[ATTACH=CONFIG]31027[/ATTACH]First off I have to say I've been reading the forum for years and you guys have been a big help through a lot of things. I had an 83 T-bird when I was younger. Now I have a 88 Cougar I bought awhile back which brings me back to the forums.
I was hoping ya'll could help me out a bit on this. I got some valve covers, upper and lower intake and throttle body off a mustang for 30$ from Craigslist in all great condition. I'm going to paint them and make them all nice and pretty. Eventually I'll get to install it and that's where you guys come in. I was wondering if ya'll give me an idea of all the things I would need. New bolts, gaskets, any thing possible you can think of. Also is there anything you can think of that I should change while I it all opened up and have better access to things. Also just some extra information: I'm not doing this just for cosmetic reasons. There has been some minor oil leaks around the valve covers. The covers themselves have definitely seen better days. Also apparently the guy I bought the car from had a rat motel business going on under the upper intake so I want to make sure that is all cleaned up. Well thanks for any help in advance!
I'd say just new gaskets. If the fuel pressure regulator is old/original throw a new Motorcraft one on. Other than that you should be good to go :).
I would replace any vac or coolant hoses that you take off. New clamps would be advised as well.
Double check the bolts. The Stang covers are aluminum, and have thicker s, so, the bolts may be a wee bit longer.
For valve cover gaskets, I use the blue ones with a steel core (they're reusable). They're a few bucks more, but as long as you don't pinch 'em and nick 'em, they'll last awhile.
They're FelPro, but i can't remember the part #.
Thanks for the tip. 1684 is the part number I pulled off Advance.
I was planning of replacing all the bolts while I was down there just for easy access for way down the road if I ever get down there and do a full engine rebuild.
I'm slowly learning more and more about cars so I love doing everything myself. That and I'm way too cheap to pay someone else for something I can learn to do, haha.
Whats ya'll opinion on the wing bolts? Do they hold just as well as regular bolts? Also while searching for bolts I came across "Valve Cover Load Spreader". Is this just another thing sold for peoples ease of mind and to make money? Or is there any actual advantages to these?
Thats another thing I was planning to do. I just wasn't sure if it was overkill (to my bank account) or if it was a good idea.
I have almost every book ever made for the 88 cougar.(Original services manuals B VOL 1 and 2, D, and Haynes and a Chilton's and the EVTM)
I know I should be looking in the books before I ask, but off hand does anyone know if they have all the lengths and diameter of all tubing?
I want to have everything on hand ready to go before I start the work on the car so I don't have to make trips back and forth to the auto part store in my girlfriend's car. I know such a drag right LoL
One more question for the night. For the hose clamps I've been seeing some different styles around(Example: Part # : MP47010). Do ya'll think is really makes any different in the end? Should I just stick with the same old screw band hose clamps?
That's one thing I didn't think of. Thanks! I'm pretty sure it probably is the original. I'm the second owner. 55XXX or so miles on it when I bought it about 6 months ago.
The fuel rails look a bit rusted, but they should be fine as long as there is no leaks or anything right? And any bad fuel injectors would be noticeable right?
That's one thing I didn't think of. Thanks! I'm pretty sure it probably is the original. I'm the second owner. 55XXX or so miles on it when I bought it about 6 months ago.
The fuel rails look a bit rusted, but they should be fine as long as there is no leaks or anything right? And any bad fuel injectors would be noticeable right?
I just looked this part number up. Does this look like it includes every gasket I will need(Except the valve cover gaskets)? Part # 10885A
Sorry I'm just trying to make sure I get this done quickly but right. Again thank for everyone's help with this!
Sorry, don't know hose sizes off hand. I looked at those hose clamps. They look nice, and you wouldn't have to worry about them backing off. Screw band clamps do have issues on occasion, but not often. Screw band clamps should be fine. As long as you use new ones that are the right size, there shouldn't be any problems. Besides, they are much cheaper!
Nice Mustang pic. Kind of random though...
From what I am told, wing bolts don't hold well. I think they look funny anyhow. Valve cover load spreaders are good for engines that have valve cover leak issues. Small block Chevys tend to have problems there. Your 5.0, however, is not pr0ne to valve cover leaks. With a good set of gaskets (like the ones mentioned earlier) you should never have a problem.
