General => Lounge => Topic started by: TOM Renzo on March 24, 2013, 07:02:01 AM
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Post by: TOM Renzo on March 24, 2013, 07:02:01 AM
Well
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Post by: ZondaC12 on March 24, 2013, 09:46:56 AM
In the end no one knows just who sits at the computer on the other side of the network connection if they never meet them in person. I think it's called "Confirmation Bias", when your mind basically accepts only the hard evidence that supports your theory, and immediately disqualifies anything else as en error or fluke. Which of course warps the definition of "fluke" because likely half the evidence is being categorized as a "fluke". So when a newcomer like yourself joins, tries to establish him/herself in the way you did, I'll admit at first I didn't know what to think. Logically it makes sense, you wanted to simply regurgitate correct mechanical knowledge so people would welcome you into conversation about whatever came up next, quickly breaking the "new guy" ice.
Definitely a fine line to walk between providing a ton of helpful info and appearing self-important. There's no second chance on first impressions, and if yours didn't go so well, so be it. You have a successful business, you must be doing *something* right, and if you know for sure that you're doing things right, treating customers the right way, treating the people that love you the right way....who cares what a bunch of people you've never met think? It's very tough to have faith in yourself and be satisfied with that. It must date back to the caveman days, we need recognition from everyone that "Yup, you kick ass man!" or we cannot help but doubt that we are what we want to be. And then there are plenty that are patted on the back daily because of what or who they are, and they really want something entirely different...
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Post by: TOM Renzo on March 24, 2013, 10:16:21 AM
Thanks i
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Post by: Clayton on March 24, 2013, 10:46:30 AM
Its great to speak your mind my good sir, and i wish more people would. But with some people you kinda have to handle them with kid gloves. Not everyone sees the exact way you do in alot of the cases they see the exact opposite. Like zonda said first impressions are sometimes a very vital key to how some people look at you through the entirety of your posting. Knowledge is great, however, how you execute your display of knowledge to others can be the make or break in the conversation. Telling people that a certain way is the only way and that's how it is no matter what isn't the greatest way about it. We want options, opinions, reactions, tried and trues, experimental procedures, and results.
Don't be so quick to chime in on a subject, I've learned that in my almost 10 year venture here. Let some things stew a little bit, maybe someone will chime in and a few more will also. Input tidbits of info here and there some things that some wouldn't know.
This board in the 10 years I've been on it has always had a very respectful atmosphere, and I feel that it is mutual all the way around the board. Respect is earned, we dont just give it away lol. I frequent a few boards, not alot of places are like this one. Hell, we give par to people who need them, kind of like a family ya know?
Just be calm cool and collected there Uncle Tom and everything will get easier
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Post by: jcassity on March 24, 2013, 11:08:54 AM
I broke up the on line invented definition below
An internet 'troll' is an abusive or obnoxious user who uses shock value to promote arguments and disharmony in online communities.
Named after the wicked troll creatures of children's tales, an internet troll is someone who stirs up drama and abuses their online anonymity by purposely sowing ~i dont feel abused, there may be a little drama now and again. hatred, ~havent seen you sow this bigotry, ~havent seen you sow this racism, ~havent seen you sow this mysogyny, ~have seen you sow this , hating on women(i had to look that up) or just simple bickering between others. ~hell , this happens with everyone, its called character and possibly passion Trolls like a big audience, so they frequent blog sites, news sites, discussion forums, and game chat. ~i dont believe you frequent many chat sites, your inexperience in terminology and random other things ive noticed tells me you treat the internet like you would in person,, thats called honesty.,,being the person you are. Trolls thrive in any environment where they are allowed to make public comments.~i didnt know you were from capital hill~~!!
i went through this similar conversation one time before with you. You are experienced, efficient, straight shooting and passionate with your lessons you have learned and hate to see people struggle, you want to prevent the struggle and share what you can to prevent wasting time. My opinion~ you focus more on efficiency and fact and police your enviroment to make sure you do the very thing you expect yourself to do and that would be to pass on what you can to those who have the capcity and willingness to listen. Its the "father" side of you that you cant abandon people when you know you can help... as is exactly what i do with my own boys.
