Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Potatrix on March 02, 2014, 01:14:43 AM
Post by: Potatrix on March 02, 2014, 01:14:43 AM
Hello all,
Some backstory..
I've recently been in the market for a new car: My '91 GTA isn't fit for harsh conditions up here in Washington, and my '81 Caprice Classic (while working fine) is pretty run down.
So after some hunting on Craigslist I found an '85 T-Bird in my area (302 V8). I'm a big fan of driving around American Steel, and the awesome sound of the 5.0 engine (my dad has an '89 Mustang GT 5.0 and I just love the sound it makes, though I believe the engines are a tad different in both cars).
Now Down to Business..
Here are the details: http://bellingham.craigslist.org/cto/4286600608.html
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Asking Price: [/COLOR]$3500
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Odometer: [/COLOR]89,5xx
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Engine:[/COLOR] 302 V8
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Details:[/COLOR] According to the seller it's lived in a garage for quite a bit of its life. After sending a few e-mail queries about it, he tells me he bought it from the original owner, an older woman, in 2004 (at which point it only had 29,000 miles).
The main work he's had done on it since owning it was: "Water pump, all brakes replaced, New radiator, tires, head gasket, heater core, distributor cap and rotor, full tune up. Those are the main ones and were done about 80,000 miles. "
He also claims the interior is like new.
Concerns:
He also mentioned: "Has one light ding in the rear bumper and one small spot of rust that needs sanding and touch up paint. Both of which were on car when i purchased it."
Now, due to the inclement weather, he hasn't been able to take it out to take more pictures, and I haven't been able to schedule a time to go over there and look it over. I also don't know much about these T-Birds, or what I should look out for, what they are worth, etc.
So, with all of that, I have a few questions:
What are some things I should look out for when I go to take a look at this car whenever I do?
Can anyone who owns a T-Bird of this year tell me about their experiences with the car?(with the V8) Was it love at first drive??
Does this car seem like a steal? Or could I get one in similar condition at a better price?
Bonus!: He mentioned the car " has a unique paint job with 2 tone and red pinstriping." Anyone know about the uniqueness of this particular paint? Maybe a picture of a T-bird with similar paint?
Thanks a lot!!
-Possible future T-Bird Owner
Some backstory..
I've recently been in the market for a new car: My '91 GTA isn't fit for harsh conditions up here in Washington, and my '81 Caprice Classic (while working fine) is pretty run down.
So after some hunting on Craigslist I found an '85 T-Bird in my area (302 V8). I'm a big fan of driving around American Steel, and the awesome sound of the 5.0 engine (my dad has an '89 Mustang GT 5.0 and I just love the sound it makes, though I believe the engines are a tad different in both cars).
Now Down to Business..
Here are the details: http://bellingham.craigslist.org/cto/4286600608.html
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Asking Price: [/COLOR]$3500
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Odometer: [/COLOR]89,5xx
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Engine:[/COLOR] 302 V8
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Details:[/COLOR] According to the seller it's lived in a garage for quite a bit of its life. After sending a few e-mail queries about it, he tells me he bought it from the original owner, an older woman, in 2004 (at which point it only had 29,000 miles).
The main work he's had done on it since owning it was: "Water pump, all brakes replaced, New radiator, tires, head gasket, heater core, distributor cap and rotor, full tune up. Those are the main ones and were done about 80,000 miles. "
He also claims the interior is like new.
Concerns:
He also mentioned: "Has one light ding in the rear bumper and one small spot of rust that needs sanding and touch up paint. Both of which were on car when i purchased it."
Now, due to the inclement weather, he hasn't been able to take it out to take more pictures, and I haven't been able to schedule a time to go over there and look it over. I also don't know much about these T-Birds, or what I should look out for, what they are worth, etc.
So, with all of that, I have a few questions:
What are some things I should look out for when I go to take a look at this car whenever I do?
Can anyone who owns a T-Bird of this year tell me about their experiences with the car?(with the V8) Was it love at first drive??
Does this car seem like a steal? Or could I get one in similar condition at a better price?
Bonus!: He mentioned the car " has a unique paint job with 2 tone and red pinstriping." Anyone know about the uniqueness of this particular paint? Maybe a picture of a T-bird with similar paint?
