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Title: any ideas ?
Post by: 20thanvcat on June 16, 2013, 02:33:05 PM
i have a 87 cougar , has a 85 gt roller motor, heads have had larger valves installed and some porting(dont know exact work on heads ,were free,had a bent valve-long story)  cam came with heads dont know exact grind , but was told it was like x303 1.6 roller rockers,mass air flow for 30lbs injectors,(bbk)bbk intake (upper/lower)70 mm throttle body,30 psi injectors, processor is from 93 cobra ,tfi module has been replaced,pick up coil(in dist)coil and new high performance ford wires(8mm)  my issue is it some what runs under heavy throttle but runs very rich to the point of fuel fouling plugs , i have been told its the processor , its the cam ect --what would be a good processor or cam?:rollin:
Title: any ideas ?
Post by: Beau on June 16, 2013, 04:28:58 PM
What transmission? An X303 (if there is such a thing? I was only aware of the B, E and F cams) does NOT like an auto trans, but of course, running rich ain't got squat to do with that anyway...

Of course, it could be those 30 psi injectors....you need to exchange them for some 24 lb/hour injectors....that's what the Cobra 5.0 engines had.
Title: any ideas ?
Post by: 20thanvcat on June 16, 2013, 04:43:50 PM
its a t5 had 24s had same issue , i have turbos ready to go on it , except i want it running correctly before they go back , running stock shorties and hollow cats now.
Title: any ideas ?
Post by: STANG8U on June 16, 2013, 05:28:05 PM
get a tune


whats your fuel pressure at ?
Title: any ideas ?
Post by: 20thanvcat on June 16, 2013, 07:10:59 PM
40 psi running have gauge attached to fuel line
Title: any ideas ?
Post by: 20thanvcat on June 16, 2013, 07:25:57 PM
the processor tells the injectors when to spray ,and in what order, this cam uses HO(13726548) firing order,the cobra processor also correct? i was also told that cobra processor would not work with a mass air other than a cobra mass air , is this true , that would cause a rich condition.
Title: any ideas ?
Post by: 87 T-BIRD on June 16, 2013, 09:19:48 PM
If you are using the actual Cobra processor, you also need to use the Cobra specific maf sensor and the matching fuel injectors(yes it is true). FRPP made a X303 cam it was one of the higher end alphabet cams. You could always benefit from a tune, but if you match everything up together it will atleast get you going.
Title: any ideas ?
Post by: Beau on June 17, 2013, 12:01:45 AM
The fellers are correct on the Cobra EEC, injectors and MAF. Maf has to be calibrated for injectors being used, regardless of what vehicle they're in.

But to get you in the ball park, things need to be on the same page.
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Post by: Aerocoupe on June 17, 2013, 05:19:11 PM
Dump the Cobra processor (post it for sale on the Mustang forums) and find a 9AL (originally came in the standard trans cars) or 9AP (originally came in the auto trans cars) processor and get an MAF (http://www.promracing.com/mass-air-meters.html) that is calibrated for your 30 lb/hr injectors if you do not want to get a tune right away.  If you are going to get a tune now and one later when you put the turbos in then then I would suggest a Lightning 90mm MAF or one from SCT (http://www.sctflash.com/showsctproducts.php?Prod=BA).

This is are really good read on EEC's and their wiring on the Corral:

http://forums.corral.net/forums/general-mustang-tech/1094179-oxygen-sensor-harnesses-manual-auto-differences-year-differences.html

Darren
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Post by: turbotrav on June 17, 2013, 09:12:26 PM
Lots of good advise here...

Travis
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Post by: 86caprirs on June 17, 2013, 10:57:04 PM
I have a A9L with a MAF calibrated to 24lb injectors and my car still runs rich. But I am running a 351w now so I know it needs a tune bad.
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Post by: turbotrav on June 17, 2013, 11:37:58 PM
Quote from: 86caprirs;417238
I have a A9L with a MAF calibrated to 24lb injectors and my car still runs rich. But I am running a 351w now so I know it needs a tune bad.
Yes sir...

That would be a good thing...

Travis
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Post by: Aerocoupe on June 18, 2013, 08:47:43 AM
Ditch the C&L and get a better MAF. If anything you should be lean with the 24's on a mild 351.

Darren
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Post by: 20thanvcat on June 20, 2013, 10:35:38 PM
sounds like i have a cobra processor for sale cheap.whats the best year for a 9al ?
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Post by: 20thanvcat on June 20, 2013, 10:44:50 PM
what is a "tune"i dont have a chip
Title: any ideas ?
Post by: 20thanvcat on July 09, 2013, 04:06:35 PM
is A9L the last three digits on the processor? how do you know you have one , ford parts person said no listing for a "A9L"
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Post by: Aerocoupe on July 09, 2013, 08:01:16 PM
I'll get a picture of the part number off my spare A9L and post it when I get home. Eating brick oven pizza so it may be an hour or two.

Darren