General => General Fox T-Bird/Cougar Discussion => Topic started by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on February 06, 2012, 12:41:56 AM
Title: LS1 Killer?
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on February 06, 2012, 12:41:56 AM
The forum has been kind of slow lately, so I thought I'd start a conversation that will probably get a lot of responses.
I'm sure most of us are pretty familiar with Vinnie's car and all the mods he's done to it. How do you think his car would fare going up against a stock LS1 Camaro at the track?
I'm looking forward to seeing what you have to say on this.
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on February 06, 2012, 01:26:03 AM
I havent been here in a while but ill put in my .02 ive personally rode in a few ls1 cars they run pretty stout not uncommon to run mid 8's 1/8th mile stock
How's vinnie's car doing these day?
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Post by: Shadow on February 06, 2012, 01:47:09 AM
depends on what's done to the LS1.. but i'd say vinnie could take a stock LS junkmaro with ease.. some better-breathing mods and a tune, i'm sorry vinnie, but i think the Little puppies would come out on top.. now if he had some better breathing heads, upper/lower and a cam to better suit the 2, i think vinnie could pull some nice low mid 12 (high 11's at best, depending on the combo) passes (1/4 mile of course, 1/8 mile is only half a race :p lol )
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Post by: Beau on February 06, 2012, 03:24:53 AM
Quote from: Shadow;379872
depends on what's done to the LS1.. but i'd say vinnie could take a stock LS junkmaro with ease.. some better-breathing mods and a tune, i'm sorry vinnie, but i think the Little puppies would come out on top.. now if he had some better breathing heads, upper/lower and a cam to better suit the 2, i think vinnie could pull some nice low mid 12 (high 11's at best, depending on the combo) passes (1/4 mile of course, 1/8 mile is only half a race :p lol )
Do you just blindly type away, not realizing the childishness of some, if not the majority of your posts?
Do you even know what mods Vinnie has done to his car?
Do you not see one thread that you don't think: "ZOMG...I can go post w in that one too!" ?
I think you didn't even read most of Don's post, you just saw the word "LS" and got a hard-on to shiznit-talk.
Go read Vinnie's sig a few times. I dunno what numbers his car can lay out on a dyno, nor do I know the power of a Camaro. Nor do I care.
But, I'm not sitting here calling a car a little puppies....I mean, get real. :toilet:
Don't you have some heads to polish? ha.
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Post by: Shadow on February 06, 2012, 03:58:33 AM
wah? rant rant rant, bitch bitch bitch.. that's all i ever hear.. i'm not even going to justify your crying with a real response, because all we'll see is more wah wah wah, rant rant rant and some bitching and moaning..
but to fill your mind with a little LSx knowledge, as much as i regret to say, a stock LS will cream a stock HO
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on February 06, 2012, 07:30:23 AM
Quote from: Shadow;379877
wah? rant rant rant, bitch bitch bitch.. that's all i ever hear.. i'm not even going to justify your crying with a real response, because all we'll see is more wah wah wah, rant rant rant and some bitching and moaning..
but to fill your mind with a little LSx knowledge, as much as i regret to say, a stock LS will cream a stock HO
And most built ones.
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Post by: ZondaC12 on February 06, 2012, 08:04:49 AM
"How do you think his car would fare going up against a stock LS1 Camaro at the track?"
The irony is that posts like yours, Shadow, are what accomplish, I guess, what the OP asked for. "Generate a lot of posts". Though not in the manner desired. The result is a BS g contest because you didn't address his question at all. Let me just put it there again. "Stock". Mkay? Lol.
Every motor can walk all over any other motor if you build it up more. Duh. I haven't kept close track of vin's signature...but all you need is a light low-optioned one of these cars and a GT40 setup, with decent gears and yeah, you're right next to a stock LS1 'maro. Similar powertrain setup and the same if not less weight.
I don't care if it's a forum or 5 friends hanging out with the same viewpoints on engines. You don't barge in and start trumpeting the competition's stuff. No one wants to hear that. It's not that it's a bad motor or anyone refuses to admit that something like the almighty LS isn't, well, almighty, but it's like Prius fans. You love yourself. We get it. Go bask in your greatness, we'll do the same lol.
