Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: Base92 on March 05, 2012, 12:33:40 AM
Post by: Base92 on March 05, 2012, 12:33:40 AM
i have a 86 tbird 3.8, the ac works but is running low doesn't get real cold just kinda blows semi fresh air i need to refill the coolant but i think its a R12 coolant, can i find this still or can i put R134a? thanks Brian
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: 88turbo on March 05, 2012, 12:52:25 AM
Post by: 88turbo on March 05, 2012, 12:52:25 AM
To obtain R12 you must have a license, you can use 134a with a Retro fit and ESTER OIL for the lubricant. 134a can be bought with no license at many places including Walmart and auto parts stores at about $10 a can. Hope this helps
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: bryan163 on March 05, 2012, 07:26:03 AM
Post by: bryan163 on March 05, 2012, 07:26:03 AM
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=270892265676&index=1&nav=SEARCH&nid=81417684161 (http://"http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=270892265676&index=1&nav=SEARCH&nid=81417684161")
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 05, 2012, 05:58:46 PM
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 05, 2012, 05:58:46 PM
Bryan That is a blend of 134A & 142B cant use it and it is FLAMMABLE. Stay away from that GARBAGE.!!!!!!!!!!!!
Freeze 12 make up
80% 134A
20% 142B
2% charge oil
Just use 134A but be fore warned you need a license to repair AC systems. So be cool and discrete. Another words do it in your garage and dont tell anyone. Just a friendly TIP
Freeze 12 make up
80% 134A
20% 142B
2% charge oil
Just use 134A but be fore warned you need a license to repair AC systems. So be cool and discrete. Another words do it in your garage and dont tell anyone. Just a friendly TIP
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: 88turbo on March 05, 2012, 06:44:54 PM
Post by: 88turbo on March 05, 2012, 06:44:54 PM
You only need a license if you are refilling with R12. A/C work can be done by anyone otherwise...
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 05, 2012, 07:36:15 PM
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 05, 2012, 07:36:15 PM
I don't want to start a war here but you are wrong. As an ac certified licensed holder i will tell you flat out you need a reclaim machine on PREM to work on ac systems. As the matter of fact he needs both of them if he is retro fitting. How is he going to remove the R12??? Vent IT??? All i am saying is you need a license to work on AC systems. I am not telling anyone not to. just dont get caught.
Although it does not require a license to buy 134A, it required one to evacuate and recover a system. Getting caught doing so will result in a fine. So it may be cheaper to have your A/C converted to R-134A. By a licensed shop.
134A will require a license to buy very soon as the EPA is going to require it.
Although it does not require a license to buy 134A, it required one to evacuate and recover a system. Getting caught doing so will result in a fine. So it may be cheaper to have your A/C converted to R-134A. By a licensed shop.
134A will require a license to buy very soon as the EPA is going to require it.
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: 88turbo on March 05, 2012, 08:25:54 PM
Post by: 88turbo on March 05, 2012, 08:25:54 PM
whatever dude, been through the A/C schooling have the license as well. each state is different I guess.
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 05, 2012, 09:33:04 PM
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 05, 2012, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: 88turbo;383111
whatever dude, been through the A/C schooling have the license as well. each state is different I guess.
Just for the record it has nothing to do with what state you are in. The US is part of the Montreal Protocol.
Just for the record if you do have a license they go through the treaty in great detail at the class ?????
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: hypostang on March 05, 2012, 09:37:50 PM
Post by: hypostang on March 05, 2012, 09:37:50 PM
Mr Renzo is 100% correct ,, by law you need to be licensed to repair an A/C system , ......however to buy 134 you do not have to have a license ... it's one of those "it's only illegal if you get caught " kinda things .. just don't get caught ;)
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: bryan163 on March 05, 2012, 11:43:41 PM
Post by: bryan163 on March 05, 2012, 11:43:41 PM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;383091
Bryan That is a blend of 134A & 142B cant use it and it is FLAMMABLE. Stay away from that GARBAGE.!!!!!!!!!!!!
Freeze 12 make up
80% 134A
20% 142B
2% charge oil
Just use 134A but be fore warned you need a license to repair AC systems. So be cool and discrete. Another words do it in your garage and dont tell anyone. Just a friendly TIP
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: 88turbo on March 06, 2012, 12:10:07 AM
Post by: 88turbo on March 06, 2012, 12:10:07 AM
eh..... I dont care what Tom says I am trying to help the OP out and give him the right info. not trying to fight with anyone
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: Base92 on March 06, 2012, 02:09:21 AM
Post by: Base92 on March 06, 2012, 02:09:21 AM
so if i want to retro fit it with 134a and ester oil do i have to drain my system? or would it be better to save my chips and have a shop do it?