Thanks a lot!!
-Possible future T-Bird Owner
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Potatrix on March 02, 2014, 04:25:12 AM
Post by: Potatrix on March 02, 2014, 04:25:12 AM
I'll post more pictures when I go down to see it. Stay tuned!
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: dragon574444 on March 02, 2014, 07:43:33 AM
Post by: dragon574444 on March 02, 2014, 07:43:33 AM
Check out this link for common rust areas: http://www.foxthundercats.net/foxhunter.htm
Other than that, just look for the normal things, make sure it sounds good, starts fine cold, check the fluids, etc. The car looks clean from the picture, I don't think you'll have any problems. The heater core being replaced is a good deal, assuming it was replaced with an OEM unit. It's one of the most dreaded repairs on these cars from a labor stand point. Kinda odd that the head gasket was replaced, it's definitely not a common failure on the 5.0 cars. In fact, I've never heard anyone with a 5.0 say they blew a head gasket. Not a part someone willingly replaces as preventative maintenance. Just something to keep in mind.
Love at first drive? For me it certainly was, I loved my car the second I sat in it. But it was also my first car, so I'm a bit biased. This car...won't be very fast compared to your dad's GT, nor compared to your GTA. It's a heavier car with a less powerful engine. Stock we're probably talking 140-150 horsepower. It's an 85, so I'm pretty sure it's a CFI motor like my 84. Basically it's throttle body injection, similar to the system GM used. 2 big injectors on a throttle body instead of 8 individual injectors. Personally, I've daily driven my CFI car for 2 years as my only means of transportation, and it's been great. The only time it left me stranded was when the voltage regulator died. In the middle of Providence, Rhode Island. Anyway, you can definitely upgrade to get more power out of the engine, it should be a roller block. Fast as your wallet will let you really. Based on your taste in cars I'm sure you're willing to wrench on it. So with all that said, the car won't be fast, but it'll ride very nice. Very comfortable seats, almost guarantee they'll be powered. Windows, mirrors, and locks are also almost always powered. Make sure they work, but they're very easy and cheap to replace. The steering effort is very light, shifts should be nice and smooth with the 4 speed AOD transmission, no road noise to speak of. Great car to go on a road trip. It'll certainly break the wheels loose, especially if you swap in a T5 like I have. Even with the 140 HP, she'll still roast 'em through 1st, 2nd, and chirp into 3rd.
Does this car seem like a steal? No, you're actually on the high end of the spectrum for these cars. If it's as nice as it looks, I'd say it's worth 3500, given the low miles. 3K would be better. These just cars aren't worth much at all, they never got the following the Mustangs did.The Turbo Coupes are worth a bit more than the V8 models, given their rarity. Fewer were made, they were more expensive from the facory, and a lot of them ended up as parts cars due to their standard equipment.
The paint scheme appears to be factory. Not sure how rare it is though, someone more knowledgeable than me would know.
Check out this site for more detailed information on these cars. It's directed towards the Cougar, but 95% of the information still applies. Cougar is to Thunderbird as Camaro is to Firebird.
http://www.coolcats.net/fox/1985colors.html
Looking forward to seeing more pics, let us know how it turns out.
Other than that, just look for the normal things, make sure it sounds good, starts fine cold, check the fluids, etc. The car looks clean from the picture, I don't think you'll have any problems. The heater core being replaced is a good deal, assuming it was replaced with an OEM unit. It's one of the most dreaded repairs on these cars from a labor stand point. Kinda odd that the head gasket was replaced, it's definitely not a common failure on the 5.0 cars. In fact, I've never heard anyone with a 5.0 say they blew a head gasket. Not a part someone willingly replaces as preventative maintenance. Just something to keep in mind.
