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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: slowbird on December 14, 2011, 09:06:28 PM
http://youtu.be/1-awO7NMwl8
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 14, 2011, 11:23:43 PM
sbc in the bird.. >:O
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 15, 2011, 12:07:35 AM
That's why he lost :evilgrin:
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: 5.0 tbird on December 15, 2011, 12:09:57 AM
+1
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 15, 2011, 12:47:39 AM
good.. i didn't even watch it after i saw it said sbc with nitrous.. i went to puke instead..
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: slowbird on December 15, 2011, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: Shadow;375558
sbc in the bird.. >:O


 i didnt even notice that :punchballs:
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 15, 2011, 06:40:02 PM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 15, 2011, 07:03:44 PM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;375618
Just something to think about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-uTjaQ6E7g

Ls Motor romps mustang

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVBsV9ISJbA

Just Kidding around SHADOW. Good for a couple of laughs.



:punchballs: :beatyoass: :nono: :barf: :asshole:

lol :p
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 15, 2011, 07:48:27 PM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;375618
Just something to think about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-uTjaQ6E7g

Ls Motor romps mustang

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVBsV9ISJbA

Just Kidding around SHADOW. Good for a couple of laughs.

Fords are in our stable as well

The MT video is a win for the mustang imho and then obviously concider the following model year. In the real world, at least from what i've seen up here, the mustangs are faster than MT and the camaro much slower. Consistently. I've beat plenty of them despite being 100 hp down.

And then the 2nd video, with zero information on either car and what they ran were pretty useless and irrelevant.

I don't care if the new camaro runs 9s stock off the showroom. It's still disgusting and repulsive. It's still funded by welfare. I don't care if it (LS whatever) WAS the best engine to see day light, I'd never stick it in a Ford. I'm no purist but certain things are distasteful and that's one of them.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 15, 2011, 07:54:04 PM
Quote from: shame302;375626
I don't care if the new camaro runs 9s stock off the showroom. It's still disgusting and repulsive.

vette.. lol either way, still a disgusting piece of uglieness.. GM would have to pay the government back for their bailout with 200% interest in order for the camaro to run 9's off the lot.. lol
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Bruce M on December 15, 2011, 08:45:59 PM
I will never own Government Made . Not because I dont like GM cars, I dont like the too big to fail . Let them go (the same goes for dodge), it makes no sense to me to put "OUR" country in debt to save any company. I'd say the same thing if it were ford. Ford saved themselves!!! enough said. rant over.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 16, 2011, 12:03:00 AM
Quote from: Shadow;375627
vette.. lol either way, still a disgusting piece of uglieness.. GM would have to pay the government back for their bailout with 200% interest in order for the camaro to run 9's off the lot.. lol
The later vetts look very nice. They are D bag mobiles however. I've driven a few. I always feel ridiculous in them. They are just not for me. Wouldn't matter if I could afford 10 of them, I'd never buy one. Still, It's much harder to knock on them than it is the absurd camaro.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Beau on December 16, 2011, 02:29:11 AM
So I gave myself a chance to come back and maybe not see ford vs chevy in another goded thread, and lo and behold...

What's all your addresses..I'm going to mail you some chill pills, puppies, and a coupla blow-up sheep each...maybe this stupid and annoying constant arguing will stop (for a day or 2 maybe?).
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 16, 2011, 05:31:08 AM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 16, 2011, 06:09:46 AM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;375658
SHADOW WHAT ABOUT MY MUSTANG DOES THAT NOT COUNT> THOUGHT THAT WOULD RING YOUR FANCY. It is 545 WHP. Com on man lets give me some thumbs up on the MUSTANG AT LEAST.

sorry tom, you edited it and put the picture in there after i replied.. i didn't see it until you said something.. i know you have fords in your stable, otherwise we would have shunned you! hahah

thunder, as for ford vs chevy in the performance standpoint, i like em both, but i like more fords than chevys.. if i hated GM's, i wouldn't have owned my 71 cutlass, 75 and 79 camaros, my sonoma, my S10, my suburban, and (insert the couple i'm leaving out here). my GM's are just more of a PITA than my fords, but i still (kind of) love em.. the best chevy i've built so far is definitely the SBF S10 though.. it's the best of both worlds, IMHO



Quote from: TOM Renzo;375658
Hay life is to short and this is just the old Chevy V Ford.


fixed, dodge need not apply ;)
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 16, 2011, 06:14:56 AM
Sha
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Bruce M on December 16, 2011, 06:15:59 AM
I wasnt serious, just stating my opinion. I was never a die hard Ford guy but the bail out made me that way, it's not ford vs chevy vs dodge thing for me, its political. I think who needs to calm down is Thundersport302, relax man its just a forum, if you're going to let it f*ck up your whole day than dont read it.:jerry:
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 16, 2011, 06:19:43 AM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;375665
Shadow hay man we all have the High test running through our vanes. Man chevys ford and dodge what ever. We all are gear heads. Now that is the bottom line. Hay i like talkin to you and if we ever met we would have a blast. Us car guys are thick headed over the chevy V ford ETC. But bottom line that is great. With that have a great day and keep loving those fords THEY ARE ASSUME. Thanks


i believe the car world thrives off the age-old ford vs chevy rivalry.. or american vs puppies trap for that matter.. without it, it would get a bit boring at times


Quote from: Bruce M;375667
I wasnt serious, just stating my opinion. I was never a die hard Ford guy but the bail out made me that way, it's not ford vs chevy vs dodge thing for me, its political. I think who needs to calm down is Thundersport302, relax man its just a forum, if you're going to let it f*ck up your whole day than dont read it.:jerry:


politics? are you crazy? get that  out of here.. they're all crooked.. i bet part of the bailout was that everyone in congress got a free vette :rollin:
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 16, 2011, 06:27:34 AM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;375658
Now i am just messing around guys. But we were running some numbers on a CAMARO WE BUILT WITH MY BUDDIES AT SLP.


grab me some lers.. lmao
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 16, 2011, 01:02:23 PM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Beau on December 16, 2011, 01:11:58 PM
I think I'll put an LSx in my Tbird at tax time.