The truth be told, people dont like a know it all and the envented definition is rather oddly structured and ironically it pertains more to giving less motivated, less studied, less hands on individuals a word to call someone who actually does stuff and knows things.
Ive ran across 2 trolls on this board, they offered nothing of substance to the passion of these cars, they were fundamentally "mental" and honestly i couldnt understand why they stayed thier short times.
I like this board a lot, I like it as well because i get honest answers or i get my compass realigned when im out of line.
experienced, efficient, straight shooting and passionate~that you are Troll~ that i cant see you being
what the hell though? who likes getting down to the facts anyway?
I dont believe for a minute that letting a topic stew while you site back not giving the full answer helps, its inefficient and does not promote the path of least resistance or growth when someone wants to learn or know an answer to a question. . . . We did not make it to the moon being soft/gental or spitting out little bits of info now and again for the sake of someone elses "feels"~ F that~!! I wanna Kick ass or get my ass kicked when an objective or goal is so close and due diligence was set asside for the sake of others feelings, its not bullying, its called >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TEACHING!!
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Post by: Chooglin on March 24, 2013, 11:19:03 AM
Tom, there is no doubt that you are a man of knowledge "you prove that over and over" but as said above,there are more than 1 opinion that counts. you are very persistent at wanting people to see things your way.That is how these threads go off on a tangent and become "wrecked"
In IMO ,you have done this to several threads on this board.this board is about spreading your knowledge and helping others with problems, Not convincing others to agree with your opinion.
I hope to see you hang around and continue to help others here,but do it in a diff. manner than in the past.
Not trying to cause trouble,would just like to read threads without all the unnecessary BS added to them
Joe
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Post by: 88turbo on March 24, 2013, 12:33:41 PM
Tom, I dont want you to think that I target you or dislike you as you do have some really good info that you share. I dont like how you try to force your opinion or ways upon someone that is merely trying to build something the way they want to do it. All of us have an image in our minds of how we want our cars to be and that shouldnt be detoured by someone else. I myself try to learn as much as I can about what I want to do then I go in and do it and if I run into a problem I research more and figure out what needs to be done. I also have people come to me and ask for advice and the proper way to do something but I never try to make them do something they dont want to do. Tom, if you want, make some threads about info you want to share with us and we can share our opinions with you.
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Post by: Beau on March 24, 2013, 12:34:55 PM
Tom, we've had some spirited discussions on cars and our our (frequently) differing opinions of cars...and while I've been left annoyed at times....the word troll never came to my mind.
I also wouldn't allow anything on the internet to keep me awake at night, either.
You sir, have more experience than anyone. Plus you're a vet, and have the creds to back up your posts. If they don't like it, they can f*ck off. Respectfully, Beau.
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 24, 2013, 02:57:10 PM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;411722
Tom, we've had some spirited discussions on cars and our our (frequently) differing opinions of cars...and while I've been left annoyed at times....the word troll never came to my mind.
I also wouldn't allow anything on the internet to keep me awake at night, either.
You sir, have more experience than anyone. Plus you're a vet, and have the creds to back up your posts. If they don't like it, they can f*ck off. Respectfully, Beau.
Guess I'm gonna shag off then...
Bye
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Post by: TOM Renzo on March 24, 2013, 03:17:39 PM
Not
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Post by: 86cougar on March 24, 2013, 11:00:12 PM
Quote from: tom renzo;411705
well someone said i troll . So i looked it up.
Question: What is an internet 'troll'? How should i deal with trolls? Answer: An internet 'troll' is an abusive or obnoxious user who uses shock value to promote arguments and disharmony in online communities. Named after the wicked troll creatures of children's tales, an internet troll is someone who stirs up drama and abuses their online anonymity by purposely sowing hatred, bigotry, racism, mysogyny, or just simple bickering between others. Trolls like a big audience, so they frequent blog sites, news sites, discussion forums, and game chat. Trolls thrive in any environment where they are allowed to make public comments.