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Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on February 06, 2012, 10:07:52 AM
! I didn't think this would happen. This isn't the kind of forum where I expected a Ford vs. Chevy argument, seeing that this forum only caters to Ford guys. It looks like this is going to be another "What Octane Do You Run Thread."
As far as the original question goes, I'm familiar with what an LS1 can do, because I owned an '00 WS6. It was a stock 6 speed. When you have seat time in one of those cars, the first thing you notice is how slow they are off the line. I can't tell you how tired I got, trying to play catch-up with anyone and everyone I went up against. Once the car got rolling though, things got better from there. When I bought the car, I was expecting one thing and got something totally different. I LOVE the feeling of being pushed back into the seat as an American V8 builds torque and horse. My WS6 didn't give you that feeling. The acceleration was so smooth, you didn't really feel it. Sure. You could SEE the acceleration, but you couldn't FEEL it and that was a huge let down for me.
5.0 cars on the other hand are known for being quick off the line. I don't have experience driving a built 5.0-powered car (YET), but can't see them having this same problem my WS6 had though because of their reputation (5.0 cars) for being so quick out of the hole. It won't be long before I DO have seat time in a mildly built 5.0-powered car though. The Red-Winged Blackbird is a 95 SN95 master cylinder and 93 Cobra brake booster shy of being ready to drive. Once my brake booster comes in and I have a chance to install it, I'll be able to form a fisrt-hand opinion of how the two cars compare to each other.
My car is built very similar to Vinnie's car. The RWB is an 88 TC with a fresh Explorer 5.0 engine (advanced 16 degrees), GT40P heads and GT40 upper/lower intakes. It has a TFS stage 1 cam, 65MM TB and EGR spacer, Mac long tube headers, Contour electric fan, aluminum drive shaft, a Super Coupe AOD with A Silverfox SPT-R (stage 2) valvebody with overdrive lock-out, a 3,000 stall non-locking Dirty Dog converter and 3.73:1 final drive ratio out back. With the comments I've read about cars that are built like mine pulling hard to redline, I don't think a stock LS1-powered car would embarrass me in the RWB. I think it would be fairly close. I'm just looking forward to finally being able to see how hard the RWB pulls when I stomp on the pedal that's furthest to the rigjt! I'm also looking forward to being able to see how the two compare for myself.
Title: LS1 Killer?
Post by: V8Demon on February 06, 2012, 10:51:59 AM
There's a reason that in 2005 GM replaced the LS1 in the GTO with the LS2..... It's because the lowly 3v in the S197 Mustang was faster stock for stock.
Stock LS1 F-body circa 2001 vs Vinnie's car? I'll take Vin for the win. Driving abilities being equal of course ;)
Title: LS1 Killer?
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on February 06, 2012, 10:59:58 AM
Quote from: V8Demon;379897
There's a reason that in 2005 GM replaced the LS1 in the GTO with the LS2..... It's because the lowly 3v in the S197 Mustang was faster stock for stock.
Stock LS1 F-body circa 2001 vs Vinnie's car? I'll take Vin for the win. Driving abilities being equal of course ;)
So the S197 Stangs were faster than LS1 Camaros huh? Wow! I didn't know that. That's why I like this forum so much. I learn something all the time. With Vinnie's mods, I'd imagine he'd be able to get one heck of a jump on and LS1 car off the line. From there I'd love to see how it played out.
Do you really have that much faith in Vinnie's driving? :P
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Post by: 50tbrd88 on February 06, 2012, 12:37:44 PM
I have raced a few LS1 Camaro's and T/A's with my basically stock 3v Mustang (tune, catback, cold air intake) and it was always a close race. The LS1 is not gods gift to gearheads like all the magazines and TV shows advertise. The new 5.0's are really showing how good the mod motors can be.
Don't get me wrong they are impressive engines, but a stock LS1 would not spank a built up 302. I'd venture to guess that it would be a close race for Vin.
Title: LS1 Killer?
Post by: Shadow on February 06, 2012, 12:43:09 PM
umm.. i didn't ignore or misread the question.. i answered it and gave a more detailed answer to shed a little light onto the outcome of a semi-stock LS1.. vinnie has a stock LS1 covered, for sure.. but an LS1 with a couple little bolt-ons to help the heads reach their potential, vinnie would be seeing tail lights, unfortunately..
Title: LS1 Killer?