I'm serious. Wouldn't cost very much more for the parts needed to swap in a 351w. Not counting the costs of the engine, wiring, and ecm for it.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 16, 2011, 04:48:34 PM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;375658
Thunder i am just messing around but these guys are SERIOUS. Hope they never meet up with my camaro. They will be shocked. But then again my mustang above can handle most situations. Hay life is to short and this is just the old Chevy V Dodge V Ford. But like i said these guys are clearly Serious. Hay guys lets cool it you guys are going to have a Coronary. Thunder i got the message Man you are 100% these guys are SERIOUS. Have a good day Guys it's Friday.

OK LAST TIME NOW HOW ABOUT THIS FOR THE DISBELIEVERS.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGoeYq0pE6s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zxO8atSSiA&feature=related

http://www.dragzine.com/features/sema-coverage/sema-2011-copo-camaro-unveiled-new-corvette-and-camaro-concepts/

They run NINES????????????????????????????? Right from the factory??????????????????????

LMAO, So does the Cobra Jet. The 650 HP GT500 probably has that potential as well. How about a bolt on 2012 GT running 9's. Nobody (hopefully) is taking any of this serious. I suppose i could repeat that 3 times to make my point lol. Personally, I'm trolling purely out of boredom and enterntainment value alone. I think it's funny and I couldn't care less what anybody else thinks. Fact is, Anything Ford does, GM will match and vice versa. That's how it goes. LSblah is not the wet spot of all things auto. I have a healthy respect for what they are, I just don't care for product "B". Fact is, we could go back and forth all day long posting youtube videos and what not and prove nothing. They are all nothing more than air pumps. Get over it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlH-Kh4EBg4&feature=player_embedded#! (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlH-Kh4EBg4&feature=player_embedded#%21")
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 16, 2011, 04:51:18 PM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;375682
I think I'll put an LSx in my Tbird at tax time.



I'm serious. Wouldn't cost very much more for the parts needed to swap in a 351w. Not counting the costs of the engine, wiring, and ecm for it.

Haha. It would be neat but like I said, it would be distasteful imho. Just about any (efi) swap would be similar in cost when excluding the cost of the engine, wiring and ecm.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Clayton on December 16, 2011, 07:11:11 PM
A wise old fella I know once told me the reason why he was a big fan of chevys. 1 wire to keep it running back in the day, unlike ford that takes 20 wires and a brain box, and dodge that takes 40 wires that talk to this brain box that talk to this brain box that talks to this one.

He says now.... hell it doesnt matter anymore the wiring all sucks anymore.

They all have their high and lowpoints, cost and availability of the parts is usually the make or break. I did find out recently that it is cheaper to BUILD a 5.2 or 5.9 magnum dodge motor than it is to build a freakin 3.9L v6

In the long run its just about lines, stance and just over all appearance.............. Unless youre checking out a 49 dodge pickup at a car show and look under the hood and see a 350 chevy with some BS wanna be mopar styled 4 bolt valvecovers. I literally had a WTF moment lol
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 17, 2011, 12:40:29 AM
Ah. here proves my point. love it. Take these cars to the track and the stang wins consistently (imho). Regardless it's close. Obviously, one car is far less ugly than the other as well as not relying on welfare to get things done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wlmOL-7iBJ4
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Beau on December 17, 2011, 03:05:35 AM
I will say this...I think Ford dropped the ball with the ass -end of the...not sure exactly what year, but maybe it's the '10...looks like something a committee of ex-Civic fanboys came up with..

The rest of it though is ok...I myself dont really care for the looks of new(er) camaros...but I also don't have a raging hard on to say that about them every other post.

Of the three pony cars...looks alone...Challenger trumps the others.



Here's some food for thought, since you keep bally-hooing "welfare" and such. What about Ford's under the table support of Hitler during WW2? Or is that too political..or too true for you guys?

Cause....it IS true.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Haystack on December 17, 2011, 04:08:22 AM
I am against newer mutang in general. Not the cars, but the types of people that are drawn to them. An lsx would cost about the exact same as a 351, if you were starting 3.8
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 17, 2011, 11:23:17 AM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;375681
Shadow No joke they have latterly hundreds of them in a dumpster behind the building. BRAND NEW. I am not kidding no JOKE. We normally get up their twice a year and i will ask them what they do with them. The guys are great. Jr knows a bunch of them. Thanks

probably mis-stamps, which is stupid to just throw them away.. they can still sell them at a discounted price, like interco tire does with their mis-stamped TSL's.. time to go dumpster diving :hick:



Quote from: shame302;375697
it would be distasteful imho. Just about any (efi) swap would be similar in cost when excluding the cost of the engine, wiring and ecm.

agreed agreed agreed agreed agreed, agreed a thousand times over.. and then some


Quote from: 87thunderbirdBlackJack;375706
A wise old fella I know once told me the reason why he was a big fan of chevys. 1 wire to keep it running back in the day, unlike ford that takes 20 wires and a brain box, and dodge that takes 40 wires that talk to this brain box that talk to this brain box that talks to this one.

