Im having trouble finding the correct replacement hoses for my car. Everything that all the parts houses show have an inward flare on the fitting on the hose, but my cars hoses have an outward flare. Has anyone else run into this? Where can I get hoses?
I have a newer replacement hose that I installed awhile back on my 88 XR-7 that I will be replacing to do 11" upgrade. It's yours if you want it , just message me your info and I can mail it to you.
Tim
Im needing to replace both of mine, they are rotting pretty badly. Just trying to find if there was an uncommon hose setup used on some of the cars for some reason. Ive already bought hoses from Autozone, and my mechanic says that they have the wrong flare. Did some website research, and all the other parts houses (O'Reilly's, Advance Auto) have the same hose according to the pictures. My cars at my mechanics right now and hes waiting on me to find a correct set of hoses somewhere.
Have you tried Rockauto.com, here's what they have.....
WAGNER Part # BH111933 {#F111933}
F Brake Hose EXC TURBO COUPE; Base Model
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$4.32
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UBP Part # BH1079
Front Brake Hose; EXC TURBO COUPE; Base Model [Wholesaler Closeout -- 30 Day Warranty] (Only 1 Remaining)
$4.76
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BENDIX Part # 77180
Rear Drum brakes; Front Disc brakes; 10" x 1 3/4"; 9" x 1 3/4"; Rear Right
Rear Drum brakes; Front Disc brakes; 10" x 1 3/4"; 9" x 1 3/4"; Rear Left
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$4.82
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AMERICAN REMANUFACTURERS INC. Part # 8734043
Front Brake Hose RIGHT; 9" REAR DRUM
Front Brake Hose RIGHT; 10" REAR DRUM
F Brake Hose RIGHT; 9" REAR DRUM; Base Model
F Brake Hose RIGHT; 10" REAR DRUM; Base Model [Wholesaler Closeout -- 30 Day Warranty]
$4.85
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DORMAN Part # H38260 {#E5SZ2078A}
Front Left
Front Right
$5.09
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EIS Part # SP6874
F Brake Hose EXC 2.3L TURBOCHARGED; Base Model
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$5.27
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AMERICAN REMANUFACTURERS INC. Part # 8734038
Front Brake Hose LEFT; REAR DISC
F Brake Hose LEFT; REAR DISC; Base Model [Wholesaler Closeout -- 30 Day Warranty] (Only 9 Remaining)
$5.98
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EIS Part # SP6325
R Brake Hose EXC 2.3L TURBOCHARGED; Base Model [Wholesaler Closeout -- 30 Day Warranty] (Only 4 Remaining)
$6.69
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UBP Part # BH1516
Rear Brake Hose; Base Model [Wholesaler Closeout -- 30 Day Warranty]
$6.72
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DORMAN Part # H98945 {Click Info Link for Alternate/OEM Part Numbers}
REAR CENTER
I just looked at Rockauto. Looks like the same hoses. Im beginning to think my mechanic might be going crazy and is looking at something wrong. Im supposed to meet him at O'Reilly's in a few hours to look at what they have and see if we can figure this out. The guy at the store said that the hose they can get matches what my mechanic says we need, even though the pic on their website doesnt look it.
Ok, well apparently there are no hoses available for a Thunderbird that fit my car. Idk wtf is up with that. So, we ordered new calipers today in hopes that the new hoses will fit them. Fortunately calipers are cheap. Just hope they work.
Ok, the new calipers dont work either. They are the same flare as what is factory on the car and wont work with the new hoses. Guess its time to find someone to custom make them.
when I ordered my flex hoses from rock auto...they didnt match the picture..... but they fit the calipers I ordered them for
Unless your car has already had the 11" brake upgrade done to it, your Thunderbird should take same calipers and hoses as 4 cylinder mustang.
I was about to post that.
The 4 banger stangs have the same brake system as our cars. I seem to remember ordering one when my tbird ones were out of stock.
This is what shows to fit my car:
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Brakeware-Brake-Hose-Front/1987-Ford-Thunderbird/_/N-iilgfZ8knp9?itemIdentifier=752345_166223_3559_
This is what shows for a 4 cyl Mustang:
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Brakeware-Brake-Hose-Front/1987-Ford-Mustang/_/N-iil81Z8knp9?itemIdentifier=21212_166223_3559_
Both are pretty much the same thing except the fittings are different sizes. Both have the wrong flared end. Neither will fit my stock calipers, or the new calipers I ordered to try with the new hoses.
Go to a hose a nd rubber store house with the origonal parts. They will probably be close to the same bprice, or cheaper.
Thats kinda the direction we are looking now. Is this just a weird variation on my car? If so, I cant help but wonder why the new calipers were the same style.
Can you post pics of whats different?