So with the explination above i think i do not troll.
I am guilty of trying to give out info factual as i have been in the car business all my life. I pass on info whether correct to some or totally nonsense to others. I have posted fixes and have shared story's about car repairs and car problems. So have others not just me. That is why i post on forums. I dont think i am disrespectful but when someone postes something that is incorrect in my view i respond. I understand different people have different ideas and that is ok. Nothing wrong with that. I also realize this is a ford site and the people are loyal to that. That is a good thing. So i just wanted to comment on irt for what it is worth. I am 65 years old have been building cars all my life. I have twisted welded glued wrapped hammered and put together all types of cars. I am responsible for the lives of people that depend on me to pay there mortauges send there kids to school and provide them with income. I am a good boss as the people that work for me are loyal and extreamly good at what they do. So a troll maybe but i think some are correct and im see a pattern of beating down on things that i post and firmly believe. Thanks for the time on the site and to all i have helped it was my pleasure. Have a nice sunday palm sunday. A troll maybe but i do not think so. Thank you.
lol!!
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Post by: 86cougar on March 24, 2013, 11:02:55 PM
Quote from: Chooglin;411719
Tom, there is no doubt that you are a man of knowledge "you prove that over and over" but as said above,there are more than 1 opinion that counts. you are very persistent at wanting people to see things your way.That is how these threads go off on a tangent and become "wrecked"
In IMO ,you have done this to several threads on this board.this board is about spreading your knowledge and helping others with problems, Not convincing others to agree with your opinion.
I hope to see you hang around and continue to help others here,but do it in a diff. manner than in the past.
Not trying to cause trouble,would just like to read threads without all the unnecessary BS added to them
Joe
Well put.
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Post by: Beau on March 24, 2013, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;411735
Guess I'm gonna shag off then...
Bye
Maybe I'm a little too sarcastic for my own good ;)
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Post by: ZondaC12 on March 24, 2013, 11:28:50 PM
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Post by: TOM Renzo on March 25, 2013, 06:04:56 AM
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Post by: Chuck W on March 25, 2013, 07:12:16 AM
Quote from: Chooglin;411719
Tom, there is no doubt that you are a man of knowledge "you prove that over and over" but as said above,there are more than 1 opinion that counts. you are very persistent at wanting people to see things your way.That is how these threads go off on a tangent and become "wrecked"
In IMO ,you have done this to several threads on this board.this board is about spreading your knowledge and helping others with problems, Not convincing others to agree with your opinion.
I hope to see you hang around and continue to help others here,but do it in a diff. manner than in the past.
Quoted for emphasis.
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Post by: 50RACER on March 25, 2013, 09:56:04 AM
Tom, as my post count indicates, I am the newest member to comment on this subject thus far. I've read a lot of your posts and while I think the wording of your posts could sometimes be a little more "friendly", for lack of a better word, I very much appreciate your knowledge and your willingness to share it as well as your honesty. I like people like that. I don't wear my feelings on my sleeve and when there is knowledge to be gained from your experience, I'll sift through the info and opinions that aren't beneficial to me and take out and use what is. You have been helpful to me. Keep it up! :)
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Post by: MY83T on March 25, 2013, 10:11:24 AM
Its rarely the message, and often the delivery that people can be at odds with in general. I am not mechanically inclined enough to jump into many of the technical threads for not wanting to sound like a dummy, so i do count on the knowledgeable people to discuss the things i have no depth about. I think there are many ways to accomplish a goal with the same result....i think its about economy of action and efficiency that it comes down to in the end. When i use my photo gear, i can secure a loose fitting strobe head with 3 turns of a screw, or a half of a roll of duct tape. They both work and accomplish the same end, albeit one is a more elegant solution than the other. One can only suggest to others, and no matter how well intentioned the message, people will not hear it if they feel intimidated or don't like the tone. ALl that being said, i think you are a nice person, and good man with a generally positive message. Keep on contributing.....
