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Title: Oil Filters
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 14, 2014, 01:01:48 PM
Ok
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: Haystack on March 14, 2014, 01:07:20 PM
Wish you the best tom.

I've been running Bosch or ford motorcraft on my junk. working on getting my new engine off the stand after 10 years. I'm hopping it doesn't eat oil. guess ill have to start doing oil changes again once I get it going.
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: QUICKSHIFT on March 14, 2014, 06:54:52 PM
Hey Tom ,make sure you take time to heal.......health first!  When you're bored, you can take any left over Fram products you have along with a baseball bat and have some fun!  :beatyoass:
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 14, 2014, 07:39:46 PM
Thanks
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: T-BirdX3 on March 14, 2014, 07:55:56 PM
Send them to me, I'll gladly use them! :)
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: V8Demon on March 14, 2014, 08:34:38 PM
Never had any fuel filter issues, but I can say this.  when checked via an oil pressure gauge screwed into the sending unit port, a Fram filter showed 3 PSI LESS than a Mobil One filter.  Both tests had the same brand and weight oil.  Running a K&N right now.  I may try a Royal Purple in the future....
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: STANG8U on March 14, 2014, 08:46:26 PM
Good to hear your in better Health 

And good to know about fram

Never had a problem with the oil filters but sill stopped useing them a long time ago . guess its time to stop using the fuel filters also
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 14, 2014, 09:12:34 PM
Thank
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: mcb82gt on March 14, 2014, 09:13:06 PM
Any vehicle I care about, I dont use Fram.  I usually use Wix fuel filters, never had any problems.  I change them pretty regular/frequent though. 

My  06 Silverado, dont get me started on the in-tank filter design.  I hope it holds up, first one Ive had with that.

Any experience on longevity with those Tom?
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 14, 2014, 09:38:19 PM
Yes
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: jcassity on March 15, 2014, 02:07:12 AM
well ,, one day we are gonna resort to some old school filters back in the model t days.
unscrew the cap, put a roll of toilet paper in, screw the cap back on.  basically a can with a lid and the filter inside.

we cant trust anything anymore it appears.
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: Haystack on March 15, 2014, 05:02:08 AM
When my buddy bought my tbird, it got horrible gas mileage. The fuel filter was actually rusted through. I doubt very many people ever change the fuel filter, especially once the warranty runs out.
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: tbolt64 on March 15, 2014, 05:58:42 AM
I worked 15 years in a parts store on a part-time basis and I saw two Fram oil filters brought to me with the filter element loose for street driven applications, two different part numbers if I recall. However when I was racing mini stock I saw a THREE racing engines (two 2000cc Pinto engines and one 2300cc Lima engines) killed by PH8A filters. All of those engines had 6 quart oil pans and high volume pumps and ran in the 8000 RPM range and all of those engines sucked the filter element through the filter and stopped up into the engine.

Fram is bad JuJu.
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: Chooglin on March 15, 2014, 07:57:15 AM
Someone needs to contact Mr. Edelbrock and let him know about these "bad " filters , he uses them on his crate engines !!!
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/crate_engines/ford_performer_438.shtml
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 15, 2014, 01:04:50 PM
Quote from: Chooglin;430589
Someone needs to contact Mr. Edelbrock and let him know about these "bad " filters , he uses them on his crate engines !!!
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/crate_engines/ford_performer_438.shtml


All this anti Fram stuff is mostly carried over from some filter dissembles close to 20 years ago, now days little of it applies...

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/eating-crow-fram-oil-filters-my-visit-frams-r-d-facility-dayton-ohio-1261517/

http://www.fram.com/oil-filters/all-oil-filters.aspx
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: Haystack on March 15, 2014, 04:30:41 PM
I disagree.

My dad had me over one night after getting his oil changed on his van at jiffy lube. this was less then two years ago. his van was making top end noise constantly. I saw the ph8a fram filter on there. I pulled a motorcraft fl1a out of my trunk and traded the filter out without adding any oil or anything. When it fired up it sounded much better instantly.

Unfortunately my dad didn't listen to me about getting his oil changed there or using the correct oem filter. vans been sitting in the driveway because it makes so much noise now when you fire it up, it won't be long till something lets go.after having similar experiences over the years, ill stick to my $3 motorcraft filter over the $5 fram that I've SEEN hurt engines.

I may just make a video the show my point.I've got a fram oil filter on my tbird. never bothered changing it out in the 80k I've owned it. engine makes lifter noise on start up just like my dads low mile van did. ill bet with an oil filter change, it will sound fine. eats enough oil as it is with 250k miles of hard use, I see an oil change as more of a formality.
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 15, 2014, 06:35:48 PM
So how hard is it to crawl under the van to swap it out??? Till you prove another filter fixes the rattle, it's all supposition...

