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Title: obviously not a fox, but WOW.. nasty SC
Post by: Shadow on October 11, 2011, 07:59:44 PM
i love SC's just as much as fox birds, minus the 'luxary car' feel.. but this is a prime example of why i love them.. this car is just flat out mean.. makes me reeeaaaaalllllly miss my 89 SC 5spd :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPFLP3yIzPM&feature=related
Title: obviously not a fox, but WOW.. nasty SC
Post by: ZondaC12 on October 11, 2011, 08:43:44 PM
Wow....sounds AWESOME near its top end...guessing 6000+ RPM or so?
Title: obviously not a fox, but WOW.. nasty SC
Post by: Shadow on October 11, 2011, 08:44:52 PM
it says 7000rpm.. didn't know sc 3.8's could turn up that high
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Post by: RunninWild on October 11, 2011, 09:54:16 PM
I'd love an SC. I'd love anything that's fast at this point...
Title: obviously not a fox, but WOW.. nasty SC
Post by: Shadow on October 11, 2011, 10:17:58 PM
always wanted to put an SC motor in a fox, even if it had to be a stang
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Post by: fordguy545 on October 12, 2011, 10:02:49 PM
I have an 89 SC 5 spd right now, but I can't say I love it.  Gimme a fox any day.  I know I need to change plugs and wires on it, but its currently running ok at 65K and I really have NO desire to change them.  This is coming from the guy that strips cars to their shell to build them!
Title: obviously not a fox, but WOW.. nasty SC
Post by: Shadow on October 12, 2011, 10:30:46 PM
no one has the desire to change plugs on an SC.. the driver side plugs are a huge PITMFA.. mine wasn't stock though, i had a few SCP bolt ons with a jet chip, 10% pullies and shorty headers off an SN95 3.8.. she was fun to drive, until the inevitable head gasket failure.. i really miss her, she was a fun daily driver

i'll give you an 87 TC with no motor for yours ;)
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Post by: fordguy545 on October 12, 2011, 11:36:30 PM
you mean pass side plugs?  It looks like the drivers is the easy side.  Mines got a pulley and cold air intake, full exhaust except manifolds, centerforce dual friction, and ripper shifter.  Its quick and all, just gets lousy mileage and doesn't have the looks of a fox. 
BTW why would I get rid of a running car for a roller?
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Post by: Shadow on October 12, 2011, 11:53:53 PM
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Gimme a fox any day.

^ :p lol i couldn't part with it though.. i get more attached to my cars than i do women.. sad, i know.. lol
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Post by: fordguy545 on October 13, 2011, 06:37:56 PM
lol
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Post by: sarjxxx on October 14, 2011, 05:33:41 PM
One day I WILL own a 94 or 95 SC. I miss my 96 n/a to death I loved that car and was planning on doing an SC engine swap but the poor car was just dying a slow painful death and I had to put it down. I would love a freakin SC esp in 94/95 cause they got the new interior plus the bigger blower.
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Post by: Shadow on October 14, 2011, 09:06:21 PM
i don't care for the 94+ interiors, too modern for my taste.. but the M90 blower is great. i bought 1 for my SC from a junkyard donor that i never got to put on because of the stupid head gaskets >:l
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Post by: shame302 on October 14, 2011, 10:09:14 PM
I don't know what it is with those cars but I never liked them. I LOVE the Mark VIIIs. I LOVE the foxes, just can't get torqued up about those MN12s.
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Post by: Shadow on October 14, 2011, 10:54:13 PM
neither could i until i traded my cougar for my sc.. i bought it only because of the motor and fell in love with it after it's first trip out of the driveway.. the body just grew on me after that.. i still don't like the non-sc's though, the skirts and bumpers are what do it for me
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Post by: Haystack on October 14, 2011, 11:02:47 PM
Every 89 up mn-12 I have ridden in just felt wrong. Hate the 4.6 too. Even with the extra 75 hp, still can't out run an 86 5.0 cougar.
Title: obviously not a fox, but WOW.. nasty SC
Post by: Shadow on October 14, 2011, 11:27:49 PM
i hate OHC motors.. and i definitely hate having to work on ew
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Post by: shame302 on October 15, 2011, 01:20:10 PM
It's not the OHC motors i dislike, It's the cars. The stock engines are junk but their are options, affordable ones that trump the oem junk found in all those cars. You could drom a 500HP street engine in both a fox and a MN12 and I'll likely pick the fox every time. It has more class.
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Post by: Shadow on October 15, 2011, 01:41:33 PM
foxes are definitely better looking cars.. i often think about dropping an SC motor in a fox with an MS2 system, but the right opertunity has yet to present itself.. i almost put 1 in my capri, but glad i didn't, much happier with the route i took.. all in all, SC's will be the only post 1990 car you'll ever see me owning.. i hate 99% of cars built after then
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Post by: shame302 on October 15, 2011, 04:01:39 PM
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i often think about dropping an SC motor in a fox with an MS2 system
Complete waste of time money and energy outside of doing something for the sake alone of being "different". You still end up with a car that sound ricer typical disgusting.