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Post by: Chuck W on March 25, 2013, 12:41:45 PM
Also, technically, this thread is "trolling" by another definition. Trolling is also a form of fishing (in the literal sense) by slowly dragging lines behind a boat, in hopes to lure fish. (But I'm sure you know that)
This thread was dropped here "fishing" for support. You tossed it off the back of your boat and idled along hoping people would "bite" and tell you that you're "OK".
I almost deleted it as soon as it was posted, simply because I'm tired of all the BS from all sides. I hate these fishing type of threads.
Yes, you have knowledge and experience that folks will find useful. HOWEVER, not everyone is going to agree with what you say and how you do things. Even less people are going to agree with your delivery, especially when you flat out tell them that their ideas are STUPID or DUMB, mainly because you don't agree with them. Backing that up with the passive-aggressive "What do I know, anyway?" jabs is just added flavor for annoyance.
Stop riding threads to the ground just because you MUST prove to all involved that your way is the best and only way, and everyone else knows nothing compared to you.
Maybe you don't see that you're doing it, but I imagine you're not that oblivious to it. Perhaps you're not "trolling" in the urban dictionary definition of looking for a fight or just being as ass because you can, but you certainly try hard to make sure everyone knows you're right...
Just calling it how I see it.
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Post by: JeremyB on March 25, 2013, 12:51:31 PM
Quote from: Chuck W;411812
Backing that up with the passive-aggressive "What do I know, anyway?" jabs is just added flavor for annoyance.
Yes, those kinds of statements don't earn any kudos when you're discussing fastener science with someone who specs out fasteners for military aviation applications as a part of his job.
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Post by: Chrome on March 25, 2013, 02:01:44 PM
Can we please just accept other people's diffrences? Some people like different things. Some people see things differently. Some people go about doing things a different way. Not to mention, some people have to do things differently because they have to (money is tight for some of us). Many times there is multiple ways to accomplish the same thing. Most importanty, could we please just treat each other with respect?
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Post by: Chooglin on March 25, 2013, 04:15:37 PM
Quote from: Chuck W;411812
Also, technically, this thread is "trolling" by another definition. Trolling is also a form of fishing (in the literal sense) by slowly dragging lines behind a boat, in hopes to lure fish. (But I'm sure you know that)
This thread was dropped here "fishing" for support. You tossed it off the back of your boat and idled along hoping people would "bite" and tell you that you're "OK".
I almost deleted it as soon as it was posted, simply because I'm tired of all the BS from all sides. I hate these fishing type of threads.
Yes, you have knowledge and experience that folks will find useful. HOWEVER, not everyone is going to agree with what you say and how you do things. Even less people are going to agree with your delivery, especially when you flat out tell them that their ideas are STUPID or DUMB, mainly because you don't agree with them. Backing that up with the passive-aggressive "What do I know, anyway?" jabs is just added flavor for annoyance.
Stop riding threads to the ground just because you MUST prove to all involved that your way is the best and only way, and everyone else knows nothing compared to you.
Maybe you don't see that you're doing it, but I imagine you're not that oblivious to it. Perhaps you're not "trolling" in the urban dictionary definition of looking for a fight or just being as ass because you can, but you certainly try hard to make sure everyone knows you're right...
Just calling it how I see it.
This will be my last post on this thread,but I just had to comment on the fact that Chuck seen my post exactly how it was meant to be!!!!!
As far as line 2 in Chucks comment,he succeeded in doing just that !!!!.............he is going to have himself a nice fish fry when he gets home because he has a stringer full of fish.
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Post by: 86cougar on March 25, 2013, 05:11:36 PM
What's that old saying, if ten people tell you there's a problem, they can't be all wrong....
