Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 30, 2013, 09:38:48 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on November 30, 2013, 09:38:48 PM
I'm hoping to install my sequencers for the tail lights asap. I need to add a new socket to the inner light on each side so it will be an actual brake and signal light. How do I do it? I'll use the same kind of sockets used in the other two lights on each side.
I had this figured out a long time ago when I had the sequencer I bought from Carmen, but he's folded up that business and It's been a while. I can't recall how those were hooked up.
I had this figured out a long time ago when I had the sequencer I bought from Carmen, but he's folded up that business and It's been a while. I can't recall how those were hooked up.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 30, 2013, 09:54:53 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on November 30, 2013, 09:54:53 PM
Just in case, I have the STS-1 kit. I gotta tell you......It's like reading a foreign language. if anybody has a little time, and wants to help me through this, feel free. And remember, I hate electrical stuff!!!!
http://www.webelectricproducts.com/
I'd be glad to send a polished 65mm professional products throttle body to the person who can get me all the way through this. I have the harness that is going into the trunk right here, so I can see the colors and where to splice.
My factory harness has some bad wires, so, i got this one from a minty car at the boneyard and will splice it into the main trunk harness tomorrow or Monday (only seven wires to match up).
And I have to add a light sockets to the inner most brake lights.
http://www.webelectricproducts.com/
I'd be glad to send a polished 65mm professional products throttle body to the person who can get me all the way through this. I have the harness that is going into the trunk right here, so I can see the colors and where to splice.
My factory harness has some bad wires, so, i got this one from a minty car at the boneyard and will splice it into the main trunk harness tomorrow or Monday (only seven wires to match up).
And I have to add a light sockets to the inner most brake lights.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 30, 2013, 10:19:02 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on November 30, 2013, 10:19:02 PM
Under "Questions" on that site, it ask "Do I need another socket?"....I do. BUT, my lights seem like option "F". It states if that is so, move the middle socket to the inside, and add a socket to the middle. Holy . What the hell...............
Maybe one of you can understand this mess better than I.
Maybe one of you can understand this mess better than I.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: bodyman on December 01, 2013, 12:30:58 AM
Post by: bodyman on December 01, 2013, 12:30:58 AM
From what I get they want you to move the middle socket to the first location so that you do not have to redo more wiring than necessary. It looks like the first light is wired to the car harness and to the red wire in the module, then the module sends the signal to the middle and outer light.
I wired dynamite sticks into a 68 mustang this summer and this looks to be the same. I had to install a heavy duty electronic flasher so that the lights would go all the way thru the sequence before starting over.
I wired dynamite sticks into a 68 mustang this summer and this looks to be the same. I had to install a heavy duty electronic flasher so that the lights would go all the way thru the sequence before starting over.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 09:24:59 AM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 09:24:59 AM
How do you add another socket for a brake light? I have to assume that you would need the wiring (black and brown wire) that go to the inner most light (Not the backup light).
My car has two brake lights per side, and a third light that is just that, a light. Not for brakes or signals.
The kit has three sections to it....first, a small bundle of wire, a black one and a red one.........second, the actual sequencers for each side that have a red, blue, white, black and green. They are identical and it says they can be used on either side because they are the same.
As I stated, I do not understand how one would add another socket, and make it work in the middle position.
I need a patient member who can walk me through it like I am a 5 year old. This is NOT my strong point in cars.
I think I need an expanded version of their instructions aimed at our cars......red wire to brown wire at "this place in the harness", and especially the added socket thing.....how?
My car has two brake lights per side, and a third light that is just that, a light. Not for brakes or signals.
The kit has three sections to it....first, a small bundle of wire, a black one and a red one.........second, the actual sequencers for each side that have a red, blue, white, black and green. They are identical and it says they can be used on either side because they are the same.
As I stated, I do not understand how one would add another socket, and make it work in the middle position.
I need a patient member who can walk me through it like I am a 5 year old. This is NOT my strong point in cars.
I think I need an expanded version of their instructions aimed at our cars......red wire to brown wire at "this place in the harness", and especially the added socket thing.....how?
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 11:43:26 AM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 11:43:26 AM
ALSO.........does anybody have the breakdown of the wires for the tail light harness?
There are,
2-larger pink with black stripe
1-black
1-black with pink stripe
1-orange with blue stripe
1-brown
1-green with orange stripe
Then...the bulb sockets....
Driver side.....
outer bulb....two green wires with an orange stripe
one brown wire
one black wire
middle bulb.....green wire with orange stripe
one black wire
one brown wire
inner bulb, different style, ....one brown wire,
one black wire (that is the socket that would have to be replaced)
Passenger side, same wires, but instead of green wires, there are orange wires with blue stripes
There are,
2-larger pink with black stripe
1-black
1-black with pink stripe
1-orange with blue stripe
1-brown
1-green with orange stripe
Then...the bulb sockets....
