General => User Rides => Topic started by: TurboCoupe50 on April 01, 2013, 08:35:53 PM
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 01, 2013, 08:35:53 PM
Last run of the 5.0 in the TC, still tries even with blown head gasket, started pulling it apart a few minutes later... She should be getting new powerplant in the next couple of weeks, no unless a deal I'm waiting on doesn't work out, it won't be the 331... Stay tuned for updates...
Sorry about the video quality basically was interested in the sound, I don't own a decent camera...
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: Clayton on April 02, 2013, 12:56:24 AM
Finally got the replacement for the kenmoore. Good to hear Tom can't wait to see it done
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 03, 2013, 03:13:03 PM
Update!!!
The wife just bought a nice Cannon 12Mp camera that takes video as well, my next video should be much better(assuming I can figure out to use the thing)...
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: turbotrav on April 03, 2013, 08:25:02 PM
How did the HG fail? Too much giggle juice?
Travis
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 03, 2013, 09:47:05 PM
I suspect the juice was a contributing factor but not directly...
The fire ring burned on #3 cylinder several years back, leaking compression into the water jacket and I had to have the TFS heads cut slightly to clean up the burn(had not sprayed in over a year & not since)... Problem was the block didn't look quite right but rather than pull a otherwise good engine, I took a chance on the gasket sealing... Proved to be a good decision as it held for a little over six years before it blew again, this time completely between #3 & #4 with no coolant loss(thrust clearance is over .100, was on it's last legs anyway)... If she had of held for maybe five more passes, could have retired honorably but no, had to be a slut and blow on the second round of eliminations at last race of year... I even won the round because it blew on top end, loosing power at the finish line, but now running on six wasn't much chance I could continue...
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: Bob on April 03, 2013, 09:51:05 PM
Thats a cool sig Tom
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 05, 2013, 11:52:15 PM
Idles a little lumpy ;).
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 06, 2013, 07:04:37 PM
Update #2
Picked up some goodies today, fresh 306 with Pro Comp heads, E-brock Performer RPM cam & intake, 70mm TB...
Gonna pull it down to the short block to verify the work & condition, it's been setting about three years...
(http://amradio.freeiz.com/turbocoupe50/306.jpg)
Also got a couple baskets of goodies in the deal, here's some of the stuff... That's a set of new 30Lb inj and matching MAF...
Still up in the air as what engine is going in the Bird... Since one of the Trick Flow heads probably needs welded to repair burn and then resurfaced, I may use the Pro Comps on the 331 and sell the TWs, gonna depend how the one with bad gasket looks like when I pull them... Hopefully I'll see in a couple of days, trans is ready to drop(have a fresh Lentech VB AOD & 3500 RPM stall converter to go back in), should have the engine out Monday... Yeah I'm pulling them separate as I'm trying to preserve my fully charged A/C...
I'm also working on a 70s Ford product(actually a Mercury) with 8:1 CR, smogger 302, one of the engines will find it's way into it...
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: Beau on April 07, 2013, 12:00:51 AM
Subscribing. :)
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 10, 2013, 09:13:14 PM
Well due to various things taking my time, the engine is still in the car... I have pulled the heads and the area between the cylinders on the right head is only slightly damaged, should not take more than a .005 cut to clean it up again...
Soooo it's gonna be build the 331 as originally planned, reusing the TW heads & Stage 1 cam with the 306 going into the '72 Comet... The Birdie will also get a fresh AOD with 3500 stall, was using a 2600 with the 5.0...
Ought to be peppy coming out of the hole... :burnout:
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: Clayton on April 11, 2013, 12:51:42 AM
Looks like it was about to go between cylinders 2 and 3 also. Good deal cant wait to see this one back out on the track
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 11, 2013, 09:11:07 PM
Quote from: 87thunderbirdBlackJack;413046
Looks like it was about to go between cylinders 2 and 3 also. Good deal cant wait to see this one back out on the track
Yeah and there's a story behind that...
When the gasket blew from #3 into the water jacket, the block showed a slight dip in the area where the fire ring seals, so I elongated the gasket holes and moved it to the edge of the cylinder bore... Strangely for a original block & pistons, the slugs are approx .003 out of the holes, so once the gasket compressed the fire ring overlapped the bore slightly and you see the result... There is a nice dent in the fire ring between #2 & #3, but it's perfect between #1 & #2... The gasket on left bank was perfect with no issues, but of course it was centered between the bores...