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Post by: ZondaC12 on March 25, 2013, 07:09:35 PM
My friend has a 1990 Corvette with the L98 350 and always complains that he can't believe how much more "racecar-ish" "howling" and just flat out mean my Ford small blocks sound, where his car just doesn't have that. You can't argue with results, and so the natural solution ought to be, well IDIOT put a Ford mill in there and your problems are solved. Now you have the thing you wish for, but you just ruined the Chevrolet halo car by putting a Ford motor in it. There are surely other solutions, maybe more costly, maybe that require more ingenuity and work, less self-explanatory, but they will do the job and not dilute the origin of the car with something totally foreign. "You can't argue with results"...except when the word results takes on a much more broad and multi-level definition than *just* horsepower or *just* airflow or *just* driveability. Which of course varies widely, car to car, owner to owner.
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Post by: Beau on March 25, 2013, 07:20:52 PM
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My friend has a 1990 Corvette with the L98 350 and always complains that he can't believe how much more "racecar-ish" "howling" and just flat out mean my Ford small blocks sound, where his car just doesn't have that.
First...the Corvette wasn't really meant to sound like a redneck hoopty, with screaming exhaust and a vibrating engine...think a higher level of refinement than a late 60's, big cammed-and-carbed big-block musclecar. Hell, today's Honda Civic could probably come pretty close to handing an L98 'Vette it's ass from a stoplight..
Secondly...while most of us think the essential rumble of a small block is key to a hot car....to some people, little more than a quiet gurgle is too much.
Now, I'm not saying that YOUR car is redneckian NASACR screamer, but the '90 Vette was no world class Ferrari, either. Sometimes, muscle doesn't have to be overstated. I don't care for exhausts that sounds like they're been all but hacked off, and I hate the way glasspacks sound. They sound like shiznit, I honestly think.
With THAT said...how can you compare a chebette...errr, corvette....to the greatest late '80s rear drive V8 car to ever roll out of Lorain Ohio?!
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Post by: ZondaC12 on March 25, 2013, 10:06:32 PM
He does actually have dynomax bullets on it (glasspacks haha) which are midmounted because that's about all there is space for in that tiny tunnel. It had Flowmasters in the back, and it's still pretty much the same syndrome - it doesn't have much tone to it, not much "roar", I just hear the cylinders and that seems to be it. When we finally found out the factory tach was too high by about 1500 RPM on the top end, that did help because he didn't short shift the hell out of it anymore lol. It does sound pissed off when he hammers on it. But with my dumped Flowmasters, hell even in the black car with open header cutouts, if you're not RIGHT next to the car or inside it (like in my burnout video on my facebook page) it still has that "SBF howl" as he and I say anyway. Maybe it's his 2.25" instead of 2.5" exhaust. Maybe it's a combination of things. Usually stacked influences contribute much more strongly than any one given problem. In any case it's mean and the car is lots of fun to rip around in, and that's all that matters :)
As a side note: worse still is he looks at anything with an LS motor and wonders why the hell those have a much more roaring note to 'em. I wonder myself too, it is in the end, still a pushrod 350. With much better airflow...
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Post by: Beau on March 26, 2013, 03:12:37 AM
Nah. Any LS has so much more air flow than the older Gen II engines, even with the TPI intake. (Jesus Christ, WHY am I knowing of this shiznit? Shoot me please.)
The LS makes good power because of the ability to flow so well out of the box. Heads and intake, and probably some valve angle help that a bit too.
Not saying the LT1/Vortec engines are junk (well, except for that godawful optispark...thing) but the LS engine will eat them alive, if you compare same same size engines, and so forth.
Geeze, makes me out to be a troll here, and all.
Anywho, back to the Blue Oval, now :)
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Post by: ZondaC12 on March 26, 2013, 11:04:02 AM
Yeah, and no matter who the manufacturer is....a V8 is a V8. It's not gonna sound like a fart-canned Honda/Yota/Mistu/et al. So he should be thankful for that!!! lol
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Post by: Soul on March 26, 2013, 05:12:46 PM
So I have a spare turbo 2.3 and was gonna drop it in a ranger I have sitting, and seriously thought about putting a fart can on it for giggles. Pull up to ricer in my little ranger with the fart can at a light would just be hilarious.