Love at first drive? For me it certainly was, I loved my car the second I sat in it. But it was also my first car, so I'm a bit biased. This car...won't be very fast compared to your dad's GT, nor compared to your GTA. It's a heavier car with a less powerful engine. Stock we're probably talking 140-150 horsepower. It's an 85, so I'm pretty sure it's a CFI motor like my 84. Basically it's throttle body injection, similar to the system GM used. 2 big injectors on a throttle body instead of 8 individual injectors. Personally, I've daily driven my CFI car for 2 years as my only means of transportation, and it's been great. The only time it left me stranded was when the voltage regulator died. In the middle of Providence, Rhode Island. Anyway, you can definitely upgrade to get more power out of the engine, it should be a roller block. Fast as your wallet will let you really. Based on your taste in cars I'm sure you're willing to wrench on it. So with all that said, the car won't be fast, but it'll ride very nice. Very comfortable seats, almost guarantee they'll be powered. Windows, mirrors, and locks are also almost always powered. Make sure they work, but they're very easy and cheap to replace. The steering effort is very light, shifts should be nice and smooth with the 4 speed AOD transmission, no road noise to speak of. Great car to go on a road trip. It'll certainly break the wheels loose, especially if you swap in a T5 like I have. Even with the 140 HP, she'll still roast 'em through 1st, 2nd, and chirp into 3rd.
Does this car seem like a steal? No, you're actually on the high end of the spectrum for these cars. If it's as nice as it looks, I'd say it's worth 3500, given the low miles. 3K would be better. These just cars aren't worth much at all, they never got the following the Mustangs did.The Turbo Coupes are worth a bit more than the V8 models, given their rarity. Fewer were made, they were more expensive from the facory, and a lot of them ended up as parts cars due to their standard equipment.
The paint scheme appears to be factory. Not sure how rare it is though, someone more knowledgeable than me would know.
Check out this site for more detailed information on these cars. It's directed towards the Cougar, but 95% of the information still applies. Cougar is to Thunderbird as Camaro is to Firebird.
http://www.coolcats.net/fox/1985colors.html
Looking forward to seeing more pics, let us know how it turns out.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 02, 2014, 10:07:10 AM
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 02, 2014, 10:07:10 AM
Be sure to check the front frame rails and inner fenders (strut towers) for rust too, as those are bad areas (difficult to fix, and structural). Pay particular attention to the areas adjacent to the exhaust manifolds, as the heat in this area seems to accelerate rust.
I would be leery about the paint scheme as well - it is not a factory combo (no factory combo ever brought the lower colour up around the wheel wells). In fact a paint scheme like that is frequently used to cover rust repair, as it's easier to paint it a different colour than to try to blend a repair in on an existing panel. Also, where is that small rust spot? Depending on where it is it could be an easy repair (door bottom, lower fender, etc) or it could be a pig (around lower edge of rear window, or the seam where the rocker panel meets the quarter panel). And no matter what he says, that "small bit of surface rust" is almost certainly worse than it looks. Be sure to check that out.
$3500 is getting to be fair money for one of these cars in really good condition. It's not a steal, nor is it "all the money in the world", but the emphasis is on "in really good condition".
I would be leery about the paint scheme as well - it is not a factory combo (no factory combo ever brought the lower colour up around the wheel wells). In fact a paint scheme like that is frequently used to cover rust repair, as it's easier to paint it a different colour than to try to blend a repair in on an existing panel. Also, where is that small rust spot? Depending on where it is it could be an easy repair (door bottom, lower fender, etc) or it could be a pig (around lower edge of rear window, or the seam where the rocker panel meets the quarter panel). And no matter what he says, that "small bit of surface rust" is almost certainly worse than it looks. Be sure to check that out.
$3500 is getting to be fair money for one of these cars in really good condition. It's not a steal, nor is it "all the money in the world", but the emphasis is on "in really good condition".
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: ringosc on March 02, 2014, 10:53:04 AM
Post by: ringosc on March 02, 2014, 10:53:04 AM
Look into the trunk where the spare tire sits and look for rust there as well both off mine have it in those spots. The engine are some what the same as the 5.0 in ur dads GT. If you change out your heads and a few other things u could possibly get close to the same power. It looks like a good car my dad has an 86 and I love it and I have 2 turbo coupes my self. Just be a normal buyer for it. Look around the car, underneath on the frame rails how clean the interior is. Its your first thunderbird then treat the buy like your first car. But remember though these thunderbirds are not meant for winter so idk how Washington is but in Illinois its bad right now.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 02, 2014, 10:55:26 AM
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 02, 2014, 10:55:26 AM
Looks nice but in comparison to this 71K mi '87 Cougar just purchased for $2K, it's over priced...
