Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on April 14, 2013, 10:24:19 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on April 14, 2013, 10:24:19 PM
After many years collecting parts I finally started building my engine it s a 331 stroker. At first my luck was in the per my fist block was cracked in the motor mounts, second was .060 over (already had .030 pistons) and was a non roller cam block but after searching i found a mustang block for $50 and then it started.
Im an auto student at Morrisville State College and signed up for my engines II class we have a brand new sunnen honing machine and it was put to good use.
my fist step was to pull all freeze plugs and cam bearings, as you can tell it had sat for a little and was full of antifreeze and rust chips but most came out.
Im an auto student at Morrisville State College and signed up for my engines II class we have a brand new sunnen honing machine and it was put to good use.
my fist step was to pull all freeze plugs and cam bearings, as you can tell it had sat for a little and was full of antifreeze and rust chips but most came out.
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on April 14, 2013, 10:28:06 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on April 14, 2013, 10:28:06 PM
more cleaning...
and my new MAC tools engine stand 1250lbs for $84 (student discout LOL)
and my new MAC tools engine stand 1250lbs for $84 (student discout LOL)
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: Haystack on April 14, 2013, 11:39:35 PM
Post by: Haystack on April 14, 2013, 11:39:35 PM
go short rod 347. no point in not if you don't already have all the parts.
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: canadiancarguy on April 15, 2013, 12:03:51 AM
Post by: canadiancarguy on April 15, 2013, 12:03:51 AM
The 347 you have to notch the block for rod clearance. Most of the local engine shops here recommend 331 if you are going to boost it. I am doing a 331 myself right now. How are you gonna clean and prep the block, what machining you got planned?
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: Haystack on April 15, 2013, 05:02:40 AM
Post by: Haystack on April 15, 2013, 05:02:40 AM
if you acess to free machining equipment, what's the difference?
parts cost the same and you get more power sooner. cubic inches is always a good.thing.
parts cost the same and you get more power sooner. cubic inches is always a good.thing.
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: Soul on April 15, 2013, 11:22:48 AM
Post by: Soul on April 15, 2013, 11:22:48 AM
I had to notch my block for my 331. I would of went 347 but I had plans for boost and didn't like the wrist pin and oil ring intersecting. As for notching the block you can buy a tool online for 20 bux and do it yourself like I did. Just need a grinding stone, the tool bolts to the mains so you can't screw it up.
(http://oi54.tinypic.com/211njv8.jpg)
Also if your looking through my album and wondering why the block is unpainted till the very end, it was 10 degrees in the garage when I built the motor. Yes it sucked lol.
(http://oi54.tinypic.com/211njv8.jpg)
Also if your looking through my album and wondering why the block is unpainted till the very end, it was 10 degrees in the garage when I built the motor. Yes it sucked lol.
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: canadiancarguy on April 15, 2013, 06:47:52 PM
Post by: canadiancarguy on April 15, 2013, 06:47:52 PM
Forged or cast crank? Nice choice in heads by the way:)
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: Aerocoupe on April 15, 2013, 10:23:55 PM
Post by: Aerocoupe on April 15, 2013, 10:23:55 PM
Will second the cylinder wall notching on a 331 even though some guys get lucky I did not:
(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy142/dbrune_83/IMG_2082.jpg) (http://s786.photobucket.com/user/dbrune_83/media/IMG_2082.jpg.html)
Good luck on the build and keep the pics coming! If you can post up some pics of the block getting machined that would be pretty cool.
Darren
(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy142/dbrune_83/IMG_2082.jpg) (http://s786.photobucket.com/user/dbrune_83/media/IMG_2082.jpg.html)
Good luck on the build and keep the pics coming! If you can post up some pics of the block getting machined that would be pretty cool.
Darren
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: Soul on April 16, 2013, 08:20:15 AM
Post by: Soul on April 16, 2013, 08:20:15 AM
Its the rod choice that determines if you have to notch right? H beam vs I beam, figure we get this out there for OP to pick.