Post by: shame302 on February 06, 2012, 01:47:12 PM
Who cares? Vinns car has more class and appeal than anything GM stuck that engine in.
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Post by: Shadow on February 06, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
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Who cares? Vinns car has more class and appeal than anything GM stuck that engine in.
good point! even with his 'temporary paint so his wife wasn't embarrassed to ride in it'
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Post by: nbzimmer on February 06, 2012, 02:14:35 PM
I am just amused that a thread about Vinnie's car can get 15 posts in it and none of them are from Vinnie.
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Post by: shame302 on February 06, 2012, 02:26:18 PM
He's too busy with the booty video.
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Post by: Beau on February 06, 2012, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;379876
Do you not see one thread that you don't think: "ZOMG...I can go post w in that one too!" ?
Quote from: Shadow;379913
good point! even with his 'temporary paint so his wife wasn't embarrassed to ride in it'
Question answered. :shakehead
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Post by: thunderjet302 on February 06, 2012, 04:53:12 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;379897
There's a reason that in 2005 GM replaced the LS1 in the GTO with the LS2..... It's because the lowly 3v in the S197 Mustang was faster stock for stock.
Stock LS1 F-body circa 2001 vs Vinnie's car? I'll take Vin for the win. Driving abilities being equal of course ;)
Last time I went to the track I was running 14.6 e.t.s with my 3700lb fatty (3560lbs without me at 150lbs) and the stock LS1 6-speed Camaro's and Fire Birds were running 14.0-14.2s on street radials. This was on an 85* day. Interestingly I ran the same times I ran when I went to the track the prior year, when it was 55*.
Title: LS1 Killer?
Post by: shame302 on February 06, 2012, 05:47:21 PM
Yeah. They aren't fast. These sound like normalish times for up here as well. very high 13s and mid low 14s from the new junk box camaros as well. Obviously you havbe your quick ones but they are epic meh from the factory. Same goes for every pre terminator/mach 1 mustang that left the factory as well. They are just about fast enough to be fun but nothing I'd ever call fast. I had a local WS6 with cams tucked up my ass and I fully expected to lose but I dragged him down the road consistently on 3 pulls to over 130 in my little junk box. I was pretty surprised. Ditto for a 96 corvette and a 2000 vette coupe. I drove the 2000 myself at the track, made 16 pulls and couldn't run fast enough to put a helmet on.
Title: LS1 Killer?
Post by: thunderjet302 on February 06, 2012, 06:26:39 PM
I've yet to see a stock LS1 car run faster than a high 13 at the track on street tires. Makes me wonder how the car mags got faster times... On the street I've pulled on a few LS1 cars but not by much maybe a foot or so if that. At least in my case a GT40P headed car should be close to a LS1 car in stock form, at the track. I've seen some nasty LS1 cars at the track but they were not stock. I've also seen nasty 5.0 cars but again they were not stock. Locally stock/bolt on LS1 Camaro's/Firebirds and aluminum H/C/I 5.0 Fox bodies seem to run consistant 13.00-14.0 times on street tires. The only 12.99 and faster cars seem to be blower cars or big block cars.
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Post by: Shadow on February 06, 2012, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;379926
Question answered. :shakehead
complain a little more.. you're worse than a woman
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Post by: Loaded87IROC on February 06, 2012, 07:24:14 PM
I have personally seen a stock LS1 run 12.90s @ 108. It took him a fully day of practice, but it happened. The car was an 01 Z28 6 speed, Ttop car. Mine was a lot slower (auto, convertible) and it ran consistent 13.70s @ 101. I have seen stock auto ram air cars running 13.1-13.2. MM&FF had a shootout between an LS1 Z28 and a Bullitt back around 2002ish and the Z28 ran 12.80s to the Bullitts 13.70s, if I recall correctly. I believe it was Evan Smith driving both cars, and he can squeeze awesome times out of stuff.
Also, we have had very close races with LS1 cars in my buddies SSP Mustang back when it was a stock engine with bolt ons, and a blower.
As as disclaimer, I love Camaros, Mustangs, but most of all Cougars and Thunderbirds.