small block fords can now run with a single wire.. there are aftermarket H.E.I. distributors on the market now, i have about 6 or 7 of them in my shed, brand new in the box.. my 306 in my buddy's S10 is currently running 1.. i love it, it uses a GM cap, rotor and coil, so the aftermarket availability is DEFINITELY there for it.. i dropped in an MSD 50,000v coil and it runs 100 times stronger than any ford distributor with an MSD box.. needless to say, he needs a new excuse now :p lol

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/73231_10150304252315335_585700334_15567599_1083142_n.jpg)
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Chrome on December 17, 2011, 02:26:04 PM
I just feel it is not right to put a Chevy engine in a Ford. If I owned a Chevy, I would not want a Ford engine in it either.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 17, 2011, 03:41:40 PM
purity is a great thing, if it's something worth keeping pure
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 17, 2011, 05:31:25 PM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 17, 2011, 05:35:55 PM
hey, are those carbs i see? what happened to not liking ancient technology? :giggle:

and is that a sprint steering rod i see being used as a 'strut brace?'
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 17, 2011, 05:59:09 PM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 17, 2011, 06:09:08 PM
i'm just breaking balls lol new GMC car? as in new to you or new as in brand new? if it's what i think it is, and i hope it is, ON WITH THE PICTURES!
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 17, 2011, 09:39:29 PM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 17, 2011, 11:02:40 PM
those things are awesome, i always wanted a cyclone (the pickup version).. there's 1 that runs at atco with a few small upgrades.. friggin the is unbelievably fast out of the hole.. typical 4.3 though, gutless on the top end.. 60' times are unbelievable though
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Chrome on December 17, 2011, 11:12:24 PM
Tom, that is beautiful!:bowdown: Would love to see the rest of that. I have wanted one like that for years.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Beau on December 18, 2011, 03:05:20 AM
Quote from: Shadow;375741
needless to say, a new excuse now
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/73231_10150304252315335_585700334_15567599_1083142_n.jpg)


So you give shiznit for putting a GM engine in a Ford, but then you slap a 5.0 in an S-10 and paint it orange?

Hello Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

(If it was mine, it would proudly wear Ford engine blue AND have valve covers saying "Powered by Ford").

That is a slick Typhoon Tom...Vette wheels?
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 18, 2011, 06:28:10 AM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;375792
So you give shiznit for putting a GM engine in a Ford, but then you slap a 5.0 in an S-10 and paint it orange?

Hello Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

(If it was mine, it would proudly wear Ford engine blue AND have valve covers saying "Powered by Ford").


it's red, cherry red to be exact, same color as the valve covers.. the truck was originally getting painted red/satin black with charcoal gray pinstriping, but plans changed.. i'll be spraying it ford blue after i pull it out to change pistons and the cam.. it's a spit in the face for the sbc powered ford guys.. EVERY ford guy that has seen it, loves it.. even some GM guys like it, because it's different and (so far) has yet to be beaten by a sbc.. plus it fits under the hood and between the frame rails better than a sbc
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Beau on December 18, 2011, 12:05:11 PM
I wasn't bashin' because you 5.0'd a Chivvie..just that you painted it what I thought was orange...lol
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 18, 2011, 12:22:41 PM
nah, i shall never disgrace the likes of a ford motor with chevy orange.. that's worse than selling crack to a 1st grader in my book!
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 18, 2011, 12:44:36 PM
Haha. I equate it to making out with a hot chick and then realizing she's got 7" swinging down below.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 18, 2011, 12:55:51 PM
that calls for a comment made by smilies, to show the sickening emotion..

:punchballs: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :nono: :yuck: :disappoin :slap: :shoothead :2gunsfiri :raspberry
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Beau on December 18, 2011, 03:09:44 PM
Hell, here's one that'll make you fellers cringe:
My old Jeep pickup...has an AMC 360. Uses a Ford type starter and alternator, Motorcraft carb, and points that cross reference to Ford.
Uses a Chevy transmission (albeit in a bolt pattern to fit the AMC block)
Has dana 44 front and rear.

ugly, stout and reliable....as long as you don't get more than 70 miles or so from a working gas pump...
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 18, 2011, 03:26:34 PM
jeep pickup as in a J10 commander? i've always wanted 1 to cut down into a shortbed with a full ford drivetrain on 39.5's
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: RunninWild on December 18, 2011, 06:00:50 PM
Nothing is as bad as in Fast & Furios Tokyo drift where they dropped a nissan engine into a classic mustang. I almost cried when I saw that...
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 18, 2011, 06:06:15 PM
Quote from: RunninWild;375823
Nothing is as bad as in Fast & Furios Tokyo drift where they dropped a nissan engine into a classic mustang. I almost cried when I saw that...

what do you expect from a stupid movie based in puppiesan? lol as soon as i saw the mustang, i knew it was somehow going to get butchered.. the big question is, what the hell is a LHD mustang doing in puppiesan? typical movie junk, as usual
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Beau on December 18, 2011, 08:21:41 PM
Quote from: Shadow;375825
what do you expect from a stupid movie based in puppiesan? lol as soon as i saw the mustang, i knew it was somehow going to get butchered.. the big question is, what the hell is a LHD mustang doing in puppiesan? typical movie junk, as usual

Because back in '67 or whatever year the Stang was...don't think Ford sold many lhd pony cars...and if they did, they were more than likely aftermarket conversions...probably plenty rare and valuable today, so that's my guess as to why one wasn't used for filming.