I tried the fancy FMS valve cover fasteners on my 302 aluminum valve covers, they are a pain in the ass! They constantly come loose and leak oil. This time, I am leaving the studs in the heads and just using vinyl lined lock nuts. The load spreaders do not work work with this design of valve cover, maybe the stamped steel valve covers.
Good luck with that nice cat!!
Haha. The picture was because of the comment of driving my girlfriend's car back and forth to the part store. That is her car. Guess I could have been a little clearer on that.
I guess you can't go wrong with doing it that way. Are you using just 1/4-20 nuts from the hardware store? Or did you get them from an auto store? Because I looked (quickly) and didn't see any with the vinyl lined lock nuts from auto stores.
Thanks again for all the help guys!
Well here is some of the things i would do. Clean and chase all bolt holes. Make sure the mating surfaces are clean and slightly ruffed up. Just something i do i never use the front and rear lower intake gaskets. I use silicone. The sock gaskets just do not make it. Also use fast tack to secure the manifold side rails to the head. And when cleaning up the intake surface of the head be sure not to break the retaining tabs that hold the intake side gaskets. Just a tip!!
This is all great info nobody thinks about mentioning. It makes me question something though. Are we pulling both the upper and lower intake? As far as I know, there is no difference in the lower intake on the Mustang and the one on the Cat. I would just leave the lower alone. If you do pull it, I would line the lifter valley with rags while cleaning the gasket surfaces. Keep the debris out of the engine. Just don't forget to remove the rags before assembly!
Valve cover studs are a great thing. They hold the gasket in place as you put on the valve cover.
You can also use studs in the lower as i do. just a thought. I just assumed he was doing the lower. If just the upper that job takes about 30 minutes wearing boxing gloves!!
X2 on the lowers being the same...
If the stang lower came with fuel injectors, there 19# and will not run with the stock s.o. computer that is tuned for 14#ers.
An h.o. upgrade isn't much more then heads intake and cam. You could probably get away with stock exhaust and upgrade to duals later down the road. Stock parts are cheap.
+1 This makes the job about 100% easier. I also use studs to align the upper and lower intake. It keeps the gasket from popping out from between the upper and lower intake.
Hardware store, or even Fastenal, if they have a local store. teflon lock nut is what you're wanting, probably.
Thanks for the advice. When chasing holes, is the special tool needed or will a tap do just the same? And to clean out the stuff in the holes after a shop vac should do the job right?
But I thought for every rag left in the engine I would gain 5 HP. LoL j/p.
I see a few of ya'll questioning me changing the lower intake. There is no real reasoning behind it except I was going to be putting a painted one in. So for now would it just be best to do the upper intake and valve covers for now? Everything has been running fine except within the last week my RPMs have been surging at idle. Before this is was smooth and quiet. I went to check the EGR valve and the plastic vacuum tube snapped in my hand. So I will definitely redo all my vacuum lines while I'm at this. Do ya'll know of any grounds that would be easier to get to while i have the upper off? I'm pretty sure if I remember right there is two at the rear of the engine for the O2 sensors I want to check on.
Thanks for all the replies I have gotten so far. Sorry I've been a ghost for a few days. Christmas shopping for people I haven't seen in 8 years is kind of hard! Wish you all a Happy Holidays!
I was reading about the HO upgrade on coolcats. I plan on doing this in the future. I'm slowly getting the parts together. I just wanted to do these few things with the parts I have for now. I also already installed Shorty headers(a pain getting the bolts in right) and the BBK 2.5" X-pipe (No cat-back for now)
No, a tap cuts new threads where the old ones have been stripped or ruined. A chaser will clean foreign material out of existing threads without cutting into or creating a new(er) thread.
I'd use compressed air (dry, so no moisture) to blow out the bolt holes. Also the bore brushes (or whatever they're called) for oil passages, that sort of thing. You can't get a block clean enough before assembly.
Do you have an HO upper/lower?
Yes I do. I just haven't got the time to paint them yet.
Preferably I would use a air compressor, but I don't have access to that right now. That's why I was going to try a shop vac. Would something like keyboard cleaner work for compressed air?
You can purge them out with a can of brake cleaner with a rag held over the hole. If you have not done it before practice on one that will not blow all kinds of into an area you do not want it to go. Its easy and gets the threads nice and clean.
Darren
Don't leave rags in the motor UGH lol
I've gotten this tip a few times. I'm taking it that apparently some of ya'll have learned this from experience? LoL
And don't use water to flush your engine, either. (remember THAT thread? lol)
What about the ass-pirate that poured NOS energy drink in his bike's tank because he thought it was really N2O, lmmfao.
