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Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: xjeffs on January 01, 2013, 01:26:24 PM
Could it be a Cougar?  Mark IX?

http://www.torquenews.com/1081/lincoln-motor-company-hints-ford-mustang-based-rear-drive-coupe

Also did you guys see Kevin Morgan's verison of the Cougar?

http://www.amcarguide.com/concept/mercury-cougar-concept-by-kevin-morgan/

(http://www.amcarguide.com/wp-content/gallery/km-cougar/mercury-cougar-concept-kevin-morgan-01.jpg)

I've always thought it should have a touch of the 80's so here's my version with the rear side window tweaked.

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/740905_10151236391569790_706152026_o.jpg)
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: STANG8U on January 01, 2013, 01:41:02 PM
Interesting
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: Scott D on January 01, 2013, 01:42:50 PM
Wasn't the Lincoln LS based on a modified SN-95 chassis?
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: jcassity on January 01, 2013, 01:50:43 PM
this comment hit home for me, and it is high time that different starts looking and feeling just that.............

4. Understand that there is NO market for an "upmarket" Mustang re-badged as a Lincoln. Different demographic groups, expectations of the car, and buyers who buy based on performance and price. This is not Lincoln's target demographic. (It would also compete unnecessarily with the Mustang, raise costs per vehicle, and NOT increase sales throughout the Ford/Lincoln corporation)



There is absolutly no other car on the road that looks even close to the fox birds or cougs, even during thier ear of the 80's they stood out unlike anything else.

today,, its really hard to separate the lines on the cars running the roads to "at a glance know" what car that was. 

We need an "at a glance" car today and the mustang has always measured up even if soem of us didnt really agree with the final product.  The charger did well also for the glance test.

linc needs a glance test car that clearly says what it is,,, hell even the prius passes the glance test............. 
VW is doing a decent job of manipulating the glance test......
My wifes ghia on the other hand certainly passes the glance test but 99% of people who look at it smile because its so different,, nothing like it.

Its my belief that the auto makers lost thier way thinking revenue too often and while the dollar drove the P&L.  The first impression is a lasting one and to this , the glance test and appeal needs satisfied for linc to survive on its own.

and yet............
Exhibit A:  imho, an epic Phale,, the "porshe cayenne"  , SUV, looks like a hyundai
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: xjeffs on January 01, 2013, 03:45:27 PM
The responder "John" was off base on a few of his points, including that #4 point.
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: Beau on January 01, 2013, 04:00:31 PM
I'm all for it...but I'm somewhat sure those pics were new 2-3 years ago...?
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 01, 2013, 06:48:53 PM
FoMoCo has already dispelled the rumour that a RWD Lincoln is coming. Much as I'd like to see a 3-series sized RWD 4-door Lincoln based on the next Mustang, it ain't gonna happen...
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: T-BirdX3 on January 01, 2013, 07:01:05 PM
Lincoln needs a successful version of the Lincoln ls v8.

I personally hate the fact that Ford has nothing to compete with this!

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee367/T-BirdX3/photobucket-84355-1357084672539_zpsd546c343.jpg)
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: xjeffs on January 01, 2013, 07:33:06 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;405990
FoMoCo has already dispelled the rumour that a RWD Lincoln is coming. Much as I'd like to see a 3-series sized RWD 4-door Lincoln based on the next Mustang, it ain't gonna happen...

Really, they let it out on December 26th and dispell the rumor within a week?  Multiple sites are reporting it.
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: 84TBirdTurbo42 on January 01, 2013, 10:31:39 PM
they've been turning down the rwd 4dr rumor for awhile now.
and the lincoln ls was its own piece of . mark 8's were on sn-95's.
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: FirstBird on January 01, 2013, 11:17:24 PM
If they bring anything back it should be a 'Hot-Rod Lincoln" and a Mark 9 would the right thing, throw that out to compete with the cts and throw on a  Continental badge and make that the 4dr edition, Although the new Mkz looks great imo, it's a rebadged Taurus.
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: Beau on January 02, 2013, 12:09:00 AM
Actually Mark VIII's were based off the MN12 chassis...I think they called the mark's chassis version FN10, although I may be wrong. There's nothing in common at all with any SN95 Mustang, save for the engine displacement at 4.6l....
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: xjeffs on January 02, 2013, 07:16:54 AM
Yeah the MN12 was the Cougar/Tbird of the 90's and the FN10 was extremely similar and the Mark VIII platform. 

And Lincolns will always share platforms with Fords.
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 02, 2013, 04:19:29 PM
Quote
Really, they let it out on December 26th and dispell the rumor within a week? Multiple sites are reporting it.
Yes. This:
http://wot.motortrend.com/retro-modern-ads-lincoln-launches-lincoln-motor-company-campaign-299813.html
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Matt Vanpuppies, Director, Global Lincoln tells us the brand’s future doesn’t include V-8-power or rear-drive, which would rule out the possibility of a Mustang-based Lincoln coupe or sedan.

Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/retro-modern-ads-lincoln-launches-lincoln-motor-company-campaign-299813.html#ixzz2Gr5ZRyJB
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Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: EricCoolCats on January 02, 2013, 04:59:50 PM
Quote from: Scott D;405977
Wasn't the Lincoln LS based on a modified SN-95 chassis?

Hmmm...I don't remember hearing that, not sure.
The S197 (current-gen Mustang) is based off the LS's DEW98 platform though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_D2C_platform

And yes, the FN10 is the Lincoln version of the MN12 chassis. The extensive use of aluminum in suspension components is what differentiated the platforms enough for a name change, apparently.

FWIW, I think with the MK_ naming structure that Lincoln has employed for the last few years, it's awful logical to have a 2-door coupe named the MK9, don't you think?
(And yes, 9, not IX. If Lincoln wants to modernize, start with dropping the Roman numerals.)

They should have done the Continental concept from a few years ago, though. THAT would have been the perfect comeback car.
(http://www.fordmuscleforums.com/attachments/garage/5411d1221872770-copycats-why-lincoln-continental-concept-02.jpg)
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: Scott D on January 02, 2013, 05:47:03 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;406046
Hmmm...I don't remember hearing that, not sure.
The S197 (current-gen Mustang) is based off the LS's DEW98 platform though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_D2C_platform

And yes, the FN10 is the Lincoln version of the MN12 chassis. The extensive use of aluminum in suspension components is what differentiated the platforms enough for a name change, apparently.
Thanks, Eric. I knew they were related somehow, just didn't recall how they were.

As far as the FN/MN deal...

FN-10 = Full-Size North America Project 10
MN-12 = Mid-Size North America Project 12
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: 50tbrd88 on January 02, 2013, 07:10:54 PM
If they can't open their eyes an see that people WANT a RWD lux/sport sedan, then they're doomed.  Apparently Cadillac has figured it out as they are now beating BMW and Mercedes at their own game (check out the latest issue of Motor Trend).
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: xjeffs on January 02, 2013, 07:40:28 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;406045
Yes. This:
http://wot.motortrend.com/retro-modern-ads-lincoln-launches-lincoln-motor-company-campaign-299813.html

 
I'm not sure why the writer of Ford Insider News writes so confidently of it then, and why many auto sites are spreading the news.  Car spokesmen always deny rumors until they make the announcement.

http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?9487-Lincoln-Tenatively-Planning-Rear-Drive-Coupe (http://"www.fordinsidenews.com")

Also see a reply by the author farther down the thread.

Quote from: ausrutherford
The Coupe was approved to proceed into development just a few months ago. We were sitting on this story for a couple months waiting for more info and the right time.

I'm sure their no set sales for the MkZ and MkD but there is a return expected. So sales and ATPs will be important there.

The MkS will be on CD4.3 when the all new debuts. How long that platform is? Only Ford knows yet. As mentioned a year ago, the full size flagship is still just a consideration and if approved would probably be much later in the decade.

As of now, I believe the 2.9 will only be for Lincoln while Ford will keep the 2.7 for itself from the mustang to F-150.

I'm going with "MkD" until we hear different from within the company. Fact is there still could be many names up for the vehicle but its the MkD name that was originally attached to the vehicle.
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: 84TBirdTurbo42 on January 02, 2013, 09:59:08 PM
Quote from: 50tbrd88;406059
If they can't open their eyes an see that people WANT a RWD lux/sport sedan, then they're doomed.  Apparently Cadillac has figured it out as they are now beating BMW and Mercedes at their own game (check out the latest issue of Motor Trend).

 
i must have still had a hangover when i wrote that last night. yes mn12's.


and if people wanted it they would make it. Car guys want it. vast majority of people could care less.
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: 50tbrd88 on January 03, 2013, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: 84TBirdTurbo42;406077
i must have still had a hangover when i wrote that last night. yes mn12's.


and if people wanted it they would make it. Car guys want it. vast majority of people could care less.


Well apparently only "car guys" buy those new Cadillacs then!  Cadillac is moving towards RWD big time and have dumped a ton of R&D into their suspension, interior, etc to compete directly with BMW, Mercedes, etc.  I don't see why Ford can't do the same thing w/Lincoln.
Title: Lincoln hints at a version of the Mustang
Post by: T-BirdX3 on January 03, 2013, 04:28:05 PM
I, for one, would be highly interested in a classy looking four door on the current stang platform! And when I say classy looking I do not mean these stupid looking bow wave cars they are producing now! :D