And as far as the Nissan 6 swap...hell, it ran stronger than the original engine;

Quote
The RB26DETT (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine") motor found in the Nissan Skyline GTR (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Skyline_GTR"), which powered the Mustang (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang")  and Nissan Silvia S15 in the film, has been subject to much criticism  by automotive enthusiasts. The criticism grew when it was revealed that  the car itself barely had any screen time, and regular stunt Mustangs  used for the drifting scenes were powered by 351cid (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_inch") Windsor (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Windsor_engine") V8 (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8") engines.[14] (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_drift#cite_note-HRTD-13") Hot Rod (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Rod_Magazine") magazine lamented the possibility that tuners might swap in puppiesanese motors into American cars.[14] (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_drift#cite_note-HRTD-13") According to SCC (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_Compact_Car"),  one Mustang received the RB26 swap, while five other Mustangs were  created for drifting purposes of which two were destroyed in the  process.[15] (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_drift#cite_note-14")  In addition, the RB26 Mustang was shown to be faster than its V8  powered kin, with times of 0-60 in 5.38 seconds, and the quarter mile in  13.36 seconds at 109.83 MPH.[16] (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_drift#cite_note-15")
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 18, 2011, 08:39:03 PM
you mean RHD lol it's a movie, they can work their pocketbook a little to make the cars correct, they just suck lol
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 18, 2011, 09:20:08 PM
Quote from: RunninWild;375823
Nothing is as bad as in Fast & Furios Tokyo drift where they dropped a nissan engine into a classic mustang. I almost cried when I saw that...

I actually didn't mind that at all. Far much better than throwing anything bowtie into it. That's just blasphemous.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 18, 2011, 10:14:02 PM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 18, 2011, 10:28:39 PM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;375846
Well if you choose a BOWTIE you will definately have a fast car. Seems like some have an issue with chevys. They are cheap to build and with much less money they outperform ford engines hands down. So i did not want to get into this but it is getting a little out of control. Tell me where you can make a cam change in a ford and get 480+ HP. You can do that with an LSX absolutely no issue with that. So once again you might not like chevys but they put down massive HP numbers. Ok pound me guys i am expecting it.

 
:beatyoass: enough with the LSx's, this is a ford forum! i don't feel like getting into this again.. no more LSx talk! lol
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 18, 2011, 11:27:06 PM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;375846
Well if you choose a BOWTIE you will definately have a fast car. Seems like some have an issue with chevys. They are cheap to build and with much less money they outperform ford engines hands down. So i did not want to get into this but it is getting a little out of control. Tell me where you can make a cam change in a ford and get 480+ HP. You can do that with an LSX absolutely no issue with that. So once again you might not like chevys but they put down massive HP numbers. Ok pound me guys i am expecting it.

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They are cheap to build and with much less money they outperform ford engines hands dow
NOT the point, but who care, right? That 480HP engine in any current Cheby is a dog. IMHO, you stretch the truth. LSX is a 10K plus crate engine, is it not? Listen, I can make ALL the power I need with my Ford modular engine that I would ever need, for less than 10 grand. I find it hilarious that you think the LS whatever series is somehow ingenious. It''s not. It's very, very basic. Again, for the one billionth time, they are great engines but they are nothing more than another way to get it done. You can't go wrong with cubes and great flowing heads. They aren't any better than Fords offering however. Even then, as sweet as the latest corvettes are, i would never ever own one regardless of wealth. Doubly so for the disgusting camaro. Those are the only 2 cars that warrant the almighty LSblah engine hence why i can never see those nasty, disgusting things in my life. I run 13.1-13-3 with 285HP to the wheels simply driving it off the line. With the forged, stock displacement S.B. and a simple, tiny S-trim i should be easily in the 11's. That's good enough for me. I don't build my cars to "beat" anybody specifically. I do it because I enjoy it and it's fun. I would have less fun with anything chevy puts out or produces despite potential power output. period. FACT

Nobody has an issue with bowties. You claim they are gods gift to the auto enthusiast. They aren't. Are they decent, sure. Come on a ford site and throw the bowtie flag up, you're going to get pissed on, because it's what you asked for. Specially when you seem to think somehow they are some wonderful magical addition to the automotive world. Dollar for dollar, it's all the same in the end. The guy with more money wins regardless of the flag they fly. That's always been (in the really real world). There will ALWAYS be somebody faster regardless of which brands nuts you swing from Tom. At your age I would have figured you would know this by now.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Clayton on December 18, 2011, 11:45:04 PM
Quote from: Shadow;375741
small block fords can now run with a single wire.. there are aftermarket H.E.I. distributors on the market now, i have about 6 or 7 of them in my shed, brand new in the box.. my 306 in my buddy's S10 is currently running 1.. i love it, it uses a GM cap, rotor and coil, so the aftermarket availability is DEFINITELY there for it.. i dropped in an MSD 50,000v coil and it runs 100 times stronger than any ford distributor with an MSD box.. needless to say, he needs a new excuse now :p lol

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/73231_10150304252315335_585700334_15567599_1083142_n.jpg)

 
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/Tcj429/downsized_0613111714.jpg)

me too

Not GM style but procomp makes a smaller more Ideal style ford-esque 1 wire dist.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 19, 2011, 12:04:46 AM
Fuel injection and DIS ftw. Absolutely NONE of that rudimentary, rustic non efi stuff does a thing for me. Regardless of brand.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Beau on December 19, 2011, 01:03:38 PM
Quote from: shame302;375856
Fuel injection and DIS ftw. Absolutely NONE of that rudimentary, rustic non efi stuff does a thing for me. Regardless of brand.

