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Anyone have pics of the cooling lines on the left side of the 2.3T?  I forgot to take pics and just want to make sure I get em right.  Just bought some new 90 degree hoses from NAPA for the oil cooler.

Just me could be wrong!!!!! I dont use that Cooler / Warmer or what ever FORD CALLS IT. I disconnect them all the time and use an FL1 filter.

thx, I guess, doesn't really help me out though.

Is this the area you are looking for?

Just a point you wasted some bucks on something that does not work. Disconnect it it is useless!!!

Posted by Paulie (TC'er # 7868) on 05-22-2011 09:41 AM:
 

    quote:Originally posted by 5.0TurboCoupe1988:
    if you remove it, you can use the bigger FL1A type filter.

Thats what i do 5.0 Good point Thanks

Yank it off i never use them.

alright tom, Just one question from me on it, what do you do with the coolant hose coming off the lower intake after you remove the cooler?

Just like the NA motor you splice a T in the HEATER HOSE and return it their.

I will do that for the other car, but I already spent $20 on hoses.  What happens when you run a Holset and big boost though?  Plumb in an external cooler or does it even matter?

 
Running a turbo with no center section cooling will raise oil tempuratures and reduce oil life. Ran the factory cooler, or an aftermarket one, and get used to changing the oil more frequently.

Not only does it work as a oil cooler as mentioned before it is a warmer. In the winter time it helps tp warm the oil up quicker than without. But it is one of those things that you have to make your own call on. Just like the water hoses running to the Throttle body on a 5.0 what in the world would you want that for, cooler air is better right? Well I guess if you live someplace with really cold winters without it you can somehow freeze up the throttle body. So like I said you have to make your own call per all the cirspoogestances that are involved in your ride.

Hope this helps
Stuckman

Wait just a minute!!!! No one said to not run center section cooling!!!! We dont use the oil cooler because it does not work. Not only on TC motors on any chevy that has headers you remove the cooler/warmer as well. If you want it it is placed in the return line on the 5/8 heater return to the water neck.

 
He asked about running a Holset turbo, 99% of them don't have center section cooling.

OK here we go again JANGUS i have built more turbo motors than you can shake a stick at and have never had an oil to water cooler. We use oil to AIR which is a million times better at best. In my view the TC setup with the adapter is a waste of time. I am fully aware of center section cooling on a HOLESET or for that matter any water supplemented cooling form turbows. He asked hose routing on a TC setup then changed to HOLESET. Ok show me some facts on how an oil to water cooler provides adequate cooling and compare it to OIL TO AIR. Below is my turbo on my BIRD it has no center section cooling and the engine oil runs below breakdown. If you have a turbo that requires center cooling it has a double negative. It not only heats up the coolant it heats up the oil as well. Synthetics can handle any extra heat generated by the turbo. Below is my turbo on my PONCHO. Not exactly SMALL by no means

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HERE IS MY Garrett ON MY GMC it is a fairly big unit and it does not have center section cooling. As the matter of fact their is a service bulletin from GM to install a stand alone filter and remove the cooler adapters on several engines. GM recommends this for several reasons and recommends synthetics for this purpose. If you desire a cooler and they are a plus only in my view if they are OIL TO AIR. With that please post the efficiency of the oil to coolant setups other than a warmer in the winter. It is my feeling that the oil to water setup in my view is a device to heats cold oil on cold days other than an OIL cooler. Most likely i am wrong again but i gave it a SHOT ANYWAY.

Once again the filter adapter is on the 5/8 side off the heater core back to the engine. That is as simple as i can explain how it is PIPED FROM THE FACTORY.

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Lakenheath24, running the factory heat exchanger certainly won't hurt a thing. If it's already there, leave it in place.  An oil-to-air cooler, when properly plumbed and thermostatically controlled, would certainly be better than the factory unit. Certainly not A MILLION TIMES better, but better.  If you're going to run a turbo with no center section cooling, without an auxillary cooler or heat exchanger, at least put in an oil temp gauge to monitor the oil. If you find the temp running higher than you're comfortable with, put a cooler/heat exchanger on it.

Here is a supercharger with a stand alone water to air system. You can see the connections on the corners of the unit. (QUICK CONNECTORS) The manufacturer does not combine it with the engine oil. Conventional oils start breaking down at APP 200-210* With engines today running at these water  temperatures i find it simply fascinating why one would transfer this heat to the oil system. On POLICE CRUISERS they use the lower hose for the oil warmer. Which is at a lower temp. And by the way they only run SYNTHETICS and FORD is very clear about not using synthetic oils in these engines because of the heat. Ford says these are installed as oil warmers!! Who am i to argue with FORD!!! As usual i am most likely wrong again!!!

NOTE i know the lower hose is at a lower temp as is the oil filter adapter on a TC. BUT HOW much lower and when increasing HP on the little 2.3 heat rises. Jangus points out thermal regulation on oil to air units. So he must believe they are more efficient. As i said oil to air is better by leaps and bounds over water to air heaters.

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Here is a transmission cooler that our transmission builder recommends over the radiator cooler. We also use this unit on 6 speeders and never relie on the water to oil units that come stock. With a factory designed car the stock setup is ok. But when you double or triple HP of an engine the stock setup is sometimes that might have to be modified.  As mentioned by JANGUS it is thematically controlled because it is so efficient. Everyone knows oil any type has to be at a given temp. To cold and or to hot is NG. So can anyone post actual numbers of the efficiency of the oil cooler setup in a TC,I cant find one actual test that confirms it's value. Can you post anything JANGUS just asking.  I used the word million times better is an expression. Dont let it cloud the issue JANGUS. You know better than that. any way i am most likely wrong again

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I probably didnt make it clear in my one post, but one car is stock, and the OTHER car will be running a Holset.  Good info all around though!

OK that makes a BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!

What about this?  I forgot I took it of my 89 Merkur before i sold it.  You can run a big filter AND use the cooling lines.