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Post by: Shadow on February 06, 2012, 07:30:45 PM
Quote from: Loaded87IROC;379940
I have personally seen a stock LS1 run 12.90s @ 108. It took him a fully day of practice, but it happened. The car was an 01 Z28 6 speed, Ttop car.
was he 100% stock? that's pretty impressive, as the fastest i've seen a bone stock LS1 run is 13.5 or so.. supposedly a K&N intake makes a vast improvement over the stock configuration.. and by vast, i mean much larger gains than usual
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Post by: jangus on February 06, 2012, 07:40:01 PM
Quote from: Shadow;379939
complain a little more.. you're worse than a woman
It's hard to stand out in a thread so full of troll as this one, but kudos on doing so.
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Post by: Loaded87IROC on February 06, 2012, 07:41:31 PM
Stock. Nice spring day.
We later dynoed our cars and mine put down 284 rwhp and his put down 314 rwhp, but he had a lid and Dynomax ler by that point.
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Post by: Loaded87IROC on February 06, 2012, 08:09:13 PM
Here is a link to that article I referenced earlier.
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on February 06, 2012, 08:28:32 PM
You guys just have no idea and ill leave it at that for now
It's all about bang for the buck.
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Post by: Shadow on February 06, 2012, 08:46:15 PM
Quote from: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87;379953
You guys just have no idea and ill leave it at that for now
It's all about bang for the buck.
there was a sbf vs LSx argument on here not too long ago.. we know there's more bang for your buck in the LSx's, but some of us don't like them for our own personal reasons
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Post by: V8Demon on February 06, 2012, 08:58:09 PM
Anyone notice I said GTO and not Camaro when I referenced to the 3v? If you guys hate on the IRS in the 03-04 Cobras, take look at what the GTO had....HIDEOUS. An even larger hindrance then the noodle of a driveshaft/rear the last generation Camaros were saddled with.
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I have personally seen a stock LS1 run 12.90s @ 108. It took him a fully day of practice, but it happened. The car was an 01 Z28 6 speed, Ttop car.
There is a youtube video floating around of a supposedly bone stock LS1 Camaro pulling 12.9's.....
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You guys just have no idea and ill leave it at that for now
I'm not saying this to incite a flame war or an argument, but I do feel that statement is unwarranted.
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on February 06, 2012, 09:04:21 PM
Quote from: Shadow;379956
there was a sbf vs LSx argument on here not too long ago.. we know there's more bang for your buck in the LSx's, but some of us don't like them for our own personal reasons
Understandable but the brand wars died along time ago time to grow up and realize theres other stuff out there
And im sure you guys do realize the ls motors and sbf have more in common then the ls and sbc?
Im dont carry a flag for any manfacturer and some of the older guys here that know me can vouch for that.
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Post by: V8Demon on February 06, 2012, 09:11:53 PM
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And im sure you guys do realize the ls motors and sbf have more in common then the ls and sbc?
Total agreement
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on February 06, 2012, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;379963
I'm not saying this to incite a flame war or an argument, but I do feel that statement is unwarranted.
I just hate to see people hate on something that they have no dealings with or want to learn about them.
Hence my bang for buck comment no offense meant to anyone.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on February 06, 2012, 09:26:44 PM
LS1s are great engines, hell the whole LSX family is awesome. I wish 302s could make power as easily without spliting in two;).
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Post by: Haystack on February 06, 2012, 09:55:26 PM
I'm going to have to disagree. I have seen an ls1 in a 99 camaro with a cold air intake and flowmasters run 13.1 at my 4500ft elevation. You might get a mustang with gears and slicks get 13's, but you won't be knocking on 12's. I do think the factory numbers are overinflated a bit, but even a set of gt40's, "e" cam, slicks and exhaust isn't going to hit 12's. And dollar for dollar, the ls motor would kill a 302.
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Post by: Shadow on February 06, 2012, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87;379966
And im sure you guys do realize the ls motors and sbf have more in common then the ls and sbc?
that's because the LSx family is based off a windsor block
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Post by: hypostang on February 07, 2012, 12:22:48 AM
Quote from: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87;379966
Understandable but the brand wars died along time ago time to grow up and realize theres other stuff out there
Im dont carry a flag for any manfacturer and some of the older guys here that know me can vouch for that.
I'm a tad offended by this "grow Up" comment , it is entirely possible to have respect for something but still dislike it . It's your car do as you wish but to tell others to "grow up " because they don't want to do the same thing you do is uncool . Personally I despise any cross transplanting of engines , but that's just my opinion and I know not everyone feels the same way . I however can and do respect workmanship and ingenuity even if it's not something I would do .