Now THAT is one of things I will agree with you on! lol
 
BTW, completely off topic...but over the weekend I fondled an "ar15" and now want one of my own. Didn't get to fire it, since it was within city limits, but the owner has a standing invite to come kill some paper on my 200 acres.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 20, 2011, 01:02:34 AM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;375876

BTW, completely off topic...but over the weekend I fondled an "ar15" and now want one of my own. Didn't get to fire it, since it was within city limits, but the owner has a standing invite to come kill some paper on my 200 acres.

Great range guns. Very fun. I'm in the market but the timing isn't great and i still have to decide if i want to spend the quan on a pre-ban or build/buy a new one that's MA compliant.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Beau on December 20, 2011, 03:18:57 AM
Luckily here we're not too hampered by that...of course, I don't know exactly what's legal to the last letter of an idiotic law for Missouri.....
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 20, 2011, 05:49:37 AM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 20, 2011, 09:06:28 AM
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Watch out for the PRE BAN GUNS. The lowers are the gun it is the upper  that makes it illegal. Remember if you state requires you to register or  paper Pre Bans you cant configure a Post as Pre.
In MA you can configure a pre-ban any way you like. A pre ban lower can carry whatever upper you want, rails, flash suppressor, collapsible stalk, bayonet lug assist etc...Ban list guns can not. Why do you think they (pre-ban) carry the premium? I can get a new M&P sport for 500-600 or I can get a pre-ban Colt for 1400. That or I could move 15 miles north to NH and get whatever the hell I want, the way you're supposed to.

Regardless, this spring I'll have one and I'll likely pick up a bump fire stalk just for giggles.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 20, 2011, 10:25:27 AM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 20, 2011, 11:07:31 AM
You're interpreting the law incorrectly Tom. I can go out right now, buy a pre-ban lower and outfit it how ever I would like, with brand new parts even. The only restriction would be that if I were to use high cap. mags, those would have to be pre-ban as well.

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You most definately can buy a pre ban lower but you cant configure it to pre ban status
LOL, That doesn't even make sense.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 20, 2011, 01:02:32 PM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 20, 2011, 01:10:52 PM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 20, 2011, 01:22:48 PM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 20, 2011, 01:36:58 PM
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Mass assault weapons law.
“that was not otherwise lawfully possessed on September 13, 1994”,

That means that Mass has a grandfather clause in the law. And any assault weapon obtained after that date is illegal. But just like in CT you can definitely buy a pre ban lower. But you cant configure it as such. If you have more than 3 configurations it is illegal. So many in my state buys a pre ban lower and assembles it as such. That is illegal. If you could do that everyone would buy pre bans and configure it as such. Post ban guns are configured for just that. Ma adopted the federal law and it has the COLT AR right in the law. I just read it. Once again you cant buy a pre ban colt lower and configure it as such. Or for that matter any AR as far as i know. That was in the federal ban that sunseted and mass adopted it.

Christ on a stick Tom. Read the law again. Of course (some) people would chose to use the pre-ban lower as the base for their build. Why? because it allows them to configure it as a pre-ban weapon (like it was originally equipped. Those people pay a premium for them when they DO pup up for sale. I've seen pre-ban lowers sell for between 700-1400 and completes sell for 2500. You can get a brand new M&P (MA compliant or non castrated version) for as little as 515 bucks brand new and complete. Bushmasters are 750 bucks. Why would they draw the premium if they were treated as a post-ban weapon?

The law does NOT apply to military and police. They can buy a brand new post-ban in any configuration legally. They can NOT sell it to any non- Mil or LEO.

The law is just saying you can't legally buy or sell a post band assault weapon or large capacity feeding device as defined on September 13, 1994, that wasn't already manufactured and purchased by that date. Those that reside within the state are fair game, hence the premium they fetch. Weapons manufactured and obtained before that date are obviously exempt.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 20, 2011, 02:10:08 PM
you're bickering over guns and gun laws now? seriously? it's always been my belief that 'he who owns guns, has nothing upstairs.. or downstairs for that matter.' guns are stupid from my standpoint, i see zero use for them.. if you need them for protection, MOVE TO A BETTER AREA.. i'm anti-hunting, as i can't see the enjoyment in killing god's creatures.. guns do nothing but kill people in my book.. and don't give me that 'guns don't kill people, people do.' duuuur, people need a trigger to pull in order to kill in 60% of the cases

GUNS SHMUNS, i say ban em all, melt em down and make tbird parts ;)
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 20, 2011, 05:35:45 PM
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you're bickering over guns and gun laws now? seriously? it's always been my belief that 'he who owns guns, has nothing upstairs.. or downstairs for that matter.' guns are stupid from my standpoint, i see zero use for them.. if you need them for protection, MOVE TO A BETTER AREA.. i'm anti-hunting, as i can't see the enjoyment in killing god's creatures.. guns do nothing but kill people in my book.. and don't give me that 'guns don't kill people, people do.' duuuur, people need a trigger to pull in order to kill in 60% of the cases

GUNS SHMUNS, i say ban em all, melt em down and make tbird parts ;)

Well, you're either trolling or inadvertently ignorant. I can already see where this is headed so I'm going to try really hard to be "nice".