(If you were asking if my crank was forged then yes, I went all forged goodies :D)
(If you were asking if my crank was forged then yes, I went all forged goodies :D)
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on April 16, 2013, 03:07:58 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on April 16, 2013, 03:07:58 PM
Haha thanks for your input guys. I went for the 331 cause I got it cheap it's all forged per my boosted application the rods are eagle 5.400 h beam rods and forged eagle 3.250 stroke
More pics will be uploaded tonight, just finished machining and now gotta notch it
More pics will be uploaded tonight, just finished machining and now gotta notch it
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on April 16, 2013, 11:10:47 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on April 16, 2013, 11:10:47 PM
machining pics
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on April 16, 2013, 11:12:03 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on April 16, 2013, 11:12:03 PM
final finish on two cylinders
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: Haystack on April 17, 2013, 12:36:55 AM
Post by: Haystack on April 17, 2013, 12:36:55 AM
gonna zero deck it?
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: Beau on April 17, 2013, 04:31:48 AM
Post by: Beau on April 17, 2013, 04:31:48 AM
Nice work, OP.
I wouldn't let the oil ring/pin issues of some of the 347 kits deter you, there are a few that don't have the issue. But anyway, if you've already got the parts you're using, that's not very relevant.
I'd love to put a 331 together, or a 347, and hell, if it's ME that's doing the wishful thinking, I'd simply start with a Windsor block, and end up in the 390ci area,...
I wouldn't let the oil ring/pin issues of some of the 347 kits deter you, there are a few that don't have the issue. But anyway, if you've already got the parts you're using, that's not very relevant.
I'd love to put a 331 together, or a 347, and hell, if it's ME that's doing the wishful thinking, I'd simply start with a Windsor block, and end up in the 390ci area,...
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: Dan B. on April 17, 2013, 08:37:37 AM
Post by: Dan B. on April 17, 2013, 08:37:37 AM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;413413
.......I'd simply start with a Windsor block, and end up in the 390ci area,...
Didn't do this with my T-bird but DID do it with my Ranger. It's had a 351W in it for 15yrs. Going to yank it today to drop in a 387W built on a Lightning block!!
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: Beau on April 17, 2013, 11:20:12 AM
Post by: Beau on April 17, 2013, 11:20:12 AM
Quote from: Dan B.;413421
Didn't do this with my T-bird but DID do it with my Ranger. It's had a 351W in it for 15yrs. Going to yank it today to drop in a 387W built on a Lightning block!!
You sir, have became my goled hero, lol.
Gonna post a few pics of it? There's a few of us wouldn't mind seeing, I'm sure ;)
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: Dan B. on April 17, 2013, 02:20:54 PM
Post by: Dan B. on April 17, 2013, 02:20:54 PM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;413427
Gonna post a few pics of it? There's a few of us wouldn't mind seeing, I'm sure ;)
Will start a new thread.
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on April 17, 2013, 07:39:43 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on April 17, 2013, 07:39:43 PM
Nahh not going to deck the block it only had 30k miles on it and in my opinion unless I was going full race it's a waste
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: Aerocoupe on April 17, 2013, 09:35:26 PM
Post by: Aerocoupe on April 17, 2013, 09:35:26 PM
Not a waste at all, the more square things are the better over the long haul. If you have access to the machine and its basically free it is well worth while.
Darren
Darren
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: STANG8U on April 17, 2013, 11:10:55 PM
Post by: STANG8U on April 17, 2013, 11:10:55 PM
True
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on April 17, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on April 17, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
well we dont have a decking machine once its mocked up ill check deck height and see what it is
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: 5.0thunderbird on April 19, 2013, 09:41:52 PM
Post by: 5.0thunderbird on April 19, 2013, 09:41:52 PM
Kudos for you sense you built this in ten degrees!! Badass block dude how much horse are you expecting from it?
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: TOM Renzo on April 19, 2013, 10:27:10 PM
Post by: TOM Renzo on April 19, 2013, 10:27:10 PM
Just a question!!! Why no deck plate??