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Post by: V10KLZZ71S on February 07, 2012, 01:12:52 AM
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I'm a tad offended by this "grow Up" comment , it is entirely possible to have respect for something but still dislike it . It's your car do as you wish but to tell others to "grow up " because they don't want to do the same thing you do is uncool . Personally I despise any cross transplanting of engines , but that's just my opinion and I know not everyone feels the same way . I however can and do respect workmanship and ingenuity even if it's not something I would do .
I generally avoid these discussions, but Im 52 and have been anti gm as long as I can remember. I actually despise chevy's. Mostly because of a bunch of people,aftermarket etc pretending chevy is the only car made. My screen name means my V10 kills z-71's since most z71 owners act like they have the holy grail of trucks[sticker pkg and skid plates]whoopie.I have a few good mods on my F250 and have smoked many z71s.I guess I am one who wont grow up.With 273,000 miles on my odometer, just the other day I left my buds Dura way behind on hwy 35 in S Tx. {128 mph}. But to add to this previous topic I have no clue. LOL.
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Post by: V8Demon on February 07, 2012, 08:26:42 AM
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I'm going to have to disagree. I have seen an ls1 in a 99 camaro with a cold air intake and flowmasters run 13.1 at my 4500ft elevation. You might get a mustang with gears and slicks get 13's, but you won't be knocking on 12's. I do think the factory numbers are overinflated a bit, but even a set of gt40's, "e" cam, slicks and exhaust isn't going to hit 12's. And dollar for dollar, the ls motor would kill a 302.
There was a guy with a bone stock.S197 running consistent 13.0-13.1s....plenty of vids on the web.....it was a white car with a manual trans. After a year or so he got bored and started modifications....
The LSx motors have head flow numbers that are gigantic in comparison to a stock 5.0. By changing the exhaust and intake you unleash potential on a stock ls and uncover the weakness on the 5.0.
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on February 07, 2012, 09:12:56 AM
Quote from: hypostang;380003
I'm a tad offended by this "grow Up" comment , it is entirely possible to have respect for something but still dislike it . It's your car do as you wish but to tell others to "grow up " because they don't want to do the same thing you do is uncool . Personally I despise any cross transplanting of engines , but that's just my opinion and I know not everyone feels the same way . I however can and do respect workmanship and ingenuity even if it's not something I would do .
You got it all wrong like i said in the comment you quoted i carry no flag for any manufacturer I dont care what anyone puts in there car i like them all and ive owened over the year many differant ford/chevy/mopar/mazda etc etc engines and most where cross transplanted.the grow up comment was simply a way to mean to open your eyes to whats around you. I personally dont care and was only adding my .02 because you guys got alot of hate nowdays here.
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Post by: hypostang on February 07, 2012, 09:19:29 AM
Quote from: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87;380024
You got it all wrong like i said in the comment you quoted i carry no flag for any manufacturer I dont care what anyone puts in there car i like them all and ive owened over the year many differant ford/chevy/mopar/mazda etc etc engines and most where cross transplanted.the grow up comment was simply a way to mean to open your eyes to whats around you. I personally dont care and was only adding my .02 because you guys got alot of hate nowdays here.
I understand what you are saying now , I just wanted to put my .02 in So my position was known ... I would never say the LS series are a py engine , hell I wouldn't say that about the old SBC however I don't want one nor do I "like" them
my best buttstuffogy would be .............Aaron Rogers is a great quarterback ... but there aint no way I'm rootin for the Packers
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Post by: flylear45 on February 07, 2012, 09:30:11 AM
Quote from: hypostang;380025
my best buttstuffogy would be .............Aaron Rogers is a great quarterback ... but there aint no way I'm rootin for the Packers
That's classic!
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Post by: 50tbrd88 on February 07, 2012, 09:36:05 AM
I don't dislike LS1's. I mean hell I wanted a Camaro until they quit making them in '02, that's how I ended up with my Mustang. I drive a Silverado with a 5.3. That being said, I do think that the whole LSx engine series is over rated, over hyped by magazines, and overdone. I get tired of seeing muscle cars with LS1's swapped in. That' cool and all, but its so played out now that for me its refreshing to see a old school carb'd big block or something in there instead. I realize that LSx's have great power potential, huge aftermarket, etc but it gets boring seeing the same thing over and over.