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Post by: Beau on March 27, 2013, 12:11:36 AM
^^Put 5.0 badges on each fender, and tell the rice pilots that you have a leaking manifold and a bad plug wire..lol
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Post by: Chuck W on March 28, 2013, 07:23:42 AM
Well, now I see that you've "taken your ball and gone home" and have gone back and deleted a bunch of your old posts, Tom.
Obviously you were fine with folks raining praise on you, but can't deal with anyone that offers a differing opinion than what you think it should be.
Oh well. It is what it is.
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Post by: Soul on March 28, 2013, 10:47:21 AM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;411925
^^Put 5.0 badges on each fender, and tell the rice pilots that you have a leaking manifold and a bad plug wire..lol
You Sir may be a genius :D
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Post by: ZondaC12 on March 28, 2013, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: Chuck W;412020
Well, now I see that you've "taken your ball and gone home" and have gone back and deleted a bunch of your old posts, Tom.
Obviously you were fine with folks raining praise on you, but can't deal with anyone that offers a differing opinion than what you think it should be.
Oh well. It is what it is.
It's good that you don't forget things like that, I did, and I now remember that has been a frequent habit of his.
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Post by: TOM Renzo on March 28, 2013, 12:35:11 PM
Quote from: Chuck W;412020
Well, now I see that you've "taken your ball and gone home" and have gone back and deleted a bunch of your old posts, Tom.
Obviously you were fine with folks raining praise on you, but can't deal with anyone that offers a differing opinion than what you think it should be.
Oh well. It is what it is.
Not really Chuck just doing some THINKING THAT'S ALL.
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Post by: 86cougar on March 28, 2013, 12:49:24 PM
I know that when I came to this forum to ask for help, Tom was one of the first to step up to help me. As anybody could tell, my knowledge of my 1986 Cougar was very limited. I as well do not like to see where anyone should pick one person out and stone him, but Tom has a tendency to start a new thread with his head on the block. I always got the feeling that Tom was very passionate about his job and his love for cars and this sometimes may have dictated his behavior (something I am also guilty of). I started reading about flylear45's turbo last night and I just couldn't stop reading! If I ever tried such a venture, I might as well save myself a lot of work and headaches and put a rag in the tank, light it and save myself the time. The knowledge on this forum is awesome! What really amazes me is that several guys here are walking it though with him and seem to understand everything from the turbo to paint in detail. When I was asking questions about my car it was like pre-school in comparison. Some even came close to saying I was retarded (lol). Others would chime in and offer help. I've taken a lot of Tom's advice and I've taken many others as well. I know there are a few young men on this forum that know a lot more about cars than I do and can turn a wrench faster than me, but then I know that and if ever one of them offered to help me, I know enough to step back and let them. All I can say is with all the beatings I've received on this forum, they were worth the knowledge I have gained. So, if you must take your bat out and beat me with it, at least maybe you will be too busy to bother the new kid next to me. All kidding aside, I would hate to see anyone with years of knowledge get up and walk away. At the same time I feel some respect for one another is in order. Thanks!
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Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on March 28, 2013, 02:22:17 PM
There's been a few guys on this forum I've wanted to punch in the face at one time or another, Tom has taken his turn, but to single him out as the resident troll is somewhat unfair. Tom has exhibited troll-like tendencies, but has added to the board at least as much as he has detracted from it. Having said that, Tom Renzo has no diplomacy skills whatsoever. This may serve him well in the shop he runs, where he is the boss; but on the forum where he's a resource, it can be a hindrance, particularly where he meets resistance from people who don't answer to him. It's hard to not be the boss for some people. Case in point, a certain V8 swap thread we've probably all read. In this instance Tom had an amazing wealth of knowledge to lend and good advice, but it wasn't the knowledge and advice that the OP was looking for. Tom had a hard time accepting that OP's goals for the car weren't in line with what his own would have been, and this is because Tom is in charge in his corner of the world.