Sadly these folks are capable of reproducing.
Anyhow, back to the topic: OP, you could also buy a small air tank, fill it at any gas station, and put a blower nozzle on the hose and use it. Would be a tedious process, take a few trips, but it's better than nothing at all. The brake cleaner is also a very good idea, and one I'll remember as well.
Dude !
I was doing a motor a while back and was hyped of on rock stars and used black rags to plug the intake ports on the heads while I cleaned it up
Well I got way ahead of my self and seals the intake ....... I didint notice the BLACK RAGS !! Lol
Dropped the motor in and shot rags out the long tubes UGH lol
Had to pull the heads and remove the valve because there were rags stuck in them
Point being don't drink a lot of energy drinks and use black rags lmfao
There was a guy that poured sand into his 94/95 cobra engine to port it lol
That's just UGH lol
I'll keep that in mind! But energy drinks are the best tool in my tool box! LoL. I haven't bought Rockstars in a long time. I go to the local Ollie's and they have 24 packs of engery drinks for 3.99-4.99. So there is a tip for ya'll energy drink junkies!
I was thinking about going the brake cleaner route. Does sound like a pretty good idea.
NOS, Sand, Water?.....Things not so good for the energy. Would be good for making a cool sand castle though! haha.
Farm n Fleet was much cheaper
I like to use acetone and different sers, scotchbrite pads, razorblades, etc to make sure my gasket surfaces are nice and clean. I have this one ser that has a four sided stone piece that locks into the handle. There are two flat/blade like surefaces on each side that can be flipped when one becomes dull, but each push or pull with the handle will remove gasket surface. If I was smart, I could remember the name of the tool.
Haha This magical tool you speak of, is specifically designed for removing gaskets?
I have never left rags in an engine, but I have heard many horror stories.
Brake cleaner is all I have ever used. Cuts through grease and oil like nothing else. It always takes more than you buy. lol
Where ever you do this, make sure there is good ventalation. Those fumes will get ya in a hurry!
Just another thought on the lower intake. You can clean and paint the intake with it still on the engine. A little masking is easier than R&R of intake. It also keeps less of a possibility of contamination into the engine.
Lots of good stuff here, keep 'em comin'!
Thanks for all the great info! At this point I'm thinking I may wait on the lower. Until the engine needs a complete rebuild or I may end up putting a new engine in all together one day. The valve covers really need to be changed, because they look they will just fall apart. And I'm removing the upper to clean the mouse hotel the previous owner had collected under there.
Again thanks for the help. It will make it easier to do and it will get done right:)!
OK, how about using scotch-brite pads to clean with. They can be found at the hardware store in the bodywork section. They work wonders.
scotch brite pads are awesome....and they cost $$$. I used to get mine from my last work...slightly used of course. I'd rinse 'em in the solvent tank, put 'em in acoffee can and take 'em home, let 'em dry, and use 'em till they died lol
I cut my Scotch brite pads into smaller pieces to make them easier to handle and make them last longer
If only I was still in the Navy I could have an unlimited supply of Scotch Brite!
I don't use Scotch Brite pads on any internal engine surfaces. I'm worried about getting any little bits of the pad that come off into the engine, no matter how small the fibers. I just worry that they'll get stuck in the engine somewhere and cause damage. I'm probably just being paranoid. I usually just use brake-clean and a razor gasket ser to clean gasket surfaces. It works for me.
Just a FYI: Target has Scotch Brite pads in a 6 pack for $4. The real ones not the generic ones. I use them around the garage and house all the time.
Thanks for the tip. My girlfriend lives in Target so she'll be happy she has an excuse for a trip to target with me. So it might end up costing me more than 6 bucks in the end.
I didnt plan to use them on the parts on the engine. Just to clean up the covers and intake before painting them.
Using Scotch Brite pads to clean external engine parts is fine. They work great with Simple Green for cleaning oil off of metal parts.
Well it seems like I might have to put this off for a bit since it doesnt look like the weather will get over 60 degrees anytime soon. I'm a lil hesitant to paint the valve covers and intake in cold weather and without having a garage to use I'm a bit out of luck. If I do get something done soon I'll try to update with some pix.
I did not mean for the internals. Should have been more specific. Sorry.
Clean the scotch bright pads out with a quick hit of solivent or brake clean, then put them through the dish washer. Good as new.