I suppose I'm just being cynical. Even with the Foxes, I hate everything about them except for the body.
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Post by: Shadow on October 15, 2011, 04:40:55 PM
the sc's sound good when you use the right lers on them. mine had 2 flowmaster 40 series on it when i got it and it sounded like a 4 cylinder mustang with a nasty exhaust leak. i switched to cherry bomb turbo 2's as a cheap fix and it sounded a lot better, so i left them on. with the 10% pulley and cold air intake, you heard more from the front of the car, than the back.. but if i was to put an SC motor in a fox, i'd buy a 4.3 shortblock from SCP and do it right, topped off with the 2.0 charger
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Post by: shame302 on October 15, 2011, 05:05:07 PM
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[INDENT]                    the sc's sound good when[/INDENT]
\Meh, Subjective. A stock 99-04 GT with whatever for a cat-back sounds better than any configuration of a 6cyl MN car iMHO. The vid posted is a decent example. I suppose it sounds "nice" as specially or a 6cyl car but pretty much any mustang GT with a cat back will sound much, much better. Ditto for any mach 1 or cobra.
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Post by: EFFalcon on October 15, 2011, 05:58:38 PM
Someone in Australia dropped a SC motor into an EA (88-91) Falcon
everyone asked why, as everyone just turbo's EA's over here :P

the other confusing part is, Holden released a Supercharged (m90) 3.8 V6 in the commodore for a number of years.
as nearly no one knows about post 70's thunderbirds here, they had no idea what it was from.
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Post by: Shadow on October 15, 2011, 06:29:40 PM
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\Meh, Subjective. A stock 99-04 GT with whatever for a cat-back sounds better than any configuration of a 6cyl MN car iMHO. The vid posted is a decent example. I suppose it sounds "nice" as specially or a 6cyl car but pretty much any mustang GT with a cat back will sound much, much better. Ditto for any mach 1 or cobra.



i don't like the sound of them.. they're too obnoxious for my liking.. louder isn't always better.. i like my exhaust to have more rumble than anything else.. the loud, raspy sound of a cobra makes me want to punch babies
 

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Someone in Australia dropped a SC motor into an EA (88-91) Falcon
everyone asked why, as everyone just turbo's EA's over here :P

the other confusing part is, Holden released a Supercharged (m90) 3.8 V6 in the commodore for a number of years.
as nearly no one knows about post 70's thunderbirds here, they had no idea what it was from.


i stick to my previous statement made in another conversation.. australia gets all the cool cars, no fair!
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 15, 2011, 07:16:43 PM
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Every 89 up mn-12 I have ridden in just felt wrong. Hate the 4.6 too. Even with the extra 75 hp, still can't out run an 86 5.0 cougar.

You must have been driving an extremely worn out 4.6 running on 4 cylinders..... Now, I'm no huge mn-12 guy, but as being a previous owner of both a 94 thunderbird and 86 302 cougar (had both cars at the same time) stock vs. stock the Thunderbird would win everytime. Saying that it can't outrun an '86 Cougar is pretty bogus. Don't get me wrong, I loved  the Cat a lot better, the MN-12 was just a daily driver, but the cat would not outrun the bird on an SO motor.
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Post by: fordguy545 on October 15, 2011, 07:36:20 PM
According to the gtech meter, my SC was faster compared to my TC near stock to near stock.  Tc had boost controller, K+N, FMIC, and Stinger 3" exhaust. SC had pulley, CAI, Exhaust.  Tc trapped 90 at the dragstrip on 21# boost and SC trapped 95 on gtech(take that with a grain of salt) but gas milage on the SC is a killer.  Who the hell thought 2.73 gears in that heavy pig were a good idea?  To get better milage, I run the  thing in 4th gear instead of 5th.
The exhaust on the SC is growing on me though.  I have magnaflows on it and it actually sounds pretty good - till you get to 3000rpm, then it just gets loud!
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Post by: Shadow on October 15, 2011, 08:35:06 PM
i've never heard an SC with magnaflows.. well, that i know of anyway.. i bet it sounds a lot better than mine did with the lousy flowmasters
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Post by: shame302 on October 17, 2011, 01:55:26 PM
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i don't like the sound of them.. they're too obnoxious for my liking.. louder isn't always better.. i like my exhaust to have more rumble than anything else.. the loud, raspy sound of a cobra makes me want to punch babies