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on April 21, 2013, 01:48:45 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on April 21, 2013, 01:48:45 PM
well this isn't a boring machine is a honing machine plus i was doing small passes .005 at a time and plenty of coolant and cool down time before the final finish
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on April 21, 2013, 01:50:04 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on April 21, 2013, 01:50:04 PM
Quote from: 5.0thunderbird;413567
Kudos for you sense you built this in ten degrees!! Badass block dude how much horse are you expecting from it?
well i saw a similar set up run 385 at the crank im hoping for at least 450 with all the other goodies
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: TOM Renzo on April 21, 2013, 10:03:43 PM
Post by: TOM Renzo on April 21, 2013, 10:03:43 PM
Quote from: supercharged88;413667
well this isn't a boring machine is a honing machine plus i was doing small passes .005 at a time and plenty of coolant and cool down time before the final finish
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Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: Soul on April 23, 2013, 03:40:41 PM
Post by: Soul on April 23, 2013, 03:40:41 PM
I'd like to dyno mine to see what I make, if you dyno yours I'd be curious to see the results. I'd like to see mine over 400 hp but I have no idea, needs a tune for sure.
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on April 30, 2013, 11:44:20 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on April 30, 2013, 11:44:20 PM
yes it's a honing machine instead of boring them out they hone they cyliners with diamond stones.
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on April 30, 2013, 11:51:04 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on April 30, 2013, 11:51:04 PM
all notched out for the stroke of the crank
Cam is installed with bearings and thrust plate .006'" end play
main studs and crank installed with clevlite bearings .002" clearance (platigauge)
also installed new brass freeze plugs and rod bearings and pistons going in this week
Cam is installed with bearings and thrust plate .006'" end play
main studs and crank installed with clevlite bearings .002" clearance (platigauge)
also installed new brass freeze plugs and rod bearings and pistons going in this week
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: Soul on May 06, 2013, 09:10:32 AM
Post by: Soul on May 06, 2013, 09:10:32 AM
Looking good
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on May 20, 2013, 06:31:30 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on May 20, 2013, 06:31:30 PM
just an update pistons and rods are installed and oil pump, pan, and pickup, are test fitted pics to follow soon.
Title: *UPDATED 6-14-13* 331 stroker build
Post by: supercharged88 on June 14, 2013, 09:36:42 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on June 14, 2013, 09:36:42 PM
Just picked up fresh gas, new battery, oil and filter. Time to move the cougar back home. First time she'll see sun in two years. Then time to tear down and rebuild. She'll miss her stablemate though.
on another not not much progress on the engine after moving back from college for the summer but once the car is home ill spend my nights in the garage.
on another not not much progress on the engine after moving back from college for the summer but once the car is home ill spend my nights in the garage.
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on June 14, 2013, 09:47:01 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on June 14, 2013, 09:47:01 PM
also the pics of the pistons and timing set
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: TOM Renzo on June 14, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Post by: TOM Renzo on June 14, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
HOLY shiznit!!!!
IS THAT AN AMPHIE CAR. And is it an original one and does it run and work. I have not seen one in years. Great car!!!!
IS THAT AN AMPHIE CAR. And is it an original one and does it run and work. I have not seen one in years. Great car!!!!
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on June 14, 2013, 11:53:09 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on June 14, 2013, 11:53:09 PM
haha not sure but hopefully ill find out tomorrow
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on June 15, 2013, 01:03:54 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on June 15, 2013, 01:03:54 PM
Hey guys just an update on the cougar I couldn't believe it but all I did was put battery in and see about a gallon of gas in the thing fired right up and moved under her own power for the first time in three years I've got a smile from ear to ear
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: bryan163 on June 16, 2013, 04:43:45 PM
Post by: bryan163 on June 16, 2013, 04:43:45 PM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;417077
HOLY shiznit!!!!
IS THAT AN AMPHIE CAR. And is it an original one and does it run and work. I have not seen one in years. Great car!!!!
Title: 331 stroker build in the making CAUTION BIG PICS!!!
Post by: supercharged88 on June 19, 2013, 10:18:55 PM
Post by: supercharged88 on June 19, 2013, 10:18:55 PM
haha i wish it was mine its pretty sweet looks to be all original