Back to the original question, I do think a well-built 302 (stroker, heads, cam,intake) could hang with and/or outrun a dead stock LS1 Camaro. Stock for stock there is absolutely no comparison.
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on February 07, 2012, 09:38:49 AM
With
Quote from: V8Demon;380019
The LSx motors have head flow numbers that are gigantic in comparison to a stock 5.0. By changing the exhaust and intake you unleash potential on a stock ls and uncover the weakness on the 5.0.
Thats the truth it would take a 190cc intake runner head to even begin to get close and then you still have the exhaust side to deal with thats the biggest downfall of a sbf and well the splitting blocks lol.
I pulled my 3k+ dollar 306 for a $350.00 junkyard popper with some cheap simple mods
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Post by: Haystack on February 07, 2012, 11:37:16 AM
Most "stock" mustangs have a cold air intake, and flowmasters can make a car slower, not faster. Its about sound not performance.
The real differance is the ls is a new better and faster design, and the block won't split in half when you swap your cam and hit 400rwhp. Anyone who looks down on an ls motor in stock form doesn't know what their talking about, especially compared to a sbf. Its like saying a new 5.0 isn't that much faster then the 4.6 in a 1990 lincoln town car.
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Post by: Clayton on February 07, 2012, 11:39:51 AM
I honestly think that the LSX is a great motor, simple enough. The windsor based SBF's are great too. Theyre all cast from a mineral and cost money to buy. You can build a 400 horse motor (no matter the brand, make, model, size,..... Unless its a 3cyl suzuki motor...thennnn youll be hard pressed to make 100hp) They all have their strong points, and their downfalls. Its mainly a contest of who had the deeper pockets. I myself want to build a fairly decent 351 for my bird eventually, along with a nice iron block 5.3 for my bel-air. I will probably have more cash dropped into the 351 than the LS knockoff, but thats ok. Im not here to rant and rave cause Im generally not like that and Ive kept my nose out of many threads lately to avoid the LSX vs SBF debates. I am however generally a purist when it comes to motors in SPECIFIC cars. If you walk up to a old 40's or 30's ford or dodge pickup at a car show and you getting a real good look at it and think to yourself " thats nice!" then you see a 350/350 under the hood you stop and think (well atleast I do I dunno 'bout 'chu) why would you spend the cheddar to resto-mod this thing and not have the same breed under the hood? IMO that breaks the deal on a show toy. BUT that aside from the point here we are all AUTO ENTHUSIASTS we dont care about things like that. Sleepers Mav' ,for instance, is the prime example. That car is effing gorgeous and has a shload of time, patience, blood, sweat, and busted knuckles in Im sure and its truely a BA ride with a LSX no less, Im sure it makes him happy (me too...[jealous]) Its one of a kind. Im sure that Im not the only one that looks at it and thinks "thats one bad ride".
We are all here for a reason, cause were all a little Nuckin Futs:hick:. If somebody had a 78-88 foxbody whatever, that was clean and moving under its own power hell even if it doesnt run, we like it, respect it and accept it.
IMO I think the LSX if built right will kick some tail, as with the 5.0. but you can never know until you put them side by side and run them. I personally know a guy with a 89 LX with a exploder motor and a plate system thats pushin' around 400 horse that spanked a 408 LSX in a z28. Does that make the z28 a loser? No. That just makes him go home tweak his ride and try again.. cause thats what we do.