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 06, 2012, 06:03:29 AM
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 06, 2012, 06:03:29 AM
BRYAN
The mixing of freons today is astronomic. People are putting PROPANE in systems. We as repairers need all kinds of Equipment like FREON identifiers. We cant recover contaminated charges. It destroys our equipment and once introduced in a reclaim cylinder it costs big time to dispose of. All i am saying is be discrete. Do it in your closed garage dont vent and keep it under you hat. And dont use these MAGIC POTION REPLACEMENTS. Stick with known product R12-134A ETC. THE EPA does not take HOSTAGES. Thanks
The mixing of freons today is astronomic. People are putting PROPANE in systems. We as repairers need all kinds of Equipment like FREON identifiers. We cant recover contaminated charges. It destroys our equipment and once introduced in a reclaim cylinder it costs big time to dispose of. All i am saying is be discrete. Do it in your closed garage dont vent and keep it under you hat. And dont use these MAGIC POTION REPLACEMENTS. Stick with known product R12-134A ETC. THE EPA does not take HOSTAGES. Thanks
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: mcb82gt on March 06, 2012, 08:56:20 AM
Post by: mcb82gt on March 06, 2012, 08:56:20 AM
http://www.envirosafe-refrigerants.com/
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: ZondaC12 on March 06, 2012, 11:13:41 AM
Post by: ZondaC12 on March 06, 2012, 11:13:41 AM
I bought a 3/4 full 30 lb can of R12 and a recovery machine on craigslist from this import shop that stopped doing A/C work LOL.
Look on ebay, craigslist etc. There's plenty of R12 out there, not dirt cheap but the cans just like you can buy 134a in the parts store, from back in the 90s, all over ebay and craigslist. Then if you can beg/borrow/steal your buddy's manifold and gauges and a vacuum pump, you could charge it yourself. It's not a brainless process, do some thorough reading, talk to an HVAC expert if you can find one in your circle of friends/family.
And yeah, if you want to have a TECHNICAL debate about the "Letter of The Law" , I'm sure you could find one that says you shouldn't change your own oil in your garage due to possible groundwater pollution. Even if your neighbor sees you working on your A/C, what are the odds they'd even know what's going on? Probably think you're charging your Mr. Fusion up to time traveling with Doc and Marty :giggle:
Look on ebay, craigslist etc. There's plenty of R12 out there, not dirt cheap but the cans just like you can buy 134a in the parts store, from back in the 90s, all over ebay and craigslist. Then if you can beg/borrow/steal your buddy's manifold and gauges and a vacuum pump, you could charge it yourself. It's not a brainless process, do some thorough reading, talk to an HVAC expert if you can find one in your circle of friends/family.
And yeah, if you want to have a TECHNICAL debate about the "Letter of The Law" , I'm sure you could find one that says you shouldn't change your own oil in your garage due to possible groundwater pollution. Even if your neighbor sees you working on your A/C, what are the odds they'd even know what's going on? Probably think you're charging your Mr. Fusion up to time traveling with Doc and Marty :giggle:
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: ZondaC12 on March 06, 2012, 11:16:16 AM
Post by: ZondaC12 on March 06, 2012, 11:16:16 AM
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/pts/2881442971.html
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/pts/2886812069.html
There is where YOU can buy some R12 :D. The one, $20 per can is maybe a little above market value but for $40 I think you'd have enough to charge your whole system.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/pts/2886812069.html
There is where YOU can buy some R12 :D. The one, $20 per can is maybe a little above market value but for $40 I think you'd have enough to charge your whole system.
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 06, 2012, 01:32:17 PM
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 06, 2012, 01:32:17 PM
No laws about oil changes as long as you send it to a reclaimer. And no license to do it. AC BIG DIFFERENCE. Mucho fines. By the way it is illegal to but R12 if you dont have a license. People selling freon on line need a license as well as the buyer. So i gave you the info all i am saying ids be careful
Example i had a visit from the inspectors some time ago from the DEP. I was on the roof of my building because one of the AC condensor fans washiznitting the cover and making a racket. I removed the cover straightened it out and fixed the issue. A local store owner dropped a dime on me and bingo out came the boys with the badges. I had to show them all my licenses and equipment and all my guys had to also. So dont trust anyone when it comes to FREON. Not to mention the reward the dime dropper gets. Be careful work on whatever you want but do it where some tree hugger cant see you. Thanks
Example i had a visit from the inspectors some time ago from the DEP. I was on the roof of my building because one of the AC condensor fans washiznitting the cover and making a racket. I removed the cover straightened it out and fixed the issue. A local store owner dropped a dime on me and bingo out came the boys with the badges. I had to show them all my licenses and equipment and all my guys had to also. So dont trust anyone when it comes to FREON. Not to mention the reward the dime dropper gets. Be careful work on whatever you want but do it where some tree hugger cant see you. Thanks
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: Beau on March 06, 2012, 01:46:20 PM
Post by: Beau on March 06, 2012, 01:46:20 PM
If it was illegal for the average joe to to convert/recharge 134A they wouldn't sell the shiznit at wal mart.
I've recharged my '94 Caprice twice...yes, probably has a leak. Since it's pr0ne to sitting for awhile between runs (gotta love those goded Optispark distributors, heh) I'm not too terribly concerned with getting the leak identified.
