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This isn't saying that every car and truck that any automaker builds has to get 54.5mpg, its saying that the automaker has to average 54.5 across their lineup.  Having a Volt that averages 100 mpg-e means that gm can have trucks that get 25 mpg,  if you add the combined fuel econ together for the whole line and divide by the number of models,  your average will need to be 54.5 minimum. I think this is doable in the space of 13 years.  What will it look like? No idea.

Going GREEN IS VERY EXPENSIVE FOR US PEONS!!! The big shots always come out smelling like ROSES!!! I know it is an average but that is why GM makes the HHR. And Chrysler makes the PT CRUSER. They are used to average the mileage from bad to GOOD. But 54 that is completely NUTS and wont be easy to accomplish. Then you have the people that want to CRUSH OUR RIDES. Ask them they will telly you so. I had a PRIUS owner bash my Mustang at the local SHOP RIGHT the other day. The lady who was lets say not so PETITE told me i was a PIG!!! And was killing her air. I responded by telling her all my cars are state inspected and pass every emission test every 2 years. But they dont  care. So lets get some good shoes as they want us walking. 88 is correct the energy has to come from somewhere. And these tree huggers dont want you to have a car that spews out HP and is bigger than a chevy AVEO. Time will end our passion as we are loosing the BATTLE and the Tree Huggers ar winning the WAR!!!

Instead of g and moaning here, write letters to your state's senators and reps. They're the ones who ultimately vote on this bullshiznit. O can pose and make noises while moving his mouth, it's the congresspeople who are the movers and shakers.

Like I said, but some stamps, some envelopes, and some Bic pens, and get to it....


Also, I agree. There's really no such thing as "green" energy. CNG is probably a little cleaner than electricity in the long run though. And before some candidate for being brain-dead hops up, nuclear energy is dirtier than the shiznit from a sack of house cats. That shiznit does NOT go away anytime soon.

So Mr. Fatcat, tree-huggin', commie rat bastid, let's save the ed world NOW, you can very disrespectfully take your so-called green energy and shove it up yer scroungy farkin' ass.

Instead of g and moaning here, write letters to your state's senators and reps. They're the ones who ultimately vote on this bullshiznit. O can pose and make noises while moving his mouth, it's the congresspeople who are the movers and shakers.

Like I said, but some stamps, some envelopes, and some Bic pens, and get to it....


Also, I agree. There's really no such thing as "green" energy. CNG is probably a little cleaner than electricity in the long run though. And before some candidate for being brain-dead hops up, nuclear energy is dirtier than the shiznit from a sack of house cats. That shiznit does NOT go away anytime soon.

So Mr. Fatcat, tree-huggin', commie rat bastid, let's save the ed world NOW, you can very disrespectfully take your so-called green energy and shove it up yer scroungy farkin' ass.

So the sabatoge continues:

1. Raise the ethanol to 15% minimum in all pump gas
2. Mandatory emmission testing and inspections in all 50 states
3. Gas guzzler taxes on anything making less than 20mpg
4. Another cash for clunkers like "incentive" to sucker in people
5. Gas being raised to the point it will be ridiculous to fillup these "old" cars
6. Cutting back even more vital engine oil qualities for our cast iron blocks; remember zinc?

It's a sad state we are in to have an older car.

Ethanol is a liberal scam.

Any "good" it's doing is negated by worse fuel economy with it's use. So, we use huge amounts of grain resources that could be used to feed people/livestock to produce a fuel/supplement for cars that don't need or benefit from it. All it results in is a more expensive and less efficient fuel. If you run E85, you use 30% more fuel (require 30% more injector) in volume compared to petro. It's sideways logic.

Government has a way of forcing things on people without them even knowing what happened.

I can see it now!!! Hay guys just modified my FIT with a fusion capacitor and got an extra 2 HP out out of my engine. I dynowed it at 21 rear wheel HP TODAY.

Hmmm, Turns out, It's not a liberal lie. Republicans are responsible for ethanol.

I think we've reached the point where somebody should point out that the rules prohibit political discussion on this board.  Just sayin'.

Ethanol is a liberal scam.