At the end of the day, I would rather have Tom around just as he is, than not have him here at all.
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Post by: Chrome on March 28, 2013, 04:38:29 PM
Quote from: TheFoeYouKnow;412054
There's been a few guys on this forum I've wanted to punch in the face at one time or another, Tom has taken his turn, but to single him out as the resident troll is somewhat unfair. Tom has exhibited troll-like tendencies, but has added to the board at least as much as he has detracted from it. Having said that, Tom Renzo has no diplomacy skills whatsoever. This may serve him well in the shop he runs, where he is the boss; but on the forum where he's a resource, it can be a hindrance, particularly where he meets resistance from people who don't answer to him. It's hard to not be the boss for some people. Case in point, a certain V8 swap thread we've probably all read. In this instance Tom had an amazing wealth of knowledge to lend and good advice, but it wasn't the knowledge and advice that the OP was looking for. Tom had a hard time accepting that OP's goals for the car weren't in line with what his own would have been, and this is because Tom is in charge in his corner of the world.
At the end of the day, I would rather have Tom around just as he is, than not have him here at all.
Good point. However, his behavior has caused many arguments and hyjacked threads. This has caused the loss of many good members. One must ask himself "Do we want one person with vast amounts of knowledge, or several people with vast amounts of knowledge?"
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Post by: TOM Renzo on March 28, 2013, 07:20:01 PM
Like i said just doing some sereyous thinking right now. And i wont make anyone feel uncomfortable one bit any more. But in the shop i am the boss and just trying to keep people working. Example when the economy tanked i was really in a good position. Reason being people are keeping older cars. But when the economy is good people buy new cars. So i had to change gears several times in the business world. The car business is difficult. I have sat back and read some of your profiles and it made me think a lot. Some are trained mechanics in different fields. Some are students some do not have jobs i am thinking and some have part time jobs and that made me think very hard. Even with the difference in income jobs and feelings we all love cars. I find that interesting that the training drove some in other directions. Like i said the car business is tough all the way around. This is common in my business as people do not basically like to be in the car business for whatever reason they decide it is there choice. You are regular hard working people and who the hell am i to bust you balls. But on the other hand i love to pass on things i do and if it helps someone that makes me feel good. But i get crazy with things as i go overboard when i do things. But then again people on the board just bashed the RICERS. I know it is just messing around but some of those ricers have cars that are DAM FAST. I mean fast as hell. And some hate chevys ETC. But it seems like when i point things out i am taken to task. Why i do not know that is why i am doing some sereyous thinking and keeping a low profile to gather my thoughts and ways. With that i do respect peoples ideas and knowledge. Even if i come off like a shiznit head. I have to change that and i will. Thanks
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Post by: MY83T on March 28, 2013, 10:36:14 PM
Tom, i think respect for all is needed and common courtesy is in short supply these days in all walks of life. As i have said its more about style and delivery of an idea, than the idea itself. As for bashing Chevy's or Ricers, thats just good natured ball busting as this is a Ford Thunderbird/Cougar forum after all. Im sure its the same on the Chevy boards and the Subaru and Honda forums as well regarding our whopping 158 HP Thunderturds as they must call them. The hardest part of any online forum, is communicating ones state of mind and emotional state when posting. Basic things like sarcasm and humor often are misconstrued and hard to understand sometimes if you don't know the poster very well or where they are coming from. I don't think soul searching is needed or required, the vibe is maybe to just learn some patience and tolerance for other ways of doing things even if you know in your heart there is a faster or better way to get there. A PM can often achieve the more positive result than beating a idea into a person's skull who is married to their own way of doing things. If we had the ability to share a beer and hash it all out, this would be a 10 minute chat and we would all be laughing and kidding around.