Engine is now out and heads are going to the machine shop in the next couple days...
The 331 short block came home today, going to install the cam, pan, front cover, etc so it'll be ready when the heads come home... Got to make up a list of the pieces I want to replace, probably going to get a set of 1.7 rockers, to give that TF Stage-1 a little more lift...
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: turbotrav on April 12, 2013, 08:28:04 AM
Subscribing...
The 3500 stall should give the old girl some real scoot...
Travis
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 13, 2013, 08:41:04 AM
Bought a set of 1.7 rockers...
Went with these, hope quality is as good as they claim, if so will probably order a set for the 306 as well...
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 13, 2013, 11:09:07 AM
Those rockers are cheap. I paid over $400 for a set of FRPP 1.6 roller rockers.
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: Beau on April 13, 2013, 11:11:50 AM
Doesn't Crane make the Ford Racing rockers? Or did I mix up the brand?
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: Beau on April 13, 2013, 11:20:08 AM
I've got a set of roller rockers I bought from Vinnie awhile back, they look like great stuff. I'll go snap a pic of 'em here in a few. I'm getting ready to take the 50 dollar 5.0 (the one that had coolant in 2 cylinders when I tore it down) to the shop Monday for a cleaning. I'm also going to discuss with John (shop owner, known him for years) about boring the block, and doing a little port work on my P heads, or if he still does it.
Sorry Tom, didn't mean to hijack...your build has got me motivated to finally get started on my own :)
Mine will just be a 306, big cam, ported heads, Cobra intake (or Explorer, whichever I decide to use), 65mm TB, no power adder. I'd like to have around 300 horsepower, but we'll see what the shop guy says about my stuff first.
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 13, 2013, 11:40:15 AM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;413188
Doesn't Crane make the Ford Racing rockers? Or did I mix up the brand?
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;413190
I've got a set of roller rockers I bought from Vinnie awhile back, they look like great stuff. I'll go snap a pic of 'em here in a few. I'm getting ready to take the 50 dollar 5.0 (the one that had coolant in 2 cylinders when I tore it down) to the shop Monday for a cleaning. I'm also going to discuss with John (shop owner, known him for years) about boring the block, and doing a little port work on my P heads, or if he still does it.
Sorry Tom, didn't mean to hijack...your build has got me motivated to finally get started on my own :)
Mine will just be a 306, big cam, ported heads, Cobra intake (or Explorer, whichever I decide to use), 65mm TB, no power adder. I'd like to have around 300 horsepower, but we'll see what the shop guy says about my stuff first.
Crane does makre the FRPP rockers.
Port work on GT40/GT40Ps should put you over 300 flywheel hp easy. My combo with GT40P heads and a 65mm Tb made about 290 at the flywheel. The heads were bone stock except for springs.
Back on topic. I know you're going to run the Trick Flow heads on the 331 but were you going to do any port work to them? They might be a little small for the 331.
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 13, 2013, 12:19:31 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;413195
Back on topic. I know you're going to run the Trick Flow heads on the 331 but were you going to do any port work to them? They might be a little small for the 331.
Ummm back in the day when I bought them, folks were saying they were too large for a street 302 & more suited for a 351...
I'll see what the machine shop says, but likely I'm running them as is, not really planning to spin it over 6K RPMs...
Guess I'll be the Guenna Pig on those rockers... If I don't like the looks I'll send them back...
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;413190
Mine will just be a 306, big cam, ported heads, Cobra intake (or Explorer, whichever I decide to use), 65mm TB, no power adder. I'd like to have around 300 horsepower, but we'll see what the shop guy says about my stuff first.
How big a cam you planning???
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 13, 2013, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;413201
Ummm back in the day when I bought them, folks were saying they were too large for a street 302 & more suited for a 351...
I'll see what the machine shop says, but likely I'm running them as is, not really planning to spin it over 6K RPMs...
I keep hearing that the base Twisted Wedge heads are too small for a 351W. Perhaps Trick Flow has changed the base TW head in the last few years?
Title: Last Hoorah
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 13, 2013, 05:49:35 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;413215
I keep hearing that the base Twisted Wedge heads are too small for a 351W. Perhaps Trick Flow has changed the base TW head in the last few years?
I believe it's generally forgotten the TW heads have the intake valve moved closer to the port opening, so the 170cc runner is more the size(ex for length) of conventional heads that have a 190cc port...
No doubt they'd be lacking in a big inch engine running open headers, but on a street 331 with full exhaust, I can't see them as too small...