I dont have my car its at my mechanics. The only difference is the flare on the end of the fitting that screws into the caliper. The new hoses have an inward flare, and the factory hoses have an outward flare. The new hoses thread in, but probably wont seal good since its the wrong flare.
Heres some pics of the difference in the flares taken from the internet.
Wrong flare:
http://brakefittingsclicks.blogspot.com/2011/05/aas-brake-line-adapter-210-45-10pcs-f.html
Right flare:
http://ribetautoparts.com/metric-bubble-flare-iso---brass-brake-line-adapters---3-16-tube-female---12mm-x-1-0-male-thread-bubble-flare.aspx
napa had an adaptor to change from the top pic to the bottom pic...
Ill check Napas website. TY
I believe it one of these you need
(http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b463/daminc-pics2/IMG_1806-1.jpg)
(http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b463/daminc-pics2/IMG_1810.jpg)
If i read this correctly you have an issue with the inverted flair end on the hard line??? That is correct and an adapter and or a tubing cutter a new line fitting and flaring it and bingo you are dun. The left side has a bigger inverted flare nut.
That is strange. Well, you learn something new everyday!!
Well the Turbo coupe has different lines from left to right of course most cars do. But the fittings are different. The right side has a bigger inverted flair fitting that takes a standard 3/16 line. The drivers side has a smaller inverted flair fitting that also takes a 3/16 line. This is very common on cars that for example have ABS controllers. They make the fittings different so they dont get mixed up!!!
Yes Daminc, that is what Im looking for :) Needing 2 actually lol. Where can I get those? If it was a parts house, did you happen to get the part #?
No, the flare on the hoses, not the hard lines. Daminc has what Im looking for there in his picture.
no part #...they opened a drawer behind the counter, and pulled out 2 for me.. I would assume any parts place would have those fittings. I like to keep things like that on hand for obvious reasons
I must be dealing with complete idiots here then lol. What parts house were you at?
Napa
Lol that figures. Guess Ill try all the local places again and then head to the next town over and check the Napa.
Stainless, not brass.
(Brass will leak).
mine never leak
Daminc is that not a step up inverted flair adapter??? It looks like it and that is what i am talking about!!! Been their many times and i just installed the correct fitting and re-flared the hard line. But adapters work. Hard line ends and adapters are available at NAPA. I thought i explained it back a couple of posts!!
You can either change the nut on the hard line or use an ADAPTER, Your call. I normally cut the line RE-FLARE IT WITH THE CORRECT Inverted flare nut.
I think thats what it's called...I couldnt find an end to replace using the adaptor.... I believe I used 1 of those on the rear prop block....and and also a larger adaptor for the other rear brake, as they dont use the same fittings
You are correct about that. They do use a lot of different inverted flare nuts on those cars. Thanks
Ok, I guess I didnt make it clear before that Im having issues with the caliper end of the hose, not the hard line end of the hose. The end that threads into the caliper on my new hose has the wrong flare, and Im looking for an adapter to fix that.
OK that is different!!!! Show me a photo. That is an issue. Why are you having a problem. Is the calipers the stock ones from the car??? If not what car did they come from. Thanks!!
does it look anything like this?
yes, I must replace the rusted bracket....
(http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b463/daminc-pics2/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_0446.jpg)
I dont have my car here, its 30 miles away at my mechanics. The calipers are stock calipers for my car. It should resemble what is in your picture, as that is the same style hose. We ordered new calipers to try with the new hoses, and the new calipers are the same as the stock calipers. I dont have the hoses here to take pictures, but here are what the wrong and right ends look like.
Wrong: http://brakefittingsclicks.blogspot.com/2011/05/aas-brake-line-adapter-210-45-10pcs-f.html
Right: http://ribetautoparts.com/metric-bubble-flare-iso---brass-brake-line-adapters---3-16-tube-female---12mm-x-1-0-male-thread-bubble-flare.aspx
Those are just pics I looked up for reference the other day. Not the actual hose ends. The problem is the flare is wrong on the new hoses.
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NO NO NO those are the wrong adapters. The first one is a line conversion from inverted flair to inverted flair line side.
The second is ISO BUBBLR to inverted flair both of those adapters are for hard line
In the many many years i have been in this business i have never seen an adapter on a CALIPER. Sorry i may be miss informed but i have never seen one.
Best bet is to take the caliper and run a TAP in the hole to identify the threads. Whether metric or American. Then after you get the size you can find a line. But you should be able to get a MUSTANG line as if memory serves me the calipers are the same. Other than the Turbo Coupe that has bigger brakes and spindles. The photo above is a mustang type small caliper i THINK. They are the only ones that use that threaded end on the caliper side. Why not bring the original line to the part store and match it up. If it is actually a stock part. If not someone along the line changed something. I looked up front hoses for the COUGAR and they are available. Is that what the car IS???? Thanks
The photo above is a classic Mustang setup Small caliper from what i can see
I have never used an adaptor on the caliper itself.... I'm thinking someone's not doing their job right getting you your parts
just quickly looking at Rockauto for an 87 sport... these 2 should just connect together
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=521880&cc=1140231 (http://"http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=521880&cc=1140231")
does your hose look like this?