Driver side.....
outer bulb....two green wires with an orange stripe
one brown wire
one black wire
middle bulb.....green wire with orange stripe
one black wire
one brown wire
inner bulb, different style, ....one brown wire,
one black wire (that is the socket that would have to be replaced)
Passenger side, same wires, but instead of green wires, there are orange wires with blue stripes
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 12:20:05 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 12:20:05 PM
Light green/orange= LH turn/stop lamps
Orange/light blue= RH turn/stop lamps
Black= ground
Black/pink= reverse lights
Orange/light blue= RH turn/stop lamps
Black= ground
Black/pink= reverse lights
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 12:29:27 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 12:29:27 PM
You are powering the lights on side independently, so you have right and left powered wires. LG/O and O/LB. Ground is common, and will be the black wire.
The brown wire is for powering the running lights. You will need to connect it to the extra light socket you are installing in place of the single filament running light only socket. It will also have a black ground wire.
The brown wire is for powering the running lights. You will need to connect it to the extra light socket you are installing in place of the single filament running light only socket. It will also have a black ground wire.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 12:35:46 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 12:35:46 PM
the extra socket.......wouldn't it be removed, and the new socket use those wires, plus hooked up to whatever makes it work as a brake/signal light?
The extra socket....which is the inner one that has to be replaced, already has a brown wire.
The extra socket....which is the inner one that has to be replaced, already has a brown wire.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 12:36:17 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 12:36:17 PM
This post was mangled.
It appears you have a car without system sentry.
It appears you have a car without system sentry.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 12:38:35 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 12:38:35 PM
Also, who does one socket have one power wire, and the other has two?
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 12:43:55 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 12:43:55 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;425037
the extra socket.......wouldn't it be removed, and the new socket use those wires, plus hooked up to whatever makes it work as a brake/signal light?
The extra socket....which is the inner one that has to be replaced, already has a brown wire.
Correct. You will be harvesting 2 3-wire (2 filament bulb) style sockets from your parts bin. One for the right and one for the left.
You will be cutting off the 2 2 wire (brown, black wire) sockets.
The sequencer gets it's signal from the LG/O wire on the left side, then does it's magic and sends out 3 DIFFERENT signals to the 3 sockets. You will be intercepting the original signal (power) and the sequencer sends it out to the three bulbs.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 12:45:45 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 12:45:45 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;425039
Also, who does one socket have one power wire, and the other has two?
The power comes in to one socket and back out to the repeater socket, so it will have two identical colored wires. (left and right)
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 12:50:21 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 12:50:21 PM
______O_____O
Two wires on the first O, one in and one out carrying same signal voltage. (Brakes or turn signal.........the same wire is for BOTH turn and stop LG/O on left, O/LB on right)
Two wires on the first O, one in and one out carrying same signal voltage. (Brakes or turn signal.........the same wire is for BOTH turn and stop LG/O on left, O/LB on right)
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 12:56:35 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 12:56:35 PM
So I hook up the black and brown wire from the running light plug to the black and brown wire of the "new" plug, then run the third wire where?
ALSO...It states in the instructions that the inner light housing, once changed to the new socket, moves to the middle position, then the middle socket moves to the inner position.
ALSO...It states in the instructions that the inner light housing, once changed to the new socket, moves to the middle position, then the middle socket moves to the inner position.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 12:57:59 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 12:57:59 PM
You will use the 3 wires from the module to go to the respective sockets, splicing them onto the old LG/O or O/LB.
Brown will go to brown, since you still want to keep the running lights in the new sockets.
If I was doing it I would ground the module's ground wire to a ground on the car body. I like to give electronic devices a clean ground path.
Remember to reconnect the ground wire at the socket you are adding. For that use the old black wire.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 01:02:04 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 01:02:04 PM
So I hook up the black and brown wire from the running light plug to the black and brown wire of the "new" plug, then run the third wire where?
ALSO...It states in the instructions that the inner light housing, once changed to the new socket, moves to the middle position, then the middle socket moves to the inner position.
ALSO...It states in the instructions that the inner light housing, once changed to the new socket, moves to the middle position, then the middle socket moves to the inner position.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 01:03:05 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 01:03:05 PM
Then the "power" wire to the "new" socket will just hook to the sequencer and that's it?
Also, whin splicing into the wires for power (orange or green), if there are two, does it matter which one?
By the way, I REALLY appreciate your time and help.
Also, whin splicing into the wires for power (orange or green), if there are two, does it matter which one?