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?37112-1987-Cougar-XR-7-Thoughts-opinions-feedback-please
Being CFI, it'd have to be real cheap before I'd consider it...
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?37112-1987-Cougar-XR-7-Thoughts-opinions-feedback-please
Being CFI, it'd have to be real cheap before I'd consider it...
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Haystack on March 02, 2014, 11:55:16 AM
Post by: Haystack on March 02, 2014, 11:55:16 AM
X2.
You have work ahead of you if you plan on upgrades. double check for rust.
You have work ahead of you if you plan on upgrades. double check for rust.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Potatrix on March 02, 2014, 05:23:55 PM
Post by: Potatrix on March 02, 2014, 05:23:55 PM
Thanks a lot dragon for the info on the rust spots! I'll keep these in mind
For some more context about my situation maybe some of you will have more advice about what I should do, I'm sort of just looking for another daily driver (my Caprice is REALLY... eh), but this will also be my FIRST actual car.
My dad wanted my brother and I to have a V8 in High School, so he bought us the GTA to serve that purpose.. It's a HOT car, but it's a pain in the ass as a daily (sits really low which is bad for speed bumps, and I generally feel stressed having to baby it wherever I go to keep it in good shape).
So I'm not really looking for another fast car, or expecting this car to perform nearly as well, I just can't see myself driving a boring KIA around, and I love me an American V8, and that 5.0 sound (music to my ears). I've also have a secret dream to drive American V8 cars for the rest of my life
We're really a car family, but I don't actually tinker with cars myself real often, but I'd like my first car to be something unique that I can have pride over, and something to START tinkering with, and these T-birds are definitely unique
I don't really care much for all the electronics and gizmos (though I think the electronic gauge clusters are pretty tight), and I'd probably try to keep it as stock as possible, which is why I'm hoping this car is in great shape so I can keep it that way or improve it (I DO like those 5.0 badges though.. >_>)
My brother got his first car a few years back, an '84 VW Scirocco, and he's definitely fallen in love with it and has become quite the 'car tinkerer'. He's part of a few VW communities now and suggested that I join one for more info.
It's also because of his love and knowledge of VW's that I'm sort of drawn to getting one myself, he claims they are pretty easy to work with, and I've been wanting to get a stick shift too. And depending on how high-maintenance these T-birds are, maybe a VW would suit me better?
So some more questions:
1. Are these cars pretty easy to maintain?
-I'd imagine this probably depends on the power plant.
2. Do you think this would be a suitable car to fit my needs? (i.e. fixable, lovable, drivable)
-fixable, lovable, driveable are really my 'need-to's' for my first car, but what's on the line here is can I find this with a unique American V8 car such as this year of T-Bird? Or do I have to play it safe with a common VW buzzbox?
I guess what I'm really asking is what would I be getting myself into? Am I looking at a Delorean-style American classic (Unique, collectible, breaks a lot) or something rugged and completely viable as a daily commute?
I understand this sort of goes beyond the questions about this particular car, and this car could definitely be a bust depending on what I find, but I'm starting to really like these cars.
Thanks a lot for all of your help!
For some more context about my situation maybe some of you will have more advice about what I should do, I'm sort of just looking for another daily driver (my Caprice is REALLY... eh), but this will also be my FIRST actual car.
My dad wanted my brother and I to have a V8 in High School, so he bought us the GTA to serve that purpose.. It's a HOT car, but it's a pain in the ass as a daily (sits really low which is bad for speed bumps, and I generally feel stressed having to baby it wherever I go to keep it in good shape).
So I'm not really looking for another fast car, or expecting this car to perform nearly as well, I just can't see myself driving a boring KIA around, and I love me an American V8, and that 5.0 sound (music to my ears). I've also have a secret dream to drive American V8 cars for the rest of my life
We're really a car family, but I don't actually tinker with cars myself real often, but I'd like my first car to be something unique that I can have pride over, and something to START tinkering with, and these T-birds are definitely unique
I don't really care much for all the electronics and gizmos (though I think the electronic gauge clusters are pretty tight), and I'd probably try to keep it as stock as possible, which is why I'm hoping this car is in great shape so I can keep it that way or improve it (I DO like those 5.0 badges though.. >_>)
My brother got his first car a few years back, an '84 VW Scirocco, and he's definitely fallen in love with it and has become quite the 'car tinkerer'. He's part of a few VW communities now and suggested that I join one for more info.