The OCD(orange can of death) bottom of the line Frams aren't a premium filter by a long shot...

Now I don't really disbelieve you, as I've had Purolator & Mobil 1 filters do same, both within a few days of last oil change(engines were 4.6)... I pulled them off and installed Motorcraft, all was good again... The Mobil 1 is a highly rated filter and two prior had no issues, third one surely wasn't the charm... I've heard other complaints on the Purolators, their quality appears to be slipping as well...
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: Haystack on March 15, 2014, 09:05:14 PM
They used the "tough guard", the heavy duty $5 filter with the black  on the end. not the super cheap one, but not the most expensive one.

I know sooner or later someone's gonna give me  for not changing my oil, but the car eats 1-2 quarts a tank, leaks all over the driveway, and truth be told, I've been trying to blow it up. ever since I put the t-5 in, I almost always redlined it in 1st, every time I went anywhere. It didn't blow up, but I got a lot of things that need fixed, including motor mounts and steering rack. I plan to pull the engine and fix all that stuff and put my new block in with some goodies and some type of engine limiter to keep the mounts in place, or maybe get some chuckw mounts when the time comes.

The van, its an old 91 e250 hd with a 460. We are probably just going to get rid of it, as its not worth the 10mpg max we got out of it at best. my own honest opinion is that the cam lobes are probably wiped out since my dad only threw cheap oil at it. he also decided his dip stick was wrong and just kept dumping oil in it till it got quiet. its blown all kinds of seals and  now.
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 15, 2014, 11:03:44 PM
I do
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: MechanicMatt on March 18, 2014, 10:17:38 PM
My Nephew (20), is a typical young mustang nut.  Drives his poor little car too hard too often.  Its a 89 with a anemic 2.3, yeah sad I know.  Anyway last night he locked it up driving home from work.  We found another engine and Im gonna drop it in saturday.  But...........I popped his hood and took a peek, fram filter.  Now I know it probably had NOTHING to do with it, more like the 20 year old that beats on it.  But Im gonna have to cut open that fram and see whats going on.  Kid wanted in the worst way to swap a 5.0 in it untill I named all the other parts he'd have to locate too.
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: V8Demon on March 19, 2014, 09:14:52 AM
Would be cheaper to swap in a turbo 2.3 then a 5.0.  From your synopsis, it sounds as if he may not yet be ready for that though.
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 19, 2014, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: MechanicMatt;430822
My Nephew (20), is a typical young mustang nut.  Drives his poor little car too hard too often.  Its a 89 with a anemic 2.3, yeah sad I know.  Anyway last night he locked it up driving home from work.  We found another engine and Im gonna drop it in saturday.  But...........I popped his hood and took a peek, fram filter.  Now I know it probably had NOTHING to do with it, more like the 20 year old that beats on it.  But Im gonna have to cut open that fram and see whats going on.  Kid wanted in the worst way to swap a 5.0 in it untill I named all the other parts he'd have to locate too.


My guess is there is a lack of oil in the pan...
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: thunderjet302 on March 19, 2014, 03:03:33 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;430835
My guess is there is a lack of oil in the pan...

What you mean people with leaky old cars don't check the oil level regularly and blow engines? Never ;)
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: MechanicMatt on March 19, 2014, 07:34:10 PM
V8, Its funny you say this, I found a xr4ti right down the road from his apartment.  Left a note for the owner to see if he was interested in parting with it.  Body is rough to say it nicely but it is still registered so hopefully a runner.  I know they have a turbo 2.3 but are they intercooled like the svo and 87-88 turbo coupes?  And will the clutch pedal assembly swap over?  Or do I need to find a fox three pedal kit?  Do merkur's use a cable or hydraulic for the clutch?  Guy hasn't called so probably not interested in parting with it, but hey can still dream.
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: MechanicMatt on March 19, 2014, 07:35:56 PM
His oil level was actually good, looked like glitter past but level was good.
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: mcb82gt on March 19, 2014, 08:53:29 PM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;430577
Yes those in tank filters are big and they are pretty reliable. The chevy pumps are fairly reliable also. The tank is not that bad to remove if necessary. Normally they will go well past a hundred thousand. . 06 Silvie i want one so bad. maybe this year. Great tow vehicle and LS powered. great truck.


Mine is a 1500hd, it has the gas drinking 6.0/4l80e  Boy will it scoot when you want it too though.
Title: Oil Filters
Post by: MechanicMatt on March 19, 2014, 10:08:18 PM
And 8 lug axles.  I love the 1500HD.  I work at a GM dealer, that is one of my favorite combos.