By the way, I REALLY appreciate your time and help.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 01:07:53 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 01:07:53 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;425043
So I hook up the black and brown wire from the running light plug to the black and brown wire of the "new" plug, then run the third wire where?
Yes, exactly!
ALSO...It states in the instructions that the inner light housing, once changed to the new socket, moves to the middle position, then the middle socket moves to the inner position.
That part is up to you. You will be cutting the wire that used to go from the outer socket to the repeater. You can put the new socket wherever is most convenient. Then just run the appropriate wire from the module to splice in to the corresponding socket.
blue wire to the outside socket LG/O, white wire to middle LG/O, red to inner LG/O
You must cut the old LG/O wires off first you see.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 01:17:30 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 01:17:30 PM
EDIT........senior moment
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 01:18:00 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 01:18:00 PM
not getting what you mean on that last post.
1. Are you stating that the inner light, thte one that is changing sockets, could stay in the inner position as long as it has the right sequencer wire going to it?
2.Not sure what you mean by cut the old LG/O wire off.......Then there would be nothing to tie in to.
3. "Cutting the wire that used to go from the outer socket to the repeater"....Outer socket wire gets cut?
You had me, then lost me. LOL.
1. Are you stating that the inner light, thte one that is changing sockets, could stay in the inner position as long as it has the right sequencer wire going to it?
2.Not sure what you mean by cut the old LG/O wire off.......Then there would be nothing to tie in to.
3. "Cutting the wire that used to go from the outer socket to the repeater"....Outer socket wire gets cut?
You had me, then lost me. LOL.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 01:22:12 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 01:22:12 PM
I'll wait. LOL
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 01:26:46 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 01:26:46 PM
OK, panic over. LOL I see that you have two modules with this, correct?
That will be fine then. I had a senior moment.
When you cut off the wires you will be leaving enough wire on the socket to splice into.
Are you going to use scotch-locs or something else to do the tie-in?
That will be fine then. I had a senior moment.
When you cut off the wires you will be leaving enough wire on the socket to splice into.
Are you going to use scotch-locs or something else to do the tie-in?
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 01:39:22 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 01:39:22 PM
If you have two LG/O wires on a socket, is it the outer or middle?
Mine only have a single wire since they are on a car with the lamp-out warning. If your car is a non system sentry it will have the two wires, but I don't have one here to look at. You need to look at yours to tell me.
Mine only have a single wire since they are on a car with the lamp-out warning. If your car is a non system sentry it will have the two wires, but I don't have one here to look at. You need to look at yours to tell me.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 01:50:20 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 01:50:20 PM
If you have system sentry it will not matter since power splits and comes independently to each socket via the LG/O wires.
I guess we should have started there. That's probably causing you confusion.
I guess we should have started there. That's probably causing you confusion.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 01:58:07 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 01:58:07 PM
WITH system sentry, Start by cutting off the 2 wire inner socket leaving enough BROWN and BLACK wire at the car harness to splice another socket onto.
1. Take the middle socket and use it in the inner. Put a blue scotch-lock on it and tie in to the LG/O wire and the RED wire from the module (just doing LH side here)
2. Take a harvested 3 (or 4 wire it doesn't matter) socket and re-connect the black and brown wires on it to the same colors on the harness where you cut off the 2 wire socket.
3. Now splice the remaining wire (lg/o) that is on this socket with the WHITE wire on the module.
4. CUT the LG/O wire at the outer socket (leaving some wire to work with) and splice the LG/O wire from THE SOCKET onto the BLUE wire from the module.
Put tape on the LG/O wire on the harness side. It is not used
5. Ground the black wire from the module onto a good body ground.
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Without system sentry: Start by cutting off the 2 wire inner socket leaving enough BROWN and BLACK wire at the car harness to splice another socket onto.
1. Cut both LG/O wires on the outer socket, leaving enough wire on the socket side to splice onto later.
2. Tie the 2 HARNESS SIDE LG/O wires together and in with the RED wire from the module. (This will now feed the middle light and be used in the inner location.)
3. Take the middle socket and use it in the inner.
4. Take a harvested 3 (or 4 wire it doesn't matter) socket and re-connect the black and brown wires on it to the same colors on the car harness where you cut the 2-wire socket off
5. splice the remaining wire (lg/o) that is on that socket with the WHITE wire on the module.
6. Now take either one or both of the LG/O wires you previously cut on the outer socket and connect to the BLUE wire from the module.