I think we've reached the point where somebody should point out that the rules prohibit political discussion on this board.  Just sayin'.

Yeah, I think you may be right, but I would like to point out two things: First, everything we see and do has something to do with politics.  If you discusss any subject long enough, that is exactly where you are going to end up.  Secondly, does it strike anyone else as a bit odd that it was shame302 that used the phrase "liberal scam" in the first place as quoted below... emphasis mine.

But you have to run it richer, which can make up for it's energy density.  I don't want ethanol, not really, I see the good, but I can't look past the bad.  If we get 15% (doubtful as congress just put that idea down) and I need to make fuel system changes, I'll make fuel system changes and not cry, because I'm a big boy and I do what has to be done.

But what about the truckers?

And then there are people who think we are strange for not being up to our eyeballs in debt ("What kind of American are you?" I have actually been asked this).

Its called business, not welfare.  Companies MUST make a profit to stay in business

Mom & Pop's have been forced out of business by giants like walmart through competition, just like it supposed to work.  Any business that cannot compete with its competitors, SHOULD go out of business.

Change and adapt or die, this is nothing new.  What stopped the mom and pops from expanding thier businesses before  walmart became the behemoth that it did? Are there lessons to be learned from that scenario, as a mom & pop business, you betcha... and if they are incapable of learning, then they deserve their fate.

NOT TRUE SHAME!!!  They already took care of that with PHASE 4 DIESEL EMISSIONS. Cat is no longer building over the road engines along with others. You see they ran out of emission points 3 years ago. NO ENGINES NO TRUCKS!!!! And most towns and states are implementing clean diesel technology for off road and construction equipment when signing contracts. Either you have PHASE 4 clean diesel equipment and trucks or you do not get to bid the contract. This is well in place in many states already. And it will get worse as time goes on.  So be it as it may the BS is already happening. So when someone claims they will build around the laws they are fooling themselves. SIMPLE you cant drive without license plates!!! Or INSURANCE!!! The TRUCKERS are steamed over high Diesel prices and now add in the cost of UREA. Come NOV better think hard and wise !!!

Unless you're GM, or Chrysler, or big banking.

Business without ethics. Capitalism works on a leval playing field. Unfortunately it isn't one.

The internet, cheap overseas labor and the selfish American who wants everything for nothing.

UPR is a perfect example.

Another example of the little guy paying the price.

 It's regretful to see a company like CAT pull back. The government has already cost them millions due to the health care nonsense. Like I said, the trucking network is pretty darn important component of the fragile economy.

a man I knew personally...and his huntin' dogs. .

Do you think he would agree with the way Wal-Mart is handled today?

I have no experience with that company, but you obviously have.  Tell me about your experience... I will be happy to listen and maybe even learn something.

Capitalism depends upon the playing field being unlevel.  You build a  better product, sell for a cheaper price, provide better service, etc.  None of those things unethical business practices.

My guess would be no, not because they have been  aggressive competitors, but because walmart sells mostly  made in  China, Mexico and other low labor cost countries. But again, walmart  could not do that, if... if Americans didn't demand cheap plentiful  products.

We and our immediate predecessors are the ones who started this capitalist-till-we're-dead shiznit,

And nothing ever will. Obama, Romney, or some hash-slinger 24 years from now, the economy is FUBAR, and no one person has the magic pill that will save America.

people like me, making 30K a year

Yep.

 The USA has peaked, just like Rome and it's going to fall, just like Rome.

no we wont

there is a magical fix, there always is.

...there is a magical fix, there always is.

your saying what i say, just figure out a way to do it and not drag yourself down.  when it comes time for me to step up i will look to my side and there you will be,, there are plenty of people out there who think like you, but in order to keep moral up, doom and gloom isnt a good pep talk method.

... but in order to keep moral up, doom and gloom isnt a good pep talk method.

In the first place, what I was saying was the unadulterated truth.  It is not my intention or desire to put a happy face on a serious problem or blow smoke up someones behind just to make them feel better or in the name of "good" morale.  Such practices are for the devious and brain damaged.  They are short term sweetness to cover for long term damage and destruction.