Technical => Suspension/Steering => Topic started by: SR71blackbird on July 09, 2013, 12:22:03 PM
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: SR71blackbird on July 09, 2013, 12:22:03 PM
My car is in need of new shocks and I'd like to get new springs along with it. Does anybody know what are the stiffest shocks made for Tbirds? Also what are the dimensions of turbocoupe springs. I'd like to get a higher spring rate but I don't even know what the stock spring rate is. Thank you for your help.
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: bodyman on July 09, 2013, 02:31:10 PM
If I recall the conversation I had with Jack Hidley at MM correctly, you are stuck with the stock springs and rates unless you want to lower the car and go with SN95 springs and shocks.
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: Aerocoupe on July 09, 2013, 08:02:58 PM
Unless you man up and get coil overs...kidding, no really.
Darren
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: a77cj7 on July 09, 2013, 08:15:53 PM
If you don't mind lowering significantly, the setup i run is very stiff and handles well with all junkyard/forums/ebay parts, other than the control arms. Front: 03-04 cobra struts and springs Rear: Bullet/Mach1 springs and shocks, with ChuckW adapters, and CHE adjustable arms.
I have poly bushings everywhere, and it has a very firm ride, corners wonderfully. I'm not sure how much it would lower a TC, as mine is either a base or a lx. Chris
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: TOM Renzo on July 10, 2013, 05:56:14 AM
Cut a coil off your stock springs!!!
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: SR71blackbird on July 10, 2013, 11:53:32 AM
How much will the mustang springs lower it down?
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: vinnietbird on July 10, 2013, 12:19:20 PM
About a 2 inch drop all around. Nice factory feeling ride, and still able to clear a speed bump.
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: SR71blackbird on July 10, 2013, 01:56:58 PM
Oh wow that looks great! So are SN95 shocks and springs just a bolt on replacement?
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: vinnietbird on July 10, 2013, 02:38:23 PM
Actually, I still have the struts that came with the Bird (I have new '86 T-Bird struts ready to go on), and Thunderbird air shocks out back, filled to 30 psi. I'm getting a set of Chuck's Mustng shock mounts for the rear, and may look into the best shock at that time, but for now, I'm pretty happy with it.
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: STANG8U on July 10, 2013, 05:45:49 PM
the sn springs look good
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: vinnietbird on July 10, 2013, 05:51:05 PM
I wanted the Sport lower than stock, but in a realistic manner. I need to be able to take a speed bump, or "real" roads without having to come to a near stop and crawling over bumps. Screw that.
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: STANG8U on July 10, 2013, 05:54:26 PM
yea ive slammed a few stangs and crawling over bumps gets old lol
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: vinnietbird on July 10, 2013, 06:02:15 PM
True, and to add to the reasons I like these springs, The car rides like it should. No bouncing around or a rigid ride. Comfortable, and functional.
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: STANG8U on July 10, 2013, 06:08:55 PM
I need to get a set
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: vinnietbird on July 10, 2013, 06:39:13 PM
They are all over Ebay.
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: vinnietbird on July 10, 2013, 06:47:04 PM
From a lot of the listings I've seen on Ebay, and the cost of shipping in general, make them an offer. That price seems better than most as it is, but apparently he's ready to take less.
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: STANG8U on July 10, 2013, 06:50:28 PM
whats not on ebay lol
good find it would cost close to that out of the yards around me
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: vinnietbird on July 10, 2013, 07:04:45 PM
Offer $70 and work your way up if you have to.
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: STANG8U on July 10, 2013, 07:09:27 PM
I need to get a few things for the bird before I lower it .....wish I could right now lol
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: TOM Renzo on July 10, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
Simple question!!! What is the spring rate load height and wire diameter. What is it,s rate at load height. What is it's effective numbers of coils? What is it's spring rate deflection at 1" load rating. Springs are a science and all the numbers need to be evaluated. Not just the ride height. Just me!! Reducing effective coils increases the spring rate while dropping its load height and increasing it.
Sn 95 Will drop a coupe 1 1/2 inches with a lesser spring rate than a cut stock spring!! Increasing wire diameter and effective coils increases its load and rate at height!! DO THE MATH!! Just me being silly again.
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: SR71blackbird on July 10, 2013, 11:05:24 PM
So I need to get chucks mustang mounts for the struts but the springs pop into place with no problem? My car had "5 of ground clearance in the front already running stock suspension ( I think it is because of my wheel/tire combo. So should I really expect "3 of ground clearance in the front?
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: Chuck W on July 10, 2013, 11:14:26 PM
Quote from: SR71blackbird;418420
So I need to get chucks mustang mounts for the struts ...
Shocks, not struts, for the rear of the car.
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: SR71blackbird on July 11, 2013, 02:45:08 AM
Oh okay. I think I talked about this with you before chuck about getting buying mounts from you. When will you be making another batch?
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: vinnietbird on July 11, 2013, 08:24:43 AM
Tom, I have to say, I didn't do any math. I figured it like this.....An SN-95 Stang weighs as much or more than my car. The SN-95 has a nice road feel to it (although tire types can change that feel). Soooo, I installed them on my car, and it did a few things.....1. It lowered the car about two inches. 2. The car drives great, like it did with the stock springs, but lower, and 3. Still hauls whatever I've always hauled (parts, groceries, people.....) without any issues at all. With so many people who have already used these springs, I'd consider them to be tested and approved. If it was a whole new part nobody had ever used on these cars, then yes, we would need to look into that, but it's already been done. There's a thread on here somewhere that posts the spring rates and such on the SN-95 springs, and our stock springs..
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: Chuck W on July 11, 2013, 12:37:57 PM
Quote from: SR71blackbird;418426
Oh okay. I think I talked about this with you before chuck about getting buying mounts from you. When will you be making another batch?
I have some now, seeing as a couple folks who said they wanted some haven't bothered to respond. You snooze you lose.
Quote from: vinnietbird;418431
Tom, I have to say, I didn't do any math. I figured it like this.....An SN-95 Stang weighs as much or more than my car. The SN-95 has a nice road feel to it (although tire types can change that feel). Soooo, I installed them on my car, and it did a few things.....1. It lowered the car about two inches. 2. The car drives great, like it did with the stock springs, but lower, and 3. Still hauls whatever I've always hauled (parts, groceries, people.....) without any issues at all. With so many people who have already used these springs, I'd consider them to be tested and approved. If it was a whole new part nobody had ever used on these cars, then yes, we would need to look into that, but it's already been done. There's a thread on here somewhere that posts the spring rates and such on the SN-95 springs, and our stock springs..
This. They have been tried and used. I dug into all the rates, etc back when I was at KB. I primarily wanted the rears, as I had other fronts, but the dynamics are close enough between the cars. The SN-95 spring thing has been discussed to death on this site.
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: SR71blackbird on July 11, 2013, 03:02:39 PM
Oh sweet! Can I buy a pair? If so, how would you like the payment?
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: Chuck W on July 11, 2013, 03:38:26 PM
See my posting in the Vendor section.
Title: New springs and shocks
Post by: cougarbird86 on August 02, 2013, 12:07:05 PM
Soon i will be making adapter cups for the rear springs to accept the universal Eibach red series springs so choices will be unlimited. But i cant say when i would get them done, but when i do i will post them up in the vendor thread on here.