For the right side, just use the O/LB wire and do the same thing you did with the LG/O wire on the left side
1. Take the middle socket and use it in the inner. Put a blue scotch-lock on it and tie in to the LG/O wire and the RED wire from the module (just doing LH side here)
2. Take a harvested 3 (or 4 wire it doesn't matter) socket and re-connect the black and brown wires on it to the same colors on the harness where you cut off the 2 wire socket.
3. Now splice the remaining wire (lg/o) that is on this socket with the WHITE wire on the module.
4. CUT the LG/O wire at the outer socket (leaving some wire to work with) and splice the LG/O wire from THE SOCKET onto the BLUE wire from the module.
Put tape on the LG/O wire on the harness side. It is not used
5. Ground the black wire from the module onto a good body ground.
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Without system sentry: Start by cutting off the 2 wire inner socket leaving enough BROWN and BLACK wire at the car harness to splice another socket onto.
1. Cut both LG/O wires on the outer socket, leaving enough wire on the socket side to splice onto later.
2. Tie the 2 HARNESS SIDE LG/O wires together and in with the RED wire from the module. (This will now feed the middle light and be used in the inner location.)
3. Take the middle socket and use it in the inner.
4. Take a harvested 3 (or 4 wire it doesn't matter) socket and re-connect the black and brown wires on it to the same colors on the car harness where you cut the 2-wire socket off
5. splice the remaining wire (lg/o) that is on that socket with the WHITE wire on the module.
6. Now take either one or both of the LG/O wires you previously cut on the outer socket and connect to the BLUE wire from the module.
For the right side, just use the O/LB wire and do the same thing you did with the LG/O wire on the left side
Title: Tail Lamp Wiring Diagrams
Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 02:05:24 PM
Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 02:05:24 PM
From the 88 EVTM.......................
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 02:08:05 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 02:08:05 PM
That's just for running lights. Two wires: One Brown for power and one Black for ground on each socket.
Title: Trn Signal Diagram
Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 02:10:07 PM
Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 02:10:07 PM
....and the Turn Signals
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 02:19:44 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 02:19:44 PM
Yes, this shows why a system sentry car has a single signal wire to each of the rear sockets as opposed to a non system sentry car which has two wires; one signal wire coming IN to the outer socket from the front of the car and a second wire going OUT to the middle socket lamp.
Thanks for those hwy 73. That's what I am working off of and for anyone comfortable reading schematics will help show what I'm going on about.
Here's the schematic for Vinnies sequencer:
Thanks for those hwy 73. That's what I am working off of and for anyone comfortable reading schematics will help show what I'm going on about.
Here's the schematic for Vinnies sequencer:
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 02:21:58 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 02:21:58 PM
How ya doin' Vinnie?
Ask any specific question you have and I'll keep going until you are comfortable.
Ask any specific question you have and I'll keep going until you are comfortable.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 02:28:11 PM
Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 02:28:11 PM
I think the sight of the wiring diagrams might have caused Vinnie to pass out ! J/K
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 02:29:16 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 02:29:16 PM
This stuff is fun for me.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 02:46:17 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 02:46:17 PM
Please do not post electrical diagrams for me. I do not read them. My mind will not comprehend them.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 02:47:12 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 02:47:12 PM
Vinnie, there's a step by step in post 26.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 02:49:17 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 02:49:17 PM
There's just two wires from the front of the car you are dealing with on each side. LG/O and O/LB for turn/stop and Brown for running lights.
You got this.
You got this.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 02:49:26 PM
Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 02:49:26 PM
Vinnie, in summary, you are making two modifications:
1. Changing the inside socket on each side from a single-filament running light to a dual filament running-turn/brake light.
2. The original wiring in the car has the turn signal wire on each side going to the outside socket, then jumpering to the middle socket to flash both together. (Thus the wire "going in" and "coming out" of the first socket and going to the second.)
To install the sequencer, the turn signal wire from the car harness must be cut before the outside socket and the jumper betwen the outside and middle sockets must also be cut. This will isolate the sockets. The turn signal wire from the car harness powers the sequencer module. The module then powers the three sockets indvidually and in sequence via the other three wires. (Leaving black for ground.) Physically which socket ends up where does not really matter, electrically they must be wired in correct order so the lamps flash in proper order - inside, middle, outside.
1. Changing the inside socket on each side from a single-filament running light to a dual filament running-turn/brake light.
2. The original wiring in the car has the turn signal wire on each side going to the outside socket, then jumpering to the middle socket to flash both together. (Thus the wire "going in" and "coming out" of the first socket and going to the second.)