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=906866&cc=1140231 (http://"http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=906866&cc=1140231")
I said the photos were just for reference. They are just to show the difference between the 2 flares I am dealing with. No local parts house has a replacement line that matches the male end on my stock line. Everything has the wrong flare on the male end. They all have inverted flares, and it needs to be an outward/outverted/bubble, whichever you choose to call it. I have even ordered new calipers to try to match the new hoses, and the new calipers are just like my stock ones.
Yes that is what my new hoses look like. The problem is that the hoses have the wrong flare on the male end where it threads into the calipers. They thread in, but most likely wont seal good because of the wrong flare on them. If its someone not doing their job right, its all 3 of the local parts houses, Autozone, Oriellys, and Advanced Auto. Ive been to all 3 hunting parts and all show the same things.
so then your saying your hose isn't whats in the picture with the end on it if the end is wrong
Okay, I don't understand. In your post #37 you have the wrong inverted flare picture first and then the correct bubble flare picture second. The second picture that daminc posted is a brake hose with a bubble flare end just like what you posted as the correct end. Did you order a new hose and new caliper from the same parts store at the same time and try them? If the soft line for the 87 Thunderbird Sport is incorrect then look at a soft line for an 85 Mustang cylinder and see if that works. The end that goes into the caliper should be identical for sure if not the whole soft hose.
Darren
Im saying the new hose I bought looks identical to that hose. The factory hose on my car looks like that, but the flare is different on the male end.
Yes, the picture that Daminc posted is what Im looking for. Problem is, nobody around here has that in the correct size, which is 1/2 20 to 1/2 20. Yes, I ordered new hoses and calipers from the same supplier, and they dont match up. Ive ordered 2 sets of hoses from different suppliers hoping it was a fluke, but they are all wrong.
I dont understand how you say it can be identical, but diff on the end...... if that's what your saying... then it isn't identical to the one I posted.
so yours does not look identical to the one in the picture?
EDIT:
I just read your last post... they should know what they are ordering on the threaded part.... there is a an inlet thread size listed in the specs
New hose = identical to that hose
Old hose= different flare on male end
Talked to my mechanic today. We decided to try the new hoses with the wrong flare and see if they would hold pressure, and how bad they do leak if they dont hold. In the mean time I can get my car back in the yard for a while and can take the factory hoses and try to find someone to make replacements that match that way there is no confusion as to what I need. The only other option we can think of is to have someone re-machine the ends of the new hoses with the right flare. Doubt I can find anyone locally that will do that either lol.
My mechanic stumbled across a website that advertised making Ford hoses. On their site they also had a list of what # hoses were compatible with what vehicles. He looked up each hose # online and looked at the ends. Ended up finding a hose that had a inward flare, but also had a small outward flare too. Checked with the parts house today and they had 1 of those hoses in stock. He looked at it and he and checked it for fit. Tomorrow the other hose comes in and Sunday I get my car back. Model# for the hose is BH38187. It doesnt show in the parts house computer to fit any specific vehicle. Has a generic listing of 78-86 Ford.
Totally BAFFLING!!! I am lost for words. What is the year make and model of your car and production date???
POST A PHOTO OF YOUR STOCK HOSE AND BOTH FITTINGS. This is not Brain surgery.
http://www.partsgeek.com/36xbds9-mercury-cougar-brake-hose.html?utm_source=shopzilla&utm_medium=pf&utm_content=mc&utm_campaign=PartsGeek+ShopZilla&fp=pp&utm_term=1985-1988+Mercury+Cougar+Front+Right+Brake+Hose+-+Dorman+H38260
http://www.bizrate.com/1985-1988-mercury-cougar-front-2665809988/shop
Car is finished. I pick it up in the morning. Will have the factory hoses then so I can post pics of them. The only hose we found that has any kind of outward flare or taper was the one I listed so that is was he put on it.
OK make and model of the hose he installed that worked. I am very curious what it fits.
It is a T BIRD COUGAR HOSE!!!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raybestos-BH38187-Front-Brake-Hose-/160622956548#vi-ilComp
The hose is a BH38187. Its made by Raybestos. Oriellys said it shows to be for 78-86 Fords. Said it didnt fit a specific vehicle according to their computers. My car is an 87 Thunderbird Sport. The hose isnt exactly the same as the stock hoses, but is the only thing we found that was compatible. I had seen the Ebay listing that you posted last night. It shows its for older cars then mine. Wonder why my car has older style/model brake componants on it.