It's also because of his love and knowledge of VW's that I'm sort of drawn to getting one myself, he claims they are pretty easy to work with, and I've been wanting to get a stick shift too. And depending on how high-maintenance these T-birds are, maybe a VW would suit me better?
So some more questions:
1. Are these cars pretty easy to maintain?
-I'd imagine this probably depends on the power plant.
2. Do you think this would be a suitable car to fit my needs? (i.e. fixable, lovable, drivable)
-fixable, lovable, driveable are really my 'need-to's' for my first car, but what's on the line here is can I find this with a unique American V8 car such as this year of T-Bird? Or do I have to play it safe with a common VW buzzbox?
I guess what I'm really asking is what would I be getting myself into? Am I looking at a Delorean-style American classic (Unique, collectible, breaks a lot) or something rugged and completely viable as a daily commute?
I understand this sort of goes beyond the questions about this particular car, and this car could definitely be a bust depending on what I find, but I'm starting to really like these cars.
Thanks a lot for all of your help!
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: ISTLCRUZ on March 02, 2014, 06:04:14 PM
Post by: ISTLCRUZ on March 02, 2014, 06:04:14 PM
I agree that the price is a little high...I personally don't see it selling for the asking price...The car looks good in the pic but make sure to check it out REALLY good and make him an offer. Just a warning these cars can be addictive (lol) . Good luck and keep us posted.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Haystack on March 02, 2014, 06:29:57 PM
Post by: Haystack on March 02, 2014, 06:29:57 PM
I personally would steer clear of the cfi motors.
The 86's look nearly identical but have sefi. you should be able to get 25mpg + freeway, really comfortable, and very dependable and relatively easy to maintain. my shopping list is generally a 86-88 5.0 cougar or tbird, I have never owned a 88efi 3.8, but I would definitely consider one if you don't plan on modding it without an engine swap.
The 86's look nearly identical but have sefi. you should be able to get 25mpg + freeway, really comfortable, and very dependable and relatively easy to maintain. my shopping list is generally a 86-88 5.0 cougar or tbird, I have never owned a 88efi 3.8, but I would definitely consider one if you don't plan on modding it without an engine swap.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 02, 2014, 07:32:45 PM
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 02, 2014, 07:32:45 PM
If you're looking for something reliable that doesn't require a lot of maintenance, stay the hell away from VW!!! I say this as a former mechanic at a used car shop who has quite a bit of experience working on 'em.
A T-Bird should be dead-nuts reliable, but the problem you will run into is a lack of replacement parts availability. Major components and maintenance items are still available because these cars share their DNA with Mustangs, but T-Bird specific stuff is gonna be hard to find. This is true for any classic car, but these ones in particular seem to be ignored by the aftermarket
A T-Bird should be dead-nuts reliable, but the problem you will run into is a lack of replacement parts availability. Major components and maintenance items are still available because these cars share their DNA with Mustangs, but T-Bird specific stuff is gonna be hard to find. This is true for any classic car, but these ones in particular seem to be ignored by the aftermarket
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: 1BadBird on March 02, 2014, 07:39:22 PM
Post by: 1BadBird on March 02, 2014, 07:39:22 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;429928
A T-Bird should be dead-nuts reliable, but the problem you will run into is a lack of replacement parts availability. Major components and maintenance items are still available because these cars share their DNA with Mustangs, but T-Bird specific stuff is gonna be hard to find. This is true for any classic car, but these ones in particular are completely ignored by the aftermarket
There all fixed ;)
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: My10-80 on March 03, 2014, 12:19:48 AM
Post by: My10-80 on March 03, 2014, 12:19:48 AM
Quote from: ISTLCRUZ;429923
I agree that the price is a little high...I personally don't see it selling for the asking price...The car looks good in the pic but make sure to check it out REALLY good and make him an offer. Just a warning these cars can be addictive (lol) . Good luck and keep us posted.
Darn right they can be addictive. We now have 4 birds in our stable. so be careful or you'll catch the bug too!