To install the sequencer, the turn signal wire from the car harness must be cut before the outside socket and the jumper betwen the outside and middle sockets must also be cut. This will isolate the sockets. The turn signal wire from the car harness powers the sequencer module. The module then powers the three sockets indvidually and in sequence via the other three wires. (Leaving black for ground.) Physically which socket ends up where does not really matter, electrically they must be wired in correct order so the lamps flash in proper order - inside, middle, outside.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 02:53:07 PM
Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 02:53:07 PM
Quote from: flylear45;425065
There's just two wires from the front of the car you are dealing with on each side. LG/O and O/LB.
You got this.
That's all you need the diagrams for Vinnie, to identify the turn signal wire on each side in the car harness. Then you are just adding on from there.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 03:02:08 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 03:02:08 PM
Now, I Think I'm starting to mildly understand. My car does have the Sentry System.
I do have a question....or two...The kit comes with a red wire and black wire as well. They are supposed to run from the harness or something. Not really sure.
I planned on modifying the light housing to accept another brake light socket as the middle and outer bulbs use on each side.
So you are saying that the middle socket DOES go the inner, and the inner socket is replaced with the new socket and used in the middle? Why the swap? This just kills me. I WISH there was a person around here to do it for me, but there isn't, so, it's on me....with your help that I appreciate.
I do have a question....or two...The kit comes with a red wire and black wire as well. They are supposed to run from the harness or something. Not really sure.
I planned on modifying the light housing to accept another brake light socket as the middle and outer bulbs use on each side.
So you are saying that the middle socket DOES go the inner, and the inner socket is replaced with the new socket and used in the middle? Why the swap? This just kills me. I WISH there was a person around here to do it for me, but there isn't, so, it's on me....with your help that I appreciate.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 03:03:19 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 03:03:19 PM
hwy73, The module is actually wired in with the inner light rather than in between it. The inner light ends up ALSO being power to the module.
That's where i was confused a bit earlier.
Look over post 26 to see if it looks good to you. You seem to have a good handle on it and I want to be sure to get it right for Vinnie.
That's where i was confused a bit earlier.
Look over post 26 to see if it looks good to you. You seem to have a good handle on it and I want to be sure to get it right for Vinnie.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 03:05:21 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 03:05:21 PM
So which wires from the "pre light" part of the harness have to be tapped in to?
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 03:06:41 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 03:06:41 PM
The red and black wire I am speaking of are in a bundle separate from the two modules.
Title: Tail light socket info needed.....
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 03:09:06 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;425068
Now, I Think I'm starting to mildly understand. My car does have the Sentry System.
I do have a question....or two...The kit comes with a red wire and black wire as well. They are supposed to run from the harness or something. Not really sure.
I planned on modifying the light housing to accept another brake light socket as the middle and outer bulbs use on each side.
So you are saying that the middle socket DOES go the inner, and the inner socket is replaced with the new socket and used in the middle? Why the swap? This just kills me. I WISH there was a person around here to do it for me, but there isn't, so, it's on me....with your help that I appreciate.
Look at post 26 and it tells what to do with red and black. You will put a ring terminal on black and screw it onto a good ground to ground the module electronics. VERY IMPORTANT, don't skip it!
Red powers the module and ties into the LG/O wire on the INNER (your middle) socket.
By moving the middle to the inner you are using less wires than you would have to otherwise. Just trust me on this one.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 03:11:21 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 03:11:21 PM
I will take a VERY close look at post 26 over again.......and again when people here at home will leave me the hell alone.
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Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 03:14:17 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 03:14:17 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;425070
So which wires from the "pre light" part of the harness have to be tapped in to?
None. All the work is in the trunk unless you want to get fancy.
Quote from: vinnietbird;425071
The red and black wire I am speaking of are in a bundle separate from the two modules.
I would not use them. I would do it as it comes in the burst mode.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 03:15:52 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 03:15:52 PM
For the red and black wires, are you talking of the ones on the modules or the other two that are separate?
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 03:16:20 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 03:16:20 PM
O.K., not using them.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 03:18:25 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 03:18:25 PM
It's is slowly getting clearer....still foggy, but getting there.
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Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 03:59:57 PM
Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 03:59:57 PM
Quote from: flylear45;425072
Look at post 26 and it tells what to do with red and black. You will put a ring terminal on black and screw it onto a good ground to ground the module electronics. VERY IMPORTANT, don't skip it!
Red powers the module and ties into the LG/O wire on the INNER (your middle) socket.
By moving the middle to the inner you are using less wires than you would have to otherwise. Just trust me on this one.
True, switching sockets around can make the wiring cleaner.
Positioning the sequencer module near the sockets in the trunk will save extending the wires also.
Now how I understand the wiring is this....
The turn signal wire from the original harness in the trunk goes to the Green wire on the sequencer (the control wire), LG/O for the left side and O/LB for the right.