How would you feel if they banned any modification to any vehicle registered for highway use and enforced it? How about if "they" banned all recreational biking? IMHO, The Constitutional right that protects gun owners, recreational shooters, enthusiasts, hunters, collectors, shop club and range owners, competition shooters etc. trumps your frightened opinion on guns period. Don't like them, the solution is to not buy one. End of story. Just because YOU see no use for them, doesn't mean you, they or whomever has any reasonable argument or right to take away from those that do and do so lawfully. You can't possibly make a single coherent argument to the contrary.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 20, 2011, 05:56:59 PM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 20, 2011, 08:36:07 PM
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Now shame do some research on this i dont want to see you jammed up. You cant configure a pre ban lower a pre ban gun and have it legal. You cant get papers for it. If you believe this then why does the gun shop not do it and sell it as a legal firearm. Reason being it is illegal. I would never lie to you. I have been in the gun culture since i was 5 and i research the laws very carefully. I also work with local  police on gun issues and i go to classes on the laws.  This is a car site sorry. Hay if you are ever down here in CT come on down to the range and we will bus some NINES together and have some fun. Thank you.
Well, I appreciate the concern. I've posted over on NES and am looking into it. If I'm wron, I'm wrong. Not afraid to admit that. Obviously if that's all true I won't be bothering with a pre-ban unless i can find a pre-ban upper and lower together or completely assembled. I't doesn't exactly break my heart either way. I talked to 2 shops today. One agrees with me and the other wasn't sure. Go figure. If it's true, i know of a few naughty people out there. One thing is for sure, the laws are deliberately misleading/confusing/overcomplicated and above all make no shaging sense at all.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Chrome on December 20, 2011, 09:13:33 PM
Hate to add gas to the fire, but in my town there is a huge crime spree going on. The targeted items of theft are flat screen TVs and guns. My advice to anyone who wants a gun is to try your best to make sure nobody knows you have them.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 21, 2011, 01:13:17 PM
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And any assault weapon obtained after that date is illegal. But just  like in CT you can definitely buy a pre ban lower. But you cant  configure it as such
To touch on this again for those curious:
 In order for a Pre-Ban lower to be legally used (with any upper, pre or post ban) and be considered a Pre-ban weapon, if would have had to be assembled as a complete weapon or "kitted" together prior to 9/13/04 (no longer a federal ban). If it was sold as a lower it must have a paper trail/documentation proving it was complete prior to the ban. Lowers that were sold separately prior to the band but not yet assembled, while there is zero case law, should not be used. So, not all Pre-Ban lowers "qualify" (which is retarded) but those that do CAN be sold/purchased as complete OR as separate lowers and assembled lawfully.

Obviously Post-Ban lowers and Pre-Ban uppers are a no-no but I don't think that was in question anyway.

Worthy of noting, apparently CT. managed to find a way to suck more than MA in regards to weapon bans. Imagine that. They even name the Colt AR-15 and Sporter specifically on their ban list.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Beau on December 22, 2011, 02:44:01 AM
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you're bickering over guns and gun laws now?
Because arguing like imbeciles over Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge is better?
Don't get all uptight when a thread you originally hijacked gets hijacked out from under you...

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seriously? it's always been my belief that 'he who owns guns, has nothing upstairs.. or downstairs for that matter.'
Let's compare. Either/or, and see who's the "better man" in your own ignorant buttstuffogy.
For real, I'm game.

Anyways...
It's always been my belief that people who fear things criticize those things or the people who enjoy them, because they can't leave other people's hobbies/passions/etc the shag alone.
If you don't like something, leave it be.

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guns are stupid from my standpoint, i see zero use for them.. if you need them for protection, MOVE TO A BETTER AREA..
Ok, by your reasoning all cops should only be allowed to carry flashlights and packs of bubblemint gum. And crime happens everywhere. Fact. Ban guns completely out of existence, violent crime will still happen. Better ban cars too, idiots steal cars and run into innocent people. Ban pop and candy. Diabetes kills people too. See my point...?

I don't own guns so I can "feel safe", I own guns because it's a Constitutional right and my privilege to. I own guns because I like to hunt, to reload my own shells, to target practice and to learn various combos of bullets and powder loads. 

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i'm anti-hunting, as i can't see the enjoyment in killing god's creatures..
I will admit that killing an animal does affect me, but I'd like it a hell of a lot less if that 180 pound doe went through the windshield of a car with children in it.
Plus, it's free meat, and if nobody hunted, the ecosystem would rapidly get out of hand. Farmers would suffer, not mention the diseases that affect deer would move into livestock populations. What would ya eat then? Maple leaves? Pancakes?

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guns do nothing but kill people in my book.. and don't give me that 'guns don't kill people, people do.' duuuur, people need a trigger to pull in order to kill in 60% of the cases
Your ignorant statement should be amended to say this: "guns kill people, but only in the hands of desperate or drug-addled, or uncaring illegally-carrying persons bent on breaking many laws"
You sound just like the brainwashed lunatics who think that hamburger meat from the store is made in a factory somewhere...or worse, don't even eat meat in the first place.
You're from a place where hunting probably isn't a way of life, a tradition passed down for many generations. So don't insult me or countless others that do with your (very) narrow view of a pre-conceived notion of guns and those who (legally) own them.

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GUNS SHMUNS, i say ban em all, melt em down and make tbird parts ;)

I've been here a long time...seen a few trolls come and go. I really and truly don't give two steaming shiznits about your dislike of Camaros or most things chevy. Ain't where my animosity comes from. You've never hunted or eaten what you've killed. Never pitted your skills in the woods against a smarter and better opponent.

So if you're going to judge those who do, then kiss my ass, and GFY. :D
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 22, 2011, 03:52:55 AM
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Because arguing like imbeciles over Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge is better?
Don't get all uptight when a thread you originally hijacked gets hijacked out from under you...


Let's compare. Either/or, and see who's the "better man" in your own ignorant buttstuffogy.
For real, I'm game.