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: dragon574444 on March 03, 2014, 12:30:41 AM
Post by: dragon574444 on March 03, 2014, 12:30:41 AM
Quote from: Potatrix;429921
Am I looking at a Delorean-style American classic (Unique, collectible, breaks a lot) or something rugged and completely viable as a daily commute?
The latter, for sure. Plenty of us here daily drive, or have daily driven these cars for years with no problems. As for wanting a stick, these cars will accept a T5 transmission from any 79-93 Mustang with no problems. I switched from a column shift auto to the T5 in a weekend, and drove it to work on Monday. These are great cars to work on, and easy to learn on. I knew absolutely nothing about cars until my dad came home from work one day and said, "I think I found your first car. It's a Thunderbird, wanna go see it?" I've done 100% of the work on my car using my own 2 hands, and on a minimum wage paycheck. It's a great feeling knowing your car literally inside and out, it gives you an appreciation for what you have.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Haystack on March 03, 2014, 12:38:55 AM
Post by: Haystack on March 03, 2014, 12:38:55 AM
X2. I've basically only driven these cars for the last 10 years. ill bet I've got over a million miles between them, most with very little work.
I swapped a t-5 in my bird march of last year. I've put over 50k miles a figure on it. its sitting at about 250k right now. its been in at least 5 states, including a 1350 mile straight trip within 20 miles of the Canadian boarder. but you have to take care of things as they come up, just basic maintenance and you should be fine.
They are addictive though. I've had 3 86 5.0 cougars, 2 87 3.8's, and 3 87 birds.
I swapped a t-5 in my bird march of last year. I've put over 50k miles a figure on it. its sitting at about 250k right now. its been in at least 5 states, including a 1350 mile straight trip within 20 miles of the Canadian boarder. but you have to take care of things as they come up, just basic maintenance and you should be fine.
They are addictive though. I've had 3 86 5.0 cougars, 2 87 3.8's, and 3 87 birds.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Potatrix on March 03, 2014, 02:33:48 AM
Post by: Potatrix on March 03, 2014, 02:33:48 AM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;429928
A T-Bird should be dead-nuts reliable
Quote from: My10-80;429942
Darn right they can be addictive. We now have 4 birds in our stable. so be careful or you'll catch the bug too!
This was sort of what I was hoping for!
Quote from: Haystack;429926
I personally would steer clear of the cfi motors.
Are the CFI motors really such a pain? Maybe I should so some research on this.
I like the sound of swapping a T5 in.. It's nice to know I have some options thanks to similarities with the Mustang
If it really is a reliable car, has such low miles, 'like-new' interior, and minimal rust, I feel like it would probably be worth $3500
But I agree that the there's probably more to this rust spot he mentioned.. I'll make sure to check the vital spots,
and thanks again dragon for the info on the headgasket being a rare fix.. It does sound a bit fishy, maybe he had a little too much fun with it when he owned it? Also that paint going up around the wheel wells is definitely suspicious and NOT factory.. (though I kind of like the look, I'll have to check it for rust) Based on his E-mails he seems like a pretty big fan of the car
[COLOR="#FF0000"]I'll definitely take plenty of photos and maybe even video if I can...[/COLOR] and hopefully the guy won't think I'm a nut
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Maybe you clever s will pick up something that I don't[/COLOR]
I'm sure you all would like to see as many pictures of it as I can get anyways
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Haystack on March 03, 2014, 03:21:22 AM
Post by: Haystack on March 03, 2014, 03:21:22 AM
The cfi motors aren't bad, but they have a lot of specific parts and are harder.to trouble shoot.
The sefi motors are easily fixed, and almost all sensors are the same for sefi motors, giving you a lot better chance of troubleshooting and finding parts. there are a couple cfi whiz's here though.
I really respect that your reading and taking advice from everyone here. I think your gonna do fine. go with your gut. if the car looks and feels good, go for it. if it doesn't, don't.
The sefi motors are easily fixed, and almost all sensors are the same for sefi motors, giving you a lot better chance of troubleshooting and finding parts. there are a couple cfi whiz's here though.
I really respect that your reading and taking advice from everyone here. I think your gonna do fine. go with your gut. if the car looks and feels good, go for it. if it doesn't, don't.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: jandmmustangs on March 03, 2014, 07:31:28 AM
Post by: jandmmustangs on March 03, 2014, 07:31:28 AM
Not to dissuade you from a V8 car but 3500 will buy you a nice 87-88 turbo coupe. Also here's a link to an 88 5.0 bird in the same price range as the one you're looking at.