Hey, If you prefer a car that sounds like a farm tractor, good for you. I don't know exactly where you get off calling a cobra loud, raspy and obnoxious after watching that video but, Like I said, subjective. To each his own. Vid posted just makes me cringe. It sounds gross. As far as loud and raspy on a cobra, if that's the type of sound you go for, you pick a certain exhaust for it. They certainly don't have to sound that way. Mine does not.
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Post by: Shadow on October 17, 2011, 02:32:45 PM
i don't like sn95's or their motors.. i had a customer who would come in like clockwork, once a month, with his 99 GT.. i hated and still hate that car.. mt soul died a little each time i worked on the car. the first thing he wanted was SLP loudmouth lers, which make the 4.6 sound like a trans am.. loud, raspy as hell and overly obnoxious.. i finally turned the guy away when he asked if i'd do a lightening svt motor swap

i don't like loud and obnoxious, i like a decent tone and loud when you put it to the floor. you're right, SC's don't have any rumble, but they certainly don't sound like a farm tractor, that's a lousy comparison.. most people are surprised at what's in my capri and blue tc because they're not as loud as you'd expect them to be. both cars have flowmaster 60 series AND dynomax race bullets on them.. the race bullets are mounted up by the trans crossmeber with a 3bolt header  on the back, so i can disconnect the full length exhaust at the track.. i'm extremely satisfied with how they sound, not much louder than a 5.0 stang with flowmasters.. 9 times out of 10, you hear the turbo over the exhaust from inside the car.. that's how my SC was with the 10% pulley and silencer holes blocked off
Title: obviously not a fox, but WOW.. nasty SC
Post by: Haystack on October 17, 2011, 10:12:48 PM
The only 4.6 I ever really ran side by side with was a 94 cougar. Freind's little sisters car. Inherited it with around 32k. Who ever took off first won everytime. I am really not too impressed with most of the 4.6's. Top end, the 86 pulled on it ever so slightly.

My freinds 2001 gt does not even pass my 88 wagon till I'm doing 30-35mph. There is just no bottom end to them. Once they get going they really scoot though. I still think an h.o. swapped cat or bird with a stick would take on a 99-04 mustang gt.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 17, 2011, 10:22:07 PM
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My freinds 2001 gt does not even pass my 88 wagon till I'm doing 30-35mph. There is just no bottom end to them. Once they get going they really scoot though. I still think an h.o. swapped cat or bird with a stick would take on a 99-04 mustang gt.

Not calling you a liar, but this I really have a hard time believing.
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Post by: Shadow on October 17, 2011, 11:08:00 PM
i believe it.. 4.6's are gutless at the bottom end in stock form. it's mostly in their stock tune for emmissions.. a good tune and a cai will do a lot for idle-2k
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 17, 2011, 11:26:17 PM
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i believe it.. 4.6's are gutless at the bottom end in stock form. it's mostly in their stock tune for emmissions.. a good tune and a cai will do a lot for idle-2k

I dunno. I don't really want to start a g match here, I just find a hard time believing that a 4000 lb. station wagon with a 150 hp. 302 is better on the jump than an '01 GT or even an earlier 4.6 T-bird or Cougar. I'm not saying they are extremely fast, or even remotely fast, but the 94 bird and 94 Cat I had were definitely quicker than the '91 Crown Vic I had before them. Granted they aren't the best on bottom end, but hell, neither is the stock 5.0.
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Post by: hypostang on October 17, 2011, 11:30:17 PM
My daughter's mountain bike will out accelerate my Town Car by a long shot , I'm 100% sure a 4.6  GT would make me look like an idiot
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Post by: shame302 on October 17, 2011, 11:39:47 PM
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i don't like sn95's or their motors.. i had a customer who would come in like clockwork, once a month, with his 99 GT.. i hated and still hate that car.. mt soul died a little each time i worked on the car. the first thing he wanted was SLP loudmouth lers, which make the 4.6 sound like a trans am.. loud, raspy as hell and overly obnoxious.. i finally turned the guy away when he asked if i'd do a lightening svt motor swap
Huh? So you didn't like the car (for no apparent reason?). OK and the guy wanted  one of the loudest most obnoxious catback you can put on a car you  them all. Interesting. I don't like it either. 2 of my friends have them, one a blown 04 GT and another a bullit. I can barely hear my car when i follow either of those guys. I have a chambered borla catback and a catted X. Not loud cruising. The tires on my jeep are louder then my cruising "note". No drone on the highway and it sounds fantastic. Point is, you have options with the V8 cars. You really don't with the sixers. They sound awful, particularly when you throw an exhaust on them. No different than a ranger. They just don't wring right. 