Anyways...
It's always been my belief that people who fear things criticize those things or the people who enjoy them, because they can't leave other people's hobbies/passions/etc the shag alone.
If you don't like something, leave it be.


Ok, by your reasoning all cops should only be allowed to carry flashlights and packs of bubblemint gum. And crime happens everywhere. Fact. Ban guns completely out of existence, violent crime will still happen. Better ban cars too, idiots steal cars and run into innocent people. Ban pop and candy. Diabetes kills people too. See my point...?

I don't own guns so I can "feel safe", I own guns because it's a Constitutional right and my privilege to. I own guns because I like to hunt, to reload my own shells, to target practice and to learn various combos of bullets and powder loads. 


I will admit that killing an animal does affect me, but I'd like it a hell of a lot less if that 180 pound doe went through the windshield of a car with children in it.
Plus, it's free meat, and if nobody hunted, the ecosystem would rapidly get out of hand. Farmers would suffer, not mention the diseases that affect deer would move into livestock populations. What would ya eat then? Maple leaves? Pancakes?


Your ignorant statement should be amended to say this: "guns kill people, but only in the hands of desperate or drug-addled, or uncaring illegally-carrying persons bent on breaking many laws"
You sound just like the brainwashed lunatics who think that hamburger meat from the store is made in a factory somewhere...or worse, don't even eat meat in the first place.
You're from a place where hunting probably isn't a way of life, a tradition passed down for many generations. So don't insult me or countless others that do with your (very) narrow view of a pre-conceived notion of guns and those who (legally) own them.



I've been here a long time...seen a few trolls come and go. I really and truly don't give two steaming shiznits about your dislike of Camaros or most things chevy. Ain't where my animosity comes from. You've never hunted or eaten what you've killed. Never pitted your skills in the woods against a smarter and better opponent.

So if you're going to judge those who do, then kiss my ass, and GFY. :D


thank you for helping me win a bet lmao.. i bet someone who just cruises around the forum i could get you stirred up on a COMPLETELY different subject, both in context and subject matter and you just put $30 in my pocket.. thank you sir lol i didn't mean to offend anyone, but a bet is a bet and i never back down from a challenge.. i formally apologize if anyone was offended

i'm not really anti firearms, but i do believe the laws aren't strict enough.. i believe that there should be more requirements in order to possess a gun and ammunition should be harder to obtain

i am however against hunting, but i fully understand the necessity of such population control, otherwise we'd have a lot more accidents on the road caused by animals.. as well as such related disease spreading.. unfortunately, hunting isn't permitted in many areas around here because of the population, so there are still a lot of accidents involving deer.. the major reason being that the deer aren't given much of a confined wooded area to hunker down deep in the woods.. it's a shame really, their habitat is being destroyed by overly expensive housing complexes that most people can't even afford

as for the rest of what you said, i am NOT reading all of that.. it'll take me 3 hours.. or days lol
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Post by: Beau on December 22, 2011, 04:12:58 AM
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thank you for helping me win a bet lmao.. i bet someone who just cruises around the forum i could get you stirred up on a COMPLETELY different subject, both in context and subject matter and you just put $30 in my pocket.. thank you sir lol i didn't mean to offend anyone, but a bet is a bet and i never back down from a challenge.. i formally apologize if anyone was offended

i'm not really anti firearms, but i do believe the laws aren't strict enough.. i believe that there should be more requirements in order to possess a gun and ammunition should be harder to obtain

i am however against hunting, but i fully understand the necessity of such population control, otherwise we'd have a lot more accidents on the road caused by animals.. as well as such related disease spreading.. unfortunately, hunting isn't permitted in many areas around here because of the population, so there are still a lot of accidents involving deer.. the major reason being that the deer aren't given much of a confined wooded area to hunker down deep in the woods.. it's a shame really, their habitat is being destroyed by overly expensive housing complexes that most people can't even afford

as for the rest of what you said, i am NOT reading all of that.. it'll take me 3 hours.. or days lol

:flip: :rollin: :beatyoass:
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Haystack on December 22, 2011, 04:58:35 AM
Wow, if your not willing to read into something, alittle bit, to gain wanted knowledge, just wait till the rest of real life hits you.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 22, 2011, 05:41:44 AM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 22, 2011, 05:56:42 AM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 22, 2011, 06:09:23 AM
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Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 22, 2011, 01:08:45 PM
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And if you did not own it you are SCREWED.

This makes it sound like you are saying that you MUST be the owner of the riffle prior to the ban and that it can not be transferred? Am I understanding this correctly?

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Any lower purchased after the ban date  adopted by MASS which is the federal original law is standing.
You DO know it's not a feredral law now right?

 
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So in Mass you cant manufacture a pre ban gun as a consumer.
You most certainly CAN, read below.

 
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Only police or military ETC.
They (in MA, they can not in CT. It has to be issued to them) can purchase a BRAND NEW AR-15 in pre-ban configuration. Likely they could get away with assembling a non-compliant pre-ban lower as well but maybe not. I'm not sure and i don't care. They can buy a new one for less like the rest of the country.

 
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So assembling a pre ban lower as a pre ban gun violates Mass law.
Not absolutely. Only the lowers that were not assembled/kitted/papered prior to 9/13/94 violate law.

 
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Hay i have several pre ban guns. What would stop me from transfering them to a mass dealer and have him break down the gun and sell you the lower. HE CAN. But you cant make it a pre ban with accessories.
I'm not sure they being pre-ban can be transferred into the state unless perhaps willed. If they can be transfered in, and they have serial numbers that reflect they were assembled/kitted or papered prior to the bans, than nothing.


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ATF REGS on states with assault weapons bans.