My Sport, whenever I get it done whichever century that may be...will be retrofitted to 134A....won't need a shop to "reclaim" anything, because when I took the original HVAC stuff out, all the freon was long gone...seems a cut low pressure hose isn't conducive to keep gaseous materials in a contained state.
IF your system is already devoid, just get the kit from orielly's, wal mart, whereever.....you don't need a witch doctor or $1,000 machines....now, if you live in a crowded city, and still have freon in there...well, it's against the law to copy movies, but people do that too....use your judgement here. lol
I've recharged my '94 Caprice twice...yes, probably has a leak. Since it's pr0ne to sitting for awhile between runs (gotta love those goded Optispark distributors, heh) I'm not too terribly concerned with getting the leak identified.
My Sport, whenever I get it done whichever century that may be...will be retrofitted to 134A....won't need a shop to "reclaim" anything, because when I took the original HVAC stuff out, all the freon was long gone...seems a cut low pressure hose isn't conducive to keep gaseous materials in a contained state.
IF your system is already devoid, just get the kit from orielly's, wal mart, whereever.....you don't need a witch doctor or $1,000 machines....now, if you live in a crowded city, and still have freon in there...well, it's against the law to copy movies, but people do that too....use your judgement here. lol
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: Base92 on March 06, 2012, 04:13:09 PM
Post by: Base92 on March 06, 2012, 04:13:09 PM
not to worried about the fines if cops don't bust the dealers were i stay i doubt they'll bother me
ok so im guna try to just refill my ac with r12 but i think theres caps or something missing im not sure
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 06, 2012, 06:53:27 PM
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 06, 2012, 06:53:27 PM
You are correct no cap and by the way that is a hefty fine not to have a cap on that fitting. Just stating the law i know i am being DUMB but it is the truth.
You definitely have a R12 system their. Low and high side fittings on the compressor are the give away. R134A has acme fittings. But you can get 134A with r12 fittings!!!!
You definitely have a R12 system their. Low and high side fittings on the compressor are the give away. R134A has acme fittings. But you can get 134A with r12 fittings!!!!
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 06, 2012, 06:57:21 PM
Post by: TOM Renzo on March 06, 2012, 06:57:21 PM
If it was illegal for the average joe to to convert/recharge 134A they wouldn't sell the shiznit at wal mart.
Not true you can top oiff a system and definitely buy the stuff for now. This is going to change real soon.Basically you said you topped off a leaky system Correct!!! That is 100% legal and because you did not open or evacuate or bleed the system down you are OK. But conversion is different. Like i said i dont care what people do i am not a tree hugger cop. Just use you head and be discrete. YOU NEVER KNOW!!!
Not true you can top oiff a system and definitely buy the stuff for now. This is going to change real soon.Basically you said you topped off a leaky system Correct!!! That is 100% legal and because you did not open or evacuate or bleed the system down you are OK. But conversion is different. Like i said i dont care what people do i am not a tree hugger cop. Just use you head and be discrete. YOU NEVER KNOW!!!
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: Base92 on March 08, 2012, 01:55:55 AM
Post by: Base92 on March 08, 2012, 01:55:55 AM
will my ac system leak with the caps missing?
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: tirefryr on March 08, 2012, 07:15:07 AM
Post by: tirefryr on March 08, 2012, 07:15:07 AM
Here's all the info you need on legal/illegal refrigerant. 608 and 609 sales are different, but 608 can do anything where 609 is strictly automotive related. Mechanics will have a 609 certification, everyone else will be 608 I, II, or III.
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/608/sales/sales.html
BTW, many people have been talking about 134a being banned for quite some time and it's just rumor.
Tom is correct though. Don't get caught; you will get in trouble and you'd be surprised who is watching.
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/608/sales/sales.html
BTW, many people have been talking about 134a being banned for quite some time and it's just rumor.
Tom is correct though. Don't get caught; you will get in trouble and you'd be surprised who is watching.
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: ZondaC12 on March 08, 2012, 07:56:24 AM
Post by: ZondaC12 on March 08, 2012, 07:56:24 AM
I cannot believe that guy ratted you out Tom.
I mean, I CAN. But that's just dirtbag scum of the earth . Maybe you pissed him off and you don't know it. But I bet you're a great neighbor. As you said, bounty for turning someone in. I'd like to bitch-slap people like that. Mind your own business. Literally. But, that's the mentality, how can I better myself regardless of if it's stepping on someone else's toes...
I mean, I CAN. But that's just dirtbag scum of the earth . Maybe you pissed him off and you don't know it. But I bet you're a great neighbor. As you said, bounty for turning someone in. I'd like to bitch-slap people like that. Mind your own business. Literally. But, that's the mentality, how can I better myself regardless of if it's stepping on someone else's toes...
Title: Were do i find A/C coolant?
Post by: Base92 on March 08, 2012, 06:21:08 PM
Post by: Base92 on March 08, 2012, 06:21:08 PM
found some guy with R12A is that the same as R12 or will that just mess up my system completely?