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i don't like loud and obnoxious, i like a decent tone and loud when you put it to the floor. you're right, SC's don't have any rumble, but they certainly don't sound like a farm tractor, that's a lousy comparison.. most people are surprised at what's in my capri and blue tc because they're not as loud as you'd expect them to be. both cars have flowmaster 60 series AND dynomax race bullets on them.. the race bullets are mounted up by the trans crossmeber with a 3bolt header  on the back, so i can disconnect the full length exhaust at the track.. i'm extremely satisfied with how they sound, not much louder than a 5.0 stang with flowmasters.. 9 times out of 10, you hear the turbo over the exhaust from inside the car.. that's how my SC was with the 10% pulley and silencer holes blocked off
I dunno, you keep mentioning loudness. We're on 2 different pages if thats the case cause loudness isn't the issue. Its the gross sound the 6 cyl cars make be it your SC, a ranger, a grand prix, a jeep etc....I don't know what it is with the domestic cars but they just sound bad or if you are lucky, "ok" like the one posted. That car gets an astounding epic "meh" from me the second i hit play. Just my opinion. Glad you're satisfied with the sound you car makes. Post up a vid!
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Post by: Shadow on October 17, 2011, 11:39:49 PM
it also has a lot to do with how well both have been maintained.. i've seen some pretty hurt 4.6's get spanked by great running 4 banger/t5 stangs
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Post by: shame302 on October 17, 2011, 11:43:39 PM
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i believe it.. 4.6's are gutless at the bottom end in stock form. it's mostly in their stock tune for emmissions.. a good tune and a cai will do a lot for idle-2k
The 4 valve cars aren't. Hell the GT does fine as well. If you are comparing it to the 5.0 then sure, they have a different torque curve (it's been years since i've driven an old 5.0 car that was near stock) but they are completely different animals.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 17, 2011, 11:46:22 PM
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it also has a lot to do with how well both have been maintained.. i've seen some pretty hurt 4.6's get spanked by great running 4 banger/t5 stangs

I would agree with that. But, stock for stock, in around the same condition, I just don't see it happening.
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Post by: shame302 on October 17, 2011, 11:49:52 PM
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The only 4.6 I ever really ran side by side with was a 94 cougar. Freind's little sisters car. Inherited it with around 32k. Who ever took off first won everytime. I am really not too impressed with most of the 4.6's. Top end, the 86 pulled on it ever so slightly.
LOL, you're not impressed with MOST 4.6s or the shiznitbox 94 you ran?

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My freinds 2001 gt does not even pass my 88 wagon till I'm doing 30-35mph. There is just no bottom end to them. Once they get going they really scoot though.
Somebody is doing something wrong or something is wrong with the GT. Even if that WAS the case, It's certainly over after that. We do have one local GT that had some sort of issue where it's driving like a slug. Not sure if the kid worked that out or not but I'd bet it would still take your 88. (not banging on you or your car, I've had them. There is a reason I moved on).

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I still think an h.o. swapped cat or bird with a stick would take on a 99-04 mustang gt.
Stock 5.0 HO vs. stock, not a chance.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 17, 2011, 11:52:54 PM
I'm glad somebody agrees with me...:hick:
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Post by: shame302 on October 17, 2011, 11:54:43 PM
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it also has a lot to do with how well both have been maintained.. i've seen some pretty hurt 4.6's get spanked by great running 4 banger/t5 stangs
What's the point anyway. We're talking sixers right? Yank the SC off the supercoupe if you want to talk about gutless. Actually, leave it on.
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Post by: Shadow on October 18, 2011, 01:20:48 AM
oh f%&* my life.. i just spent 20 minutes typing a reply to what shame said and i hit the friggin 'clr' button on my phone :punchballs: :punchballs: :flame: :toilet: :shoothead: :bricks1:
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Post by: shame302 on October 18, 2011, 01:59:59 AM
X
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Post by: Shadow on October 18, 2011, 03:45:38 AM
my phone is a lot like a mod motor.. IT SUCKS lmao
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Post by: Coliosis on October 18, 2011, 05:05:54 AM
Cant blame human error on technology :p
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Post by: shame302 on October 18, 2011, 10:04:19 AM
Win
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Post by: Shadow on October 18, 2011, 02:59:27 PM
wasn't human error, it was a technology fail.. i hit it to erase the last 2 letters i typed and POOF, all gone >:( it's only supposed to delete 1 letter at a time..