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/4275656270.html
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/4275656270.html
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Haystack on March 03, 2014, 12:32:25 PM
Post by: Haystack on March 03, 2014, 12:32:25 PM
He is in Washington/Oregon I'm guessing by the craigslist add.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: jandmmustangs on March 03, 2014, 12:56:36 PM
Post by: jandmmustangs on March 03, 2014, 12:56:36 PM
Yeah but I was showing am example of what the market holds. I enjoyed Oregon the last time I was there. If you go east of the mountains nothing really rusts.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Potatrix on March 03, 2014, 01:19:50 PM
Post by: Potatrix on March 03, 2014, 01:19:50 PM
Quote from: Haystack;429964
He is in Washington/Oregon I'm guessing by the craigslist add.
Yea this is actually a local stop for me.
Around here it rains a lot, so rust will probably be a prominent issue with cars around here.
[COLOR="#FF0000"]I found another T-Bird a little farther away[/COLOR] but still 'close'.. I'm not sure what to think of it: http://skagit.craigslist.org/cto/4270869846.html
Asking Price: $1500
Idk what the powerplant is, and it doesn't have the steering wheel I like, but it looks pretty clean based on the photos, and definitely a LOT cheaper
Do these things really go for so cheap despite looking so clean?
I'm not sure I'd be interested in anything that's not a V8, just because that sound is important to me, and I'm not sure what this one has under the hood, I'm betting it's probably a V6.
I was actually first turned to these cars because of a friend of mine who has a '87 TurboCoupe, I thought it was silly at the time but I'm starting to realize more and more how special it actually is. I just remembered he's selling it but it's not really in the best condition. Maybe I'll get some photos of it just for fun to put up on a different thread.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Haystack on March 03, 2014, 01:28:48 PM
Post by: Haystack on March 03, 2014, 01:28:48 PM
I've never paid more then $550 for one of my cars. generally they need work or would be considered a mechanics special.
Little tlc goes a long way.
Little tlc goes a long way.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: dragon574444 on March 03, 2014, 08:04:39 PM
Post by: dragon574444 on March 03, 2014, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: Potatrix;429969
Yea this is actually a local stop for me.
Around here it rains a lot, so rust will probably be a prominent issue with cars around here.
[COLOR="#FF0000"]I found another T-Bird a little farther away[/COLOR] but still 'close'.. I'm not sure what to think of it: http://skagit.craigslist.org/cto/4270869846.html
Asking Price: $1500
Idk what the powerplant is, and it doesn't have the steering wheel I like, but it looks pretty clean based on the photos, and definitely a LOT cheaper
Do these things really go for so cheap despite looking so clean?
I'm not sure I'd be interested in anything that's not a V8, just because that sound is important to me, and I'm not sure what this one has under the hood, I'm betting it's probably a V6.
I was actually first turned to these cars because of a friend of mine who has a '87 TurboCoupe, I thought it was silly at the time but I'm starting to realize more and more how special it actually is. I just remembered he's selling it but it's not really in the best condition. Maybe I'll get some photos of it just for fun to put up on a different thread.
That car is drool worthy. I love it, if I were closer I might actually steal it... It looks like an incredibly low optioned car, you almost never see crank windows on these cars. Crank windows, manual seats, manual parking brake release, no lighting packages, base gauge cluster, base interior...yet it has power side mirrors. Given all that, I would assume it's a V6 model. Nothing good about that engine, though someone here might disagree. It's pretty easy to swap in a V8, but I understand if you don't have the means to do that. This would be a great car to start with though, especially at that price. Can you say ultimate sleeper?
By the way, which steering wheel do you like? That particular one is 83 exclusive, but I think it also was in the 80-82 models. 84-86 have the A frame wheels, and 87-88 have the (IMO) ugliest design.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 03, 2014, 08:31:17 PM
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 03, 2014, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: dragon574444;429989
That car is drool worthy. I love it, if I were closer I might actually steal it... It looks like an incredibly low optioned car, you almost never see crank windows on these cars. Crank windows, manual seats, manual parking brake release, no lighting packages, base gauge cluster, base interior...yet it has power side mirrors. Given all that, I would assume it's a V6 model. Nothing good about that engine, though someone here might disagree. It's pretty easy to swap in a V8, but I understand if you don't have the means to do that. This would be a great car to start with though, especially at that price. Can you say ultimate sleeper?