The blue wire from the sequencer goes to the outside tail lamp socket
The white wire from the sequencer goes to the middle socket
The red wire from the sequencer goes to the inside socket.
Black from the sequecer and all three of the sockets go to ground.
(Refering to the picture in post #16)
The brown from all the sockets goes to the brown running light wire in the vehicle harness.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 05:38:09 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 05:38:09 PM
What do you mean the turn signal wire from the original harness?
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 05:40:47 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 05:40:47 PM
Quote from: flylear45;425074
None. All the work is in the trunk unless you want to get fancy.
I would not use them. I would do it as it comes in the burst mode.
I don't need "fancy"....just functional. The Burst mode is fine as well. I want this to be simple. So, Flylear....One more time....
Do I just follow what you stated on post 26?
Also, do I swap socket positions?
Also, with the new socket, it goes brown wire to brown wire...black wire to black wire, then the sequencer goes to the power wire?
Do I tap into the wires before the lights in the harness (like where the spare is kept)? So many posts have kind of complicated this.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 06:30:57 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 06:30:57 PM
I'm modding the tail light housings now to replace the inner sockets with the twist in brake light sockets.
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Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 06:32:20 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 06:32:20 PM
Quote from: hwy73;425079
True, switching sockets around can make the wiring cleaner.
Positioning the sequencer module near the sockets in the trunk will save extending the wires also.
Now how I understand the wiring is this....
The turn signal wire from the original harness in the trunk goes to the Green wire on the sequencer (the control wire), LG/O for the left side and O/LB for the right.
The blue wire from the sequencer goes to the outside tail lamp socket
The white wire from the sequencer goes to the middle socket
The red wire from the sequencer goes to the inside socket.
Black from the sequecer and all three of the sockets go to ground.
(Refering to the picture in post #16)
The brown from all the sockets goes to the brown running light wire in the vehicle harness.
No. There are two modules, one for each side of the car. It's just like I said in post 26. The GREEN wire from the module IS NOT USED FOR ANYTHING. If you refer to the schematic for the module it becomes clearer. I had to do a double take on it earlier also.
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Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 06:41:32 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;425082
I don't need "fancy"....just functional. The Burst mode is fine as well. I want this to be simple. So, Flylear....One more time....
Do I just follow what you stated on post 26?
Also, do I swap socket positions?
Also, with the new socket, it goes brown wire to brown wire...black wire to black wire, then the sequencer goes to the power wire?
Do I tap into the wires before the lights in the harness (like where the spare is kept)? So many posts have kind of complicated this.
Yes, it sounds like you have it now.
Yes, swap middle to inner, and tap it with the RED wire.
Put the new socket in the middle and splice the brownto brown and black to black together where the old one came out. Then hook the WHITE from module into the socket power wire for stop/turn.
Cut the LG/O to the outer socket and hook the BLUE wire to that wire in the socket, LG/O.
Put some tape on the cutoff end of the LG/O wire left on the harness, it will be hot when brakes are pressed!
Use a blue Scotchlok wiretap on the inner RED to LG/O. Use butt splices on the WHITE and BLUE ones. Tape on the outer LG/O where it was cut off. Use a ring terminal on the BLACK from the module to a good ground.
Sorry for leaving you, but I had to meet a guy that is buying my old Chevy truck.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 06:47:59 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 06:47:59 PM
No apologies. You have a life. LOL.
As far as cutting the power wire (LG/O), That is the power wire going into the driver side outer socket from the harness.....right? And the harness end gets taped up, and the module wire takes it's place? On the two modules...ring terminals, ground to the body.
I THINK i can do this now. LOL. We'll see in the morning. I'm hoping to have both housings done tonight and ready for install tomorrow.
If I can pull this off, I'm totally sending you a polished throttle body.....seriously.
As far as cutting the power wire (LG/O), That is the power wire going into the driver side outer socket from the harness.....right? And the harness end gets taped up, and the module wire takes it's place? On the two modules...ring terminals, ground to the body.
I THINK i can do this now. LOL. We'll see in the morning. I'm hoping to have both housings done tonight and ready for install tomorrow.
If I can pull this off, I'm totally sending you a polished throttle body.....seriously.
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Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 06:48:18 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 06:48:18 PM
And yes Vinnie all this is done right next to the sockets themselves in the trunk area. Nothing else to do up front. Just cut the wires leaving room to connect with butt splices.
So, leave a few inches on the donor socket wires, make the cut a few inches away from the socket on the outer. You will use the wire from the socket there, not the wire on the other side of it.
If your donor socket has an extra wire on the LG/O it won't matter, just strip them both and twist together, or use either one. It won't matter since they both go to the same place.
Easy-peasy.
