1998 Stang 4.6L, so it benefits by having a tremendous amount of aftermarket performance parts available for it.  A stock 1994-1995 4.6 will run the quarter in 16 seconds flat; 1996-97's do it in 15.7 seconds.

5.  Wheels - be aware that the 5 lug pattern on the MN-12's is of the FWD type (5 and 1/4" circle), limiting the choices available for aftermarket wheels.

If it were me, I would be looking for a 1996-1997 V8 MN-12 t-bird or cougar.  They are just so much better from the factory.  If it were REALLY my decision though, I'd pony on up to a 97-98 lincoln Mark VIII LSC, and have "Hot Rod Lincoln" playing on an endless loop.  :D
Title: Re: oh f#@k and need advice
Post by: baylensman on June 30, 2005, 10:28:00 AM
may have foud a deal on an 95 lsc mkVIII $3000 and medium milage 89,000. Same deal as the 95 birds or did they get the better engine early as usual
thanks
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Post by: jkirchman on June 30, 2005, 11:26:58 AM
Might want to talk to Cougars2Go about Mark VIIIs before you buy one.
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Post by: doodaa on June 30, 2005, 12:26:33 PM
Quote from: baylensman
may have foud a deal on an 95 lsc mkVIII $3000 and medium milage 89,000. Same deal as the 95 birds or did they get the better engine early as usual
thanks


Better engine.... yup all years starting in 93. :D

Check this before you buy... http://www.markviii.org/psjs_faqs/09298819.shtml Pay attention to the headlights... a real 95 LSC (late production) will have HIDs but they seem to be very rare.


After you buy... http://www.markviii.org/psjs_faqs/index.shtml and then join us on the message board.
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Post by: joefriday on June 30, 2005, 12:39:58 PM
MkVIII's have a 32 valve Intech 4.6L V8; basically a detuned and not- as-beefed-up 96-98 Cobra engine.  This 32 valve, DOHC wonder makes around 270-280 hp and 270 ft/lb of torque.  A 1995 SOHC 4.6 found in the T-bird and Cougar only puts out 205 hp and 270 ft/lb of torque.  Add in the fact that the mark VIII gets an aluminum driveshaft from the factory, and as far as I know it isn't speed limited at 105 mph like the Birds and Cougars were for those years.  The transmisions on the Mark VIII were a bit better than those of the Bird and Cougar for 1995:  a Mark VIII received a better converter with a higher stall.  One cool thing about the Mark VIII's is its air ride suspension.  If you don't like the ride height, you don't need to install lowering springs like a regular car, just modify the air bag pressure sensor, and it will put less pressure in the bags, thereby lowering the car for you!  It's something that can be changed back to stock for those longer jaunts on the interstate too.

I just like the 97-98 versions better b/c in those years they got HID headlamps and NEON tail lights from the factory, but a 1995 model will be pretty dependable.  The biggest drawback to any Mark VIII is that the engine "requires" premium fuel.  It has a knock sensor, and with a light foot you could probably get by running mid-grade 89.

Joe
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Post by: joefriday on June 30, 2005, 12:53:05 PM
Hey Baylensman, I think Ronnie (Chrome302jr) could use that passenger side molding with integrated corner light.
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Post by: Ifixyawata on June 30, 2005, 01:27:16 PM
Quote from: jkirchman
Might want to talk to Cougars2Go about Mark VIIIs before you buy one.


Heh... I'm not sure his experiences were 100% typical, but something to look at before you buy, definitely.
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Post by: jkirchman on June 30, 2005, 01:35:58 PM
Yeah you're right.  I think his Mark VIII was built at around 4:30 on the Friday before Memorial day weekend.
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Post by: baylensman on July 01, 2005, 09:39:20 AM
update he washiznit by a truck. Pulled out from an obstructed veiw stop sign in a residentail area the guy was flying. My kid mis-judged his traffic gap and got creamed.
quick question though as we will be sharing the next car also i need something with enough headroom for a 6'6" teenager who is still growing. I modified the seat tracks on the bird for leg room, he had enough head room. Looked at an LSC MKVIII and his head hit the roof. anyone every lower a seat? Any other tall drivers out thre have any suggestions
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Post by: Ifixyawata on July 01, 2005, 10:53:22 AM
Was the power adjustment on the seat in the mark all the way down?
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Post by: pro-five-oh on July 01, 2005, 11:54:20 AM
Mark VIIIs don't require premium.  They have a knock sensor for regular.

Have put regular in both my '93 and my '95 LSC. And there were few (probably none) in 1995 that came with HIDs.  I added HIDs to mine, made a world of difference.
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Post by: doodaa on July 01, 2005, 01:54:34 PM
Quote from: baylensman
update he washiznit by a truck. Pulled out from an obstructed veiw stop sign in a residentail area the guy was flying. My kid mis-judged his traffic gap and got creamed.
quick question though as we will be sharing the next car also i need something with enough headroom for a 6'6" teenager who is still growing. I modified the seat tracks on the bird for leg room, he had enough head room. Looked at an LSC MKVIII and his head hit the roof. anyone every lower a seat? Any other tall drivers out thre have any suggestions


I'm not sure where I read it but I think there's a pin at the back of the seat track that can be repositioned for an additional inch or so of travel... should get him a little more headroom.

edit - Here it is http://www.mn12performance.com/mn12how-to/power-seat/power-seat.htm
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Post by: joefriday on July 01, 2005, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: pro-five-oh
Mark VIIIs don't require premium. They have a knock sensor for regular.


That's akin to saying that because your truck has four wheel drive, you don't have to worry about bad weather conditions.  :bs:
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on July 01, 2005, 10:24:12 PM
My Nephew is 6'5", I redrilled the tracks in his Mustang to gain approx 1 1/2" rearward travel. With it all the way back I feel like I'm the back seat, but he's still a bit cramped. I'm 6 ft, but that boy is all legs....