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Post by: Beau on March 29, 2013, 02:07:38 AM
Quote from: 86cougar;412050
I would hate to see anyone with years of knowledge get up and walk away. At the same time I feel some respect for one another is in order. Thanks!
With all due respect, you should go back and read some of OP's posts when he first came here.
I find it odd that someone who's confident, even arrogant at time about his experience, tools, cars, methods what-have-you would be so insufficient in...something, that he'd feel the need to go back and edit his posts to be less of something I can't.....understand.
I've been on many a forum since 1998, read a LOT of shiznit talked and implied. This place has been the most down to earth and mellow place until just the past couple years. Almost all of the old guys who came here when the OLD tbird page crumbled knew and still know each other's names, and even their kids names. They had respect...and they came out with that respect first. Now it's all about "gimme gimme" first, and to hell with respect..just "hey, this is how I do it, it's the best way, and f*ck you if you feel differently.
I'm strong willed too, but I can also learn new ideas if I see they are better than what my methods are. I also don't force my ways onto others.
If TR wants to "take his ball and run home"...so be it. There was a little drama when him and his kid landed here, as well as on some other forums. They were a lot less tolerant, and maybe that just goes to say what a great group of folks we have that run this place. He has and does contribute, but, as stated, when argued with, it becomes a big g match each and every time.
I've only ever put one guy on ignore here, and he was a complete douchenozzle, and was banned pretty sudden-like. I could make it two, and honestly, I should, but to me that's only slightly better than just leaving because I got chap-ass over something I read on the internet. North Korea is threatening to launch missile at our land, and here we are, arguing on the 'web like little kids on the playground. Jesus christ, what a waste of time this thread is. LOL.
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Post by: TOM Renzo on March 29, 2013, 06:51:07 AM
I can definitely relate to KOREA. But it has been many years since i proudly wore this PATCH. I am to old now. But i would like to kick their ass just once.
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Post by: Beau on March 29, 2013, 06:36:08 PM
^^^Way things are sounding..we may yet again. I wouldn't have wasted the gas to fly a plane over for just show though.....I would've put a bunch of ex lax in the bomb bay and let 'em have it.
That way we can say we finally knocked the shiznit out of em. From the other side of the world.
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Post by: TOM Renzo on March 29, 2013, 08:14:22 PM
You are right it is getting NASTY!!! I am getting a littls shaky over the new as reports.
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Post by: 86cougar on March 30, 2013, 04:13:07 PM
Good time to send all those kids out on the streets in gangs ect. over to North Korea. Let them take their own guns and drop them (and their drugs) from aircraft. They are so set on killing someone, it would give them something to shoot at other than Americans and each other. Their mindless (yes, I'm being nice) parents probably wouldn't know that they are even gone as much as they seem to pay attention to them. In fact America has a few jails we could empty out that way. Don't worry, I'm not going to run for office......ever.
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Post by: Beau on March 30, 2013, 04:57:43 PM
I doubt the RNK has an army that can defeat ours, but some street kids that have no combat training will stand little chance.
Hard to tell if they have any nuclear weapons, so it's a standoff in that regard. But in my opinion, a surgical strike to eliminate them as a nuclear threat would be a carefully weighed choice of action..notice i did not say a preemptive strike.
I don't want to see a long drawn-out worthless war to bring a democracy to a people who really have no concept of such. I DO want to see action taken against people who would like threaten our nation, and those nations of free people who enjoy a way of life that those in the RNK do not. I don't think tossing nukes around the globe is at all a sensible thing, from either side.
With that said, this is as political as I have ever been on this board, and it's not my intention to be that way. I'm sorry if this turns into a shiznitstorm, wasn't my intention at all.
Long live the Red, White, and Blue, The American way of life, and a special thanks to our soldiers.
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Post by: 86cougar on March 30, 2013, 07:27:39 PM
Problem is, they are only a small puppies. Their are greater powers who are just waiting for us to make a move.
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Post by: Chuck W on March 31, 2013, 03:26:23 PM