 If you as a retail customer or dealer had a lower receiver on hand that was manufactured before the law was signed, but you didn’t have all the parts on hand to assemble it into a complete rifle, you could not now assemble it into a legal, Pre-ban rifle. If you had all the parts on hand before the bill was signed into law, you could still assemble it into a legal, Pre-ban configuration.
That backs up exactly what I'm saying. So, Don't know what to tell yo but. You're missing what I said.

I agree, the Pre-ban would have to have been "papered". This means any AR-15 manufactured and assembled or kitted before 9/13/94 qualifies. I'm not sure about transfers from out of state. I hadn't even considered it and at this time is a moot point. I refer to only those that were within the state prior to the ban. I believe only the ones that reside within the state are legal. LOWER pre-ban assemblies that were NOT sold as a complete weapon or kitted would have to have been assembled before 9/13/94 AND would have to have some sort of paper trail/proof (photos and notarized notice etc) because they would not have a serial number representing them as a complete weapon/kit. Any of those above can lawfully be broken down, sold and refitted with pre OR post uppers. FACT. ONLY the lowers that were NOT assembled, sold kitted, or were sold as individual lowers CAN NOT lawfully be assembled as a legal pre-ban weapon.

So, you were correct that not all pre-ban lowers could be assembled as pre-ban weapons legally, but you were only half right.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 22, 2011, 03:18:06 PM
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:flip: :rollin: :beatyoass:

sorry lol it was a bet i knew i could win, so i had to do it.. i guess i know how to ruffle your feathers a bit too well lol
 
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Wow, if your not willing to read into something, alittle bit, to gain wanted knowledge, just wait till the rest of real life hits you.

it's not really something i want/need much knowledge of.. i spend too much on the hobbies i have now, guns would send me into debt and possibly get me in trouble.. lol plus it's too much for my mind to handle.. i have ADD and stopped taking my meds at 14, so i can't concentrate long enough to read it all


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Shadow as i explained in another post i went to an OBD3 Course and i explained about the fuel pump thing. Made a good point to some but others did not agree.  fine and doubt is good. But we also had a state inspector inform us that some agencies want the new emission standards so tough that older cars cant pass. And some also wanted a cutoff date for registering older cars. Now i know this will never happen!!! Or Maybe Not???? My state has very strict rules on non obd2 cars. Some obd 1 cars have a hard time passing tail pipe. Reason they have no EGR SYSTEMS and the state knows that. So if you are a ban this and ban that type of person and want stricter rules on guns. You just may have those same rules applied to your car. You must know that living in NJ the most restrictive state on cars and guns. Dont wish for things to hard. They just may come true!!!!

NJ isn't the strictest state.. i've seen cars (untouched) come from PA, NY and MD pass in NJ that couldn't pass the sniffer in those states.. NJ's emissions laws are outdated compared to other states, i believe
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: TOM Renzo on December 22, 2011, 05:14:37 PM
Shame
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: shame302 on December 22, 2011, 06:11:16 PM
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Shame
Who cares any way. If you are down in danbury on Sundays come down to the mountain and i will show you a great time. We can do some shooting and talk about guns. This offer stands and you are welcome at the club at any time

I do. I'd rather avoid having to take on the state. I appreciate the offer/invite.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Beau on December 22, 2011, 07:25:58 PM
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sorry lol it was a bet i knew i could win, so i had to do it.. i guess i know how to ruffle your feathers a bit too well lol

s'ok lol...I was tired, hungry, and stuff....and I edited it all about 12 times lmao

I was heated then, but I'm lmao now ;)
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 22, 2011, 07:28:24 PM
well that's good.. i'd split the money with you for getting you heated, but i'm greedy hahah
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Haystack on December 24, 2011, 02:17:32 AM
So now your hiding behind rugs for behavior? Just curious. So what is something that you have done because of you? Not trying to be mean, but it seems like an on going thing to be the center of attention, then blame everyone else under the sun as to why.
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Shadow on December 24, 2011, 03:24:24 AM
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So now your hiding behind rugs for behavior? Just curious. So what is something that you have done because of you? Not trying to be mean, but it seems like an on going thing to be the center of attention, then blame everyone else under the sun as to why.

:dunno: what you're getting at, but i'm not 1 to enjoy being in the 'spotlight' much.. i seem to be a super post w as of lately though.. might be from the 4 months of (basically) solitary confinement i went through when i broke my leg.. was stuck in bed and couldn't do anything, so i suppose i'm 'making up for lost time'.. i'm about to go on a 2 month hiatus betwen being neck-deep in chrome moly tubing and elbow deep in projects, so you'll be seeing much, much less of me as of monday when the 18 hour work days begin ;)
Title: thunderbird vs mustang
Post by: Haystack on December 24, 2011, 06:51:07 AM
I've quit my job, moved in with my dad, and am going through a divorce.. I have over 180 hours into just typing up court documents against the wifes lawyer, just since october 30th. I have spent months trying to get to the point I can see my two kids.

At the end of the day we all have problems. This is a nice place where people like to spend their time. Your more the welcome to come and hang out as well. Bu you don't need to try to ruin every thread because you broke your leg. I am sorry to hear about it though. But I will tell you this, your not going to make any frends screwing with people here. I would rather you were ran off then any of my freinds that I have talked to here, nearly everyday, for 8 years. It is a delecate place, with good people.

If you have a car problem, even if it is a chevy, throw up a post about it. If you want to guess at hp output of a possible motor combo, go ahead. But please do not ruin every thread just to piss people off. I am not going to lose any sleep over it, but I would prefer that no one else does either.