So, leave a few inches on the donor socket wires, make the cut a few inches away from the socket on the outer. You will use the wire from the socket there, not the wire on the other side of it.
If your donor socket has an extra wire on the LG/O it won't matter, just strip them both and twist together, or use either one. It won't matter since they both go to the same place.
Easy-peasy.
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Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 06:49:30 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;425088
No apologies. You have a life. LOL.
As far as cutting the power wire (LG/O), That is the power wire going into the driver side outer socket from the harness.....right? And the harness end gets taped up, and the module wire takes it's place? On the two modules...ring terminals, ground to the body.
I THINK i can do this now. LOL. We'll see in the morning. I'm hoping to have both housings done tonight and ready for install tomorrow.
If I can pull this off, I'm totally sending you a polished throttle body.....seriously.
Correct on the wire. Understand that BOTH sockets get that power wire, middle and outer on a system sentry car. Only the outer gets cut.
The middle one (that gets moved to the inner) gets that RED module wire attached to the LG/O (power) with a wire tap. You don't have to even cut that one.
And no, it's no big deal. I've seen you help many guys here. I like being able to help a brother out.
Besides this should help anyone else who wants to do the mod.
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Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 06:59:00 PM
Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 06:59:00 PM
Sorry Vinnie, I had to bug out for a spell too. I should have been more clear that there is a sequencer module for each, side, the procedure is repeated for each side.
Vin, when I say the original harness in the car, I am refering to the tail light harness in the trunk, before it reaches the tail lamps. Basically, you are intercepting the voltage coming from the turn signal flasher up front, in the trunk harness and directing it to the seq. module on each side before the tail lights. As flylear45 said, the module does it thing and flashes the lights in sequential order instead of all at once.
The extra loose wires in the kit I believe are to either enable or disable the "one sequence burst" when you step on the brake.
Vinnie, if you would like I will call you, sometimes it makes more sense when you can have a conversation.
Vin, when I say the original harness in the car, I am refering to the tail light harness in the trunk, before it reaches the tail lamps. Basically, you are intercepting the voltage coming from the turn signal flasher up front, in the trunk harness and directing it to the seq. module on each side before the tail lights. As flylear45 said, the module does it thing and flashes the lights in sequential order instead of all at once.
The extra loose wires in the kit I believe are to either enable or disable the "one sequence burst" when you step on the brake.
Vinnie, if you would like I will call you, sometimes it makes more sense when you can have a conversation.
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Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 07:00:46 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 07:00:46 PM
This is a Scotch-lock tap.
One side goes over the LG/O wire on the middle (moved to inner) wire, the RED goes in the other side. When you squish it it makes a connection between the two wires without cutting.
First squish the metal part down in flush, then snap the locking connecter over top of it.
One side goes over the LG/O wire on the middle (moved to inner) wire, the RED goes in the other side. When you squish it it makes a connection between the two wires without cutting.
First squish the metal part down in flush, then snap the locking connecter over top of it.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 07:15:40 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 07:15:40 PM
Thanks a lot. I will report in as soon as possible tomorrow. I'm staying up wicked late tonight to get the housings ready so I can bolt them on in the morning and start wiring it all together.
I do appreciate your help a lot, and may need more before it's over. Hopefully this will handle it just fine.
I do appreciate your help a lot, and may need more before it's over. Hopefully this will handle it just fine.
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Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 07:16:33 PM
Post by: hwy73 on December 01, 2013, 07:16:33 PM
Like flylear45 said with the red wire. My instructions were wrong. The Green coming out of the module is used to disable the brake light burst. The red on the sequencer is the power. That is why it is spliced onto the first socket, as that light is not actually sequenced, it comes on when the turn signal flasher tells it to and it stays on, then the sequencer adds the other two lamps in succession. Then they all go out when the flasher blinks, and it starts over again.
I apologize for the confusion.
I apologize for the confusion.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 07:17:01 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 07:17:01 PM
The kit came with screw on wire connectors, and those taps. I have butt connectors as well. I don't like the screw on kiind. I'll cut the appropriate wire and tape it over.
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Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 07:27:24 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 07:27:24 PM
Quote from: hwy73;425094
Like flylear45 said with the red wire. My instructions were wrong. The Green coming out of the module is used to disable the brake light burst. The red on the sequencer is the power. That is why it is spliced onto the first socket, as that light is not actually sequenced, it comes on when the turn signal flasher tells it to and it stays on, then the sequencer adds the other two lamps in succession. Then they all go out when the flasher blinks, and it starts over again.
I apologize for the confusion.
It's funny because I freaked out earlier when I interpreted the diagram like you did. We went down the same false trail. LOL You , me , and hopefully Vinnie all have it knocked now!
