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Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: bike70ride on November 10, 2011, 02:54:55 PM
Picked up a nail in my pass rear tire recently (we've had a lot of roof work done in our neighborhood...ours included).  It's WAY on the outer edge of the tire tread where they always say it's not repairable (ask how I know as my wife's Passat has the same tire flat with a nail yesterday!).  I replaced all 4 tires just last year so this one is in really good shape...I hate to just trash it.  But, is that really the only option I have?  I've never heard anything good about the "fix-a-flat" canned stuff (especially for a long term repair...bad for rims, tire, etc.).  The plug stuff you can get at auto stores still mentions to place a patch on the inside! :/
 
Thoughts?  Or, do I just get a new tire and be done?
 
THX!
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: T-BirdX3 on November 10, 2011, 04:09:35 PM
As long as it isn't in the sidewall I always patch mine, never had one come out.
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: bike70ride on November 10, 2011, 05:11:33 PM
What do you use?  Just that suff that looks like sticky licorice?  Per the one I had tired to use on my wife's tire (got it in, never tried to test with air as her sidewall was damaged from driving on it underinflated) it says to still install a patch on the inside of the tire...can't really do that myself.
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: TOM Renzo on November 10, 2011, 06:03:55 PM
Well
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: Thunder Chicken on November 10, 2011, 07:08:17 PM
What Tom said. Plugs are meant to be a temporary repair, and if the hole is in the shoulder area (right near the edge of the tread) it can't be safely repaired. That canned fix-a-flat stuff is also a temporary repair (it'll say so right on the can) and using it will almost certainly cause a shimmy. The balance of the wheel will constantly be changing with several ounces of liquid sloshing about. This is especially true if it gets below freezing where you live...
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: flylear45 on November 10, 2011, 07:16:48 PM
I agree that it may be a bust.

BUT, here's what I'd do. I'd plug the sucker with one of those gooey licorice plugs with a slathering of glue on it. Then I'd buy a can of Fixa flat and chuck it in the trunk in case it fails. If it does, you are out a couple bucks for trying.

I've had some good luck with plugs in the past or I wouldn't give you hope.

Especially with tires costing twice what they should!

JMHO
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: TOM Renzo on November 10, 2011, 09:45:35 PM
Hi f
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: mcb82gt on November 11, 2011, 04:43:20 PM
Wow.

What do you call a hundred lawyers sitting at the bottom of the ocean?















A good start.
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: 1BadBird on November 11, 2011, 09:10:06 PM
:laughing:  :laughing:
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: daminc on November 11, 2011, 09:29:25 PM
years ago, I once had 13 plugs in my 1 work van tire.....
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: shame302 on November 12, 2011, 12:45:01 PM
Quote from: TOM Renzo;372510
Hi flyer here is the truth in a nutshell. If i as a licensed repair center plug a tire. And dont get me wrong i have seen thousands and it does work in my opinion. But i cant do it. State law forbids it. I know loosing a new tire is a bummer. But with lawyers and such as the world is i personally cant take a chance. The only thing by law we can do is an inside patch. A friend of mine was sued for 2 million when a customer bought in rims and tires to be mounted. He did it and 1 year later the customer over inflated the (OFF ROAD TIRES AND RIMS ONLY) The customer was inflating them at a gas station. By the way he installed double the amount of air and the tire blew off the rim on the inside. He was not hurt but claimed his hearing was compromised. By the way the company that made the rims were well out of business after this happened. A jury found my friend guilty any way. They calmed as an authorized tire dealer they should have worned the customer on the invoice. You see Jury's are people that think business people are floating in CASH and that they should pay no matter what. The case is under appeal. Either way my friend looses.
Tort reform. Quite obviously that was a fraudulent claim. Sucks to be that guy.


I say Plug it and keep a can ready to go like flylear45 said. If you're that broke it is what it is. Be prepared to pay out if anything nasty happens though. It's your responsibility.

THIS is the only truth.
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: T-BirdX3 on November 12, 2011, 04:07:31 PM
Quote from: bike70ride;372487
What do you use?  Just that suff that looks like sticky licorice?  Per the one I had tired to use on my wife's tire (got it in, never tried to test with air as her sidewall was damaged from driving on it underinflated) it says to still install a patch on the inside of the tire...can't really do that myself.

 
Car and light trucks I use the leather push in plugs with rubber glue, heavy truck tire I use rubber patch placed on the inside of the tire.
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: flylear45 on November 12, 2011, 04:31:52 PM
I think Tom is just saying he can't say to plug one. I understand that.

I had a '69 Spitfire with 1 week old tires (back in '83). Ran across some nails in the road and all 4 had holes. I was a flat broke SOB at the time and plugged all those tires. I never had any problems with them and I sold the car many years later. It worked for me.

I don't care for the sealant goo you spray in the tire. I used it on my lawnmower, but not on a road vehicle. Only as an emergency measure, and tell the tire place that stuff is in there!
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: Chuck W on November 12, 2011, 06:20:22 PM
I hate plugs, and only will use patches inside.  That's what most of the places around here use, but if they suggest a plug, I tell them to do an inside patch.

If you can find a place to patch it, run it.  The location of the hole leads me to believe that you won't be able to, but it's worth a shot.
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: Chrome on November 12, 2011, 06:37:53 PM
No shop will patch that in that location due to legal reasons. Plugs work great. Never had a problem with them. Fix-a-flat not a good idea. Plug it n go! Due to the location, I would not go very fast. I recommend replacing the tire as soon as you can afford to.
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: Haystack on November 12, 2011, 10:58:14 PM
I wouldn't be against driving it with a plug in the side wall, but I would be ready for the tire to go at any point in time. The problem isn't with the type of repqir, its with the location. If your tire is low on air, it rubs the side wall and it will fail. Might last a day, might last a year, but it will fail, and more likely then not, the sidewall will fail and not the plug or patch.

Blowing a sidewall on a front tire is sort of scary. Back end isn't as bad, but if your in a compromized situation, I would not want either.
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: bullitt4514 on November 20, 2011, 02:10:32 AM
I picked up a screw in the fusion before i got rid of. Used a Harborfreight plug, got 6 more months out of it . (was planning on new tires, just not right away)
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: Stealth on November 20, 2011, 10:19:06 AM
If you are fixing it yourself, lawsuits are unlikely. We only care about functionality here. Be aware that the sidewall/tread intersection area flexes a lot, so the plug may fail or leak later. That is why a pro won't do it for you. If you plug it use the red ones that look like rope (commercial grade). An internal patch is more likely to last. We used to install inner tubes in such a situation, but alloy rims don't line up with the valve stem.
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: lionman on November 28, 2011, 02:48:11 PM
My neighbor knocked on my door telling me my rear right tire was dead flat. Found out a small hole was on the side of the outside thread. Patching didn't work, we got a tube put in, and its still holding. Needed a new valve stem for the spare tire... Now I may need one for the front left.
Title: Fix a Flat (literally?)
Post by: bike70ride on December 01, 2011, 05:47:43 PM
Well, interestingly, I'm not sure what I saw was even a nailhead.  It was at work, and I could never find it once I got home.  Plus, the tire has stayed inflated just fine (as of today) since my initial post!  I had left my car out in the driveway overnight (not something I do often, even though we live in a nice neighborhood), so I'm kinda wondering if it was some kid doing a prank and letting the air out.  I have no other explanation for why the tire is now just fine.
 
Thanks for all the replies and suggestions/advice, however.  Great info to have!
 
Greg