By the way, which steering wheel do you like? That particular one is 83 exclusive, but I think it also was in the 80-82 models. 84-86 have the A frame wheels, and 87-88 have the (IMO) ugliest design.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: ISTLCRUZ on March 03, 2014, 08:50:22 PM
Post by: ISTLCRUZ on March 03, 2014, 08:50:22 PM
I agree this car has ALOT of potential. ''ASKING PRICE'' to me means make an offer that you are both happy with.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Haystack on March 03, 2014, 08:59:30 PM
Post by: Haystack on March 03, 2014, 08:59:30 PM
I like it. might be a v-8 you never know.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 03, 2014, 09:58:37 PM
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 03, 2014, 09:58:37 PM
Quote from: Haystack;429993
I like it. might be a v-8 you never know.
Agreed...
In that long list of items serviced/replaced, doesn't mention head gasket(s) and most of those POS 3.8 have had two sets by now...
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Haystack on March 03, 2014, 10:09:32 PM
Post by: Haystack on March 03, 2014, 10:09:32 PM
Wish my tax return wasn't already spent. if I had money, id take that car if you didn't. lowball the guy at $1000 and let him talk you up to $1200.
I'm not sure I've ever seen vent windows and a hand crank.
I'm not sure I've ever seen vent windows and a hand crank.
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: Potatrix on March 04, 2014, 12:23:13 AM
Post by: Potatrix on March 04, 2014, 12:23:13 AM
Well, either one of you guys bought it or someone else did, verified SOLD
I also verified it was a V6, just because I was curious
I think I might be giving this 302 T-Bird up.. 3500, even 3000 is quite pricey..
I've also started to REALLY like the cougars a bit more
I'll probably still go down to check it out but I might end up waiting on my T-bird/Cougar fantasy
I also verified it was a V6, just because I was curious
I think I might be giving this 302 T-Bird up.. 3500, even 3000 is quite pricey..
I've also started to REALLY like the cougars a bit more
I'll probably still go down to check it out but I might end up waiting on my T-bird/Cougar fantasy
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: MY83T on March 04, 2014, 12:57:18 AM
Post by: MY83T on March 04, 2014, 12:57:18 AM
Quote from: Potatrix;430012
Well, either one of you guys bought it or someone else did, verified SOLD
I also verified it was a V6, just because I was curious
I think I might be giving this 302 T-Bird up.. 3500, even 3000 is quite pricey..
I've also started to REALLY like the cougars a bit more
I'll probably still go down to check it out but I might end up waiting on my T-bird/Cougar fantasy
It's only pricey if you have certain goals in mind. If you want to mod a car then its too high. If you want a super clean, need nothing driver, $3k is not off the wall. I just paid $2k for a super clean 72K mile 87 Cougar XR-7. I plan to lightly daily drive and alternately make it a hobby car. No plans for mods. There are deals to be had, just have cash in hand and be ready to jump fast. These cars are not super popular with the masses, but the fans of these cars know the value of them, and just like i did, grab them and give them a good home. You have to remember unless you enjoy the chase for parts and like restoring a car, this is not a Mustang where you can replace 90% of a car with parts from a catalog. Thunderbird/Cougar specific trim, and parts are scarce in good condition and NOS items when found are stupid expensive, so is a solid and complete car overpriced at $3k? Depends..... if you grabbed a lesser car for 1500-2000 and have to dump in 1000 in stuff thats missing, broken or worn out, sometimes there is a value in the extra bucks spent. Not saying what you should do either way, just giving you another point of view. Welcome to the sickness......good luck finding your dream Fox!
Title: I might be getting my first Thunderbird and I need some tips! Is this one worth it?
Post by: White85GS on March 04, 2014, 01:21:36 AM
Post by: White85GS on March 04, 2014, 01:21:36 AM
Yeah, it's crazy, there are fully loaded cars with the standard engine, and bare bones ones with the optional one. It's a tough decision, but I think I'd prefer the latter.