My friend has a 4 banger Fox with a 5 speed. He's changing the worn bearing retainer. He stated that he bought one for a T-5, and it didn't fit. Is there a difference between the 4 and 8 cyl. bearing retainers?
I just talked to my friend Curt, and he stated that the bearing retainer I gave him (my extra retainer) does not fit his transmission. So, something is different. Waiting for more info from him.
Here's the info given to me. He said this is the numbers from the tag on it....
E9ZR-7003-AA REP AU
13-52-194 1299OE3192
The input shaft on the 4 cylinder T-5 and the v-8 T-5 are different. The pilot bearing tip is smaller diameter on the 4 cylinder T-5's than the V-8 cars. Any of the parts stores should have the correct bearing/bushing.
Darren
Thanks. Now to find a replacement bearing retainer. None in sight for the 4 banger. The V-8 is different. May have to machine the V-8 one to fit. To me, it appears that the difference is the thickness of the lip where the bearing race fits. If it were opened up, I think that would do it............but that's just an educated guess, of course.
Vinnie,
I think that one of the driveline shops up there carries T-5 parts.
Darren
Maybe Blumenthals. I have their number and will call them Monday from work.
I looked on Tremec's website and they have dealer locator:
Inland Truck Parts
1905 S. Nicklas Avenue
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. 73128 United States
Telephone: +1 (405) 682-1362
Fax: +1 (405) 682-3529
http://www.inlandtruck.com
sales@inlandtruck.com
Darren
Darren, I found a guy on the Corral (actually a business) who has had this issue many times, and they mill the V-8 pieces to fit. He's going to have one done for us this Monday and ship it to us for the car. He's doing a steel one so that can't hurt.
You got it they are different. Also you can use the 4 cylinder tranny in a V8 if you use a ranger DIESEL piolot bearing in the V8. Also the ratios are different.
Thanks Tom. That's the info I had found as well. A 1983 2.2 liter diesel powered Ford ranger.
My Pleasure Vinnie!! Thank You
Vinnie was asking about the bearing retainer, and yes, they are different between the two, as the input bearings are different sizes.
To me, it didn't look like there was enough meat on the V8 retainer to mill out for the larger 4 cyl bearing, but I guess it's been done. The 4 cyl bearing is a bigger dia AND taller, so the milling has to be deeper as well.
Chuck you are correct!!! The retainers are totally different and i cant imagine anyone milling one to fit. But i am sure Vinny has researched this and i am curious as people actually have machinists made new ones from scratch. As far as i know you cant make one fit the 4 Cylinder units. I could be wrong but i have had this issue a couple of times down the road
I looked at a V-8 and 4 cyl. retainer side by side. The 4 cyl piece looks identical except for the wider opening to fit the bearing and race, and, the 4 cyl. retainer's wall for them is thinner. The company I contacted about this says they do these "conversions" all the time. The one we're getting (retainer) is solid steel, not aluminum and steel like the aftermarket pieces, so, being solid steel, I'd imagine it would be fine.
Or use the compatible bearing and fork. That is something i have to research. Now you have me thinking and that is something i would like to know just for my own curiosity. Vinny is the company local to you or do they have a web site. Thanks
They are in Texas. I'm in Oklahoma. I'll get the name for you. It's in my notebook.
Thank you that would be nice. Reason being i have one that could use a new retainer. Much obliged.
I may possibly convert from auto to standard in the future. Supposed to be getting a donor with a 4 cyl. Please keep us informed.
Update......The Ford pilot bearing for the diesel engine will not work. The bearing fits the trans fine, but it looks like only the center of the piece. The pilot bearing has the bearing on the inside, then the "housing" on the outside that fits it to the block. This was just the center piece, so, ordered a new bearing from Ebay.
News as it happens.
Can you post a picture of the V8 one and the Ranger diesel one side by side so we can see what you are taking about?
Darren
Part is #14672
We only have the center section of the V-8 bearing left. When it waspulled, it came apart. I'll see what I can do.
Tom, is that a number from Autozone or what?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clutch-Pilot-Bearing-Dorman-14672-/200885823986?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item2ec5ba69f2
LOL. That's what I ordered yesterday morning Tom. LOL. Great minds think alike.
I've also heard the v-6 90's probe one will work if you hit a dead end.
Thanks a lot Haystack. I appreciate that info.
Vinny same exact part. It also fits other applications
SPECKS
Dia: 0.590"; Outside Dia.: 1.378"; Length: .433"
1990 Ford Probe pilot bearing does work...personal experience on that.
I received the bearing retainer today. All steel, not aluminum base steel shaft. It was milled, very sturdy, and they did a perfect job. Texas Motorsports. A little more than we wished to spend, but, for what we got, and what we needed, well worth it.
Tom, the bearing from Ebay got here. It is just right so far. We'll install it in the block and see what happens from there.
Great glad it worked Thanks
We haven't installed it yet. I'll freeze it, then tap it in. Hope it works that easy. It doesn't have the outer casing like the factory style.