But to the OP's statement. Vinnies bird will definatly run the out of it IMO, but one never knows. Build it and drive it to Oklahoma and run them thats all I can say
[/end hijack] :D
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Post by: 1Bad88tbird on February 07, 2012, 12:33:23 PM
Quote from: 87thunderbirdBlackJack;380042
I honestly think that the LSX is a great motor, simple enough. The windsor based SBF's are great too. Theyre all cast from a mineral and cost money to buy. You can build a 400 horse motor (no matter the brand, make, model, size,..... Unless its a 3cyl suzuki motor...thennnn youll be hard pressed to make 100hp) They all have their strong points, and their downfalls. Its mainly a contest of who had the deeper pockets. I myself want to build a fairly decent 351 for my bird eventually, along with a nice iron block 5.3 for my bel-air. I will probably have more cash dropped into the 351 than the LS knockoff, but thats ok. Im not here to rant and rave cause Im generally not like that and Ive kept my nose out of many threads lately to avoid the LSX vs SBF debates. I am however generally a purist when it comes to motors in SPECIFIC cars. If you walk up to a old 40's or 30's ford or dodge pickup at a car show and you getting a real good look at it and think to yourself " thats nice!" then you see a 350/350 under the hood you stop and think (well atleast I do I dunno 'bout 'chu) why would you spend the cheddar to resto-mod this thing and not have the same breed under the hood? IMO that breaks the deal on a show toy. BUT that aside from the point here we are all AUTO ENTHUSIASTS we dont care about things like that. Sleepers Mav' ,for instance, is the prime example. That car is effing gorgeous and has a shload of time, patience, blood, sweat, and busted knuckles in Im sure and its truely a BA ride with a LSX no less, Im sure it makes him happy (me too...[jealous]) Its one of a kind. Im sure that Im not the only one that looks at it and thinks "thats one bad ride".
We are all here for a reason, cause were all a little Nuckin Futs:hick:. If somebody had a 78-88 foxbody whatever, that was clean and moving under its own power hell even if it doesnt run, we like it, respect it and accept it.
IMO I think the LSX if built right will kick some tail, as with the 5.0. but you can never know until you put them side by side and run them. I personally know a guy with a 89 LX with a exploder motor and a plate system thats pushin' around 400 horse that spanked a 408 LSX in a z28. Does that make the z28 a loser? No. That just makes him go home tweak his ride and try again.. cause thats what we do.
But to the OP's statement. Vinnies bird will definatly run the out of it IMO, but one never knows. Build it and drive it to Oklahoma and run them thats all I can say
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Well said.
Title: LS1 Killer?
Post by: 347Thunder on February 12, 2012, 10:56:58 PM
I think the best part of the Ls1 motors like the new 5.0L is the fact you can get this motor running low 11's and still get almost 20mpg's. My buddy had a 92' camaro with a ls motor it ran 11.6 and he got 22mpg's on his honeymoon to Maine, now that's impressive, took me a long time to beat that car then he sold it
Title: LS1 Killer?
Post by: tiresmoke69 on February 24, 2012, 12:42:41 AM
I found this thread interesting because I own an 88 Tbird Turbo Coupe 5-speed and an 04 GTO... Best of both worlds right :D lol...
In regard to the OP: I raced my roomates 2001 z28 Camaro Ls1 6-speed ( mods: k&n filter ) from a roll and dig in my 89 Convertible Fox Mustang 5-speed ( mods: gt40 explorer heads, upper and lower intake, shorty headers, 2:73 rearend gear lol ). From a dig I could get him by a car in the quarter and from a 20 roll he would get me by a car.
BTW where do I do an introduction thread around here?
Title: LS1 Killer?
Post by: Shadow on February 24, 2012, 01:57:14 AM
Quote from: tiresmoke69;381649
I found this thread interesting because I own an 88 Tbird Turbo Coupe 5-speed and an 04 GTO... Best of both worlds right :D lol...
In regard to the OP: I raced my roomates 2001 z28 Camaro Ls1 6-speed ( mods: k&n filter ) from a roll and dig in my 89 Convertible Fox Mustang 5-speed ( mods: gt40 explorer heads, upper and lower intake, shorty headers, 2:73 rearend gear lol ). From a dig I could get him by a car in the quarter and from a 20 roll he would get me by a car.
BTW where do I do an introduction thread around here?
in the 'Lounge'
Title: LS1 Killer?
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on February 24, 2012, 10:16:44 AM
Alright guys. Now that I've got the Red-Winged Blackbird up and running good, I've had enough seat time in it to form a first-hand opinion on how it compares to the WS6 I owned. I can't see how the RWB wouldn't beat it pretty easily. From a dead stop, when you stomp on the pedal furthest to the right, the RWB leaves the line HARD and pulls HARD all the way to redline just like Tom (Turbocoupe5.0) told me it would. This car is SO much more fun to drive than the WS6 was, it isn't funny. I took my brother for a ride out to my favorite country road last night to show him what the RWB could do. He was pretty impressed. I LOVE driving that car!