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Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 07:30:33 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 07:30:33 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;425095
The kit came with screw on wire connectors, and those taps. I have butt connectors as well. I don't like the screw on kiind. I'll cut the appropriate wire and tape it over.
Yeah, I agree. I like the Scoth-lock just fine for that inner connection to the existing LG/O wire, but would use butt splices on the other two (white and blue0 and on the brown to brown and black to black on the middle. Personal preference.
I think you are going to be fine on this.
Print out the post 26 and take it with you. I'll also PM my phone number for you in case you get stuck tomorrow. Just call me.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 07:36:27 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 07:36:27 PM
O.K., first of all, I was on no trail. You may have been wrong, but at least you had some direction. I was flittering about like a monkey on a hot plate.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 07:37:18 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 07:37:18 PM
Thanks a lot !!!!!!!
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Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 07:48:18 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 07:48:18 PM
You are welcome.
Shoot, I may put one of these on my car now!
Shoot, I may put one of these on my car now!
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Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 07:56:34 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 07:56:34 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;425018
I have the harness that is going into the trunk right here, so I can see the colors and where to splice.
My factory harness has some bad wires, so, i got this one from a minty car at the boneyard and will splice it into the main trunk harness tomorrow or Monday (only seven wires to match up).
And I have to add a light sockets to the inner most brake lights.
I just saw this. It looks like the harness you are holding is a non system sentry harness if it has two LG/O on the outer left and two O/LB wires on the outer right. They have differences that you don't want to get into if that's the case. Just use the one you have on the car until you can get a proper harness or you are going to lose the functionality of the lamp out feature.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 07:57:47 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 07:57:47 PM
I had a set of The Cool Cats sequentials years ago. Harness fried and killed them. I like them on these cars.
As far as applying these to your car....just refer to post 26. LOL.
As far as applying these to your car....just refer to post 26. LOL.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 08:03:32 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 08:03:32 PM
I'll keep the factory harness in place and use it. Forget the piece I was going to install.Don't want to make this hard.
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Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 08:03:52 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;425102
I had a set of The Cool Cats sequentials years ago. Harness fried and killed them. I like them on these cars.
As far as applying these to your car....just refer to post 26. LOL.
Yeah. I'm proud of old #26. LOL
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Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 08:06:37 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 01, 2013, 08:06:37 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;425103
I'll keep the factory harness in place and use it. Forget the piece I was going to install.Don't want to make this hard.
Agreed. Good plan.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 08:07:42 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2013, 08:07:42 PM
Agrred. Dear Lord what a mess. LOL.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 02, 2013, 01:44:46 AM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 02, 2013, 01:44:46 AM
What about the passenger side. I'm finally going to bed, and just had that thought.
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Post by: flylear45 on December 02, 2013, 05:56:13 AM
Post by: flylear45 on December 02, 2013, 05:56:13 AM
These are two separate modules that control left and right independently from one another.
So, everything is the same on the right except the colors on the turn/stop wire that you will cut/splice in to.
In post 26, substitute O/LB for LG/O and repeat the process.
So, everything is the same on the right except the colors on the turn/stop wire that you will cut/splice in to.
In post 26, substitute O/LB for LG/O and repeat the process.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 02, 2013, 07:39:57 AM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 02, 2013, 07:39:57 AM
I think I can do that.
I hope you don't regret leaving me your phone number today. LOL.
I hope you don't regret leaving me your phone number today. LOL.
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Post by: flylear45 on December 02, 2013, 06:36:30 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 02, 2013, 06:36:30 PM
How did it go?
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 02, 2013, 07:01:40 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 02, 2013, 07:01:40 PM
It went great. Once you explained over the phone about the power source, and the middle light which is now the inner light after the socket swap, which supplies the power to the other lights it was great. LOL. The "burst" is really cool, and the signals are set to sequence at a certain speed, not to be adjusted, and it's great. And as I said, that chrome inside the housings really made a difference. I have never seen my tail lights so bright. I also restored and polished the plastic pieces before reassembly of the tail lights which didn't hurt.
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Post by: flylear45 on December 02, 2013, 07:21:37 PM
Post by: flylear45 on December 02, 2013, 07:21:37 PM
Sounds really nice. Good work.
This was for you the equivalent of me sticking my hand in a jar full of spiders.
:)
It was nice talking with you today. It gave me a little break from laying on the floor working on suspension.
This was for you the equivalent of me sticking my hand in a jar full of spiders.
:)
It was nice talking with you today. It gave me a little break from laying on the floor working on suspension.
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Post by: vinnietbird on December 02, 2013, 09:54:20 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 02, 2013, 09:54:20 PM
LOL. Glad I could help. LOL.