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Title: cam opinions...
Post by: cougarman on July 19, 2011, 10:00:07 AM
88 Tbird, "P" motor aftermarket shorty headers dual exhaust, 3.55 gear w/aod, 77mm mass air, 24# injectors. E cam or Trick flow Stage  1 ?:hick:
Title: cam opinions...
Post by: mtgmike on July 19, 2011, 12:20:56 PM
tfs1, all day if thats your only choice.

Id check ptv REAL carefully.
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Post by: cougarman on July 19, 2011, 12:36:18 PM
Quote from: mtgmike;363659
tfs1, all day if thats your only choice.

Id check ptv REAL carefully.

Well those were the 2 I was thinking about, you have any other suggestions? Thanks.
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Post by: 86T-bird on July 19, 2011, 03:50:07 PM
Stock converter?  HO cam.
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Post by: cougarman on July 19, 2011, 08:54:32 PM
I'm gonna look into getting a converter, just have to decide on which one...lol.
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Post by: cougarman on July 20, 2011, 08:02:57 AM
Would a 2400 stall converter work for a daily driver?
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Post by: 86T-bird on July 20, 2011, 12:51:50 PM
I wouldn't be afraid of it.  Looser converters provide great thottle response.
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Post by: mtgmike on July 20, 2011, 05:57:19 PM
I just bought a Dirty Dog, I just didnt want to risk my trans with a B&M.

waiting on the aod to get finished for install.
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Post by: bullitt4514 on August 11, 2011, 03:27:56 AM
If you do a stall, and gear, just make sure to add an after market trans cooler!
I'm biased to the tfs stage 1 :D
[video=youtube;w9tgOV8opGQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9tgOV8opGQ[/video]
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Post by: cougarman on August 11, 2011, 08:11:59 AM
Nice sounding car!!!!  Thanks for the advice on the cooler, definitely leaning towards the TFS-1.
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Post by: vinnietbird on August 11, 2011, 08:43:21 AM
I've had the E-303 and now the TFS-1. I like the Trick Flow cam better. That video above sounds very similar to my engine. I also have the "P" engine. Make SURE you swap the valve springs. The Sport has tons of torque and can rev high when it wants to without breaking a sweat. Nice lopey idle, and still, decent gas mileage.
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Post by: cougarman on August 11, 2011, 08:53:51 AM
Quote from: vinnietbird;364970
I've had the E-303 and now the TFS-1. I like the Trick Flow cam better. That video above sounds very similar to my engine. I also have the "P" engine. Make SURE you swap the valve springs. The Sport has tons of torque and can rev high when it wants to without breaking a sweat. Nice lopey idle, and still, decent gas mileage.

Awesome!!
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Post by: thunderjet302 on August 11, 2011, 09:44:29 AM
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Would a 2400 stall converter work for a daily driver?

I'm running a 2800 stall non-lock up converter and I've got great throttle response. The guy who did my trans said it would be perfect for my car since it's heavier than a Mustang and he was right. The higher stall converters just feel a bit disconnected at speeds below their stall rating. It's a bit hard to describe but if you've driven a car with a higher stall converter you'll see what I mean.
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Post by: Kitz Kat on August 11, 2011, 02:50:16 PM
Just ask Vinnie! he try's everything at least once a week.lol
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Post by: hypostang on August 11, 2011, 02:51:22 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;364985
Just ask Vinnie! he try's everything at least once a week.lol
:rollin::rollin::rollin::rollin:
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Post by: Bruce M on August 11, 2011, 07:25:18 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;364985
Just ask Vinnie! he try's everything at least once a week.lol

Thats funny, Ive only had my car running for about a week and a half and Im already thinking about doing another set of heads and throwing a cam in it.
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Post by: vinnietbird on August 12, 2011, 08:24:27 AM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;364985
Just ask Vinnie! he try's everything at least once a week.lol

That's true. I did a lot of it with a little peer pressure from my friends.LOL. Worth it,though, and, without being pushed a little, I can say for certain, the Sport would not be where she is now.I'm very happy with the current setup. Now, all I need is to start sanding and filling and getting ready for a re-re-paint.
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Post by: 87merc on August 20, 2011, 12:43:53 AM
Tfs1 all the way. I had an E cam in my 89 gt and after I sold the chassis my friend tommy bought the motor and swapped the cam for a TFS1. The 93gt he has it in surely pulls harder than my gt and sounds much better. He seems to be very happy with it.
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Post by: flipnbird on August 24, 2011, 09:36:54 AM
Comp xe270 for the win!!
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Post by: thunderjet302 on August 24, 2011, 03:49:47 PM
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Comp xe270 for the win!!

 
+1

I'd also consider the cam I'm running, the Comp Magnum 266HR. It's got an operating range of 1200-5200 rpm and makes a bunch of low end torque, which is fun on the street. My AOD has a high rev governor that allows it to shift at 5300 rpm in full auto mode, so it basically shifts at the end of the cams power band. The XE 270HR would also be a good choice. It has a little more durration than the cam I'm running but less lift so you'll get more rpm out of it.
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Post by: vinnietbird on August 24, 2011, 05:49:20 PM
What's your budget?
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Post by: cougarman on August 25, 2011, 08:24:33 AM
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What's your budget?

Nonexistant....lol.
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Post by: vinnietbird on August 25, 2011, 04:52:33 PM
In that case, an E303 or TFS-1 cam (TFS-1 is my choice, I've had both).. I see them both pop up frequently for a really nice price on the Corral.
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Post by: TOM Renzo on August 25, 2011, 05:50:43 PM
TFS-1 specks

Valve Setting Intake: .000 in.
Valve Setting Exhaust: .000 in.
Advertised Duration (Degrees): 275 intake/279 exhaust
Duration at .050 in. Lift (Degrees): 221 intake/225 exhaust
Camshaft Lift: .312 in. intake/.319 in. exhaust
Valve Lift with 1.6 Rocker Arms: .499 in. intake/.510 in. exhaust
Lobe Separation (Degrees): 112
Intake Cam Timing at .050 in. Valve Lift:
Opens 3 degrees BTDC
Closes 38 degrees ABDC
Max lift: 108 degrees ATDC
Exhaust Cam Timing at .050 in. Valve Lift:
Opens 49 degrees BBDC
Closes 4 degrees BTDC
Max lift: 116 degrees BTDC
Firing Order: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Characteristics: Good idle, strong mid-range power. Aftermarket intake, heads, and headers recommended. Requires modified Mass Airflow sensor. Best with 9:1-10.5:1 compression ratio.
Valve Springs with 1.6 Rocker Arms: TFS-51400413
Valve Springs with 1.7 Rocker Arms: TFS-31400414

This is a nice mild cam for the street and it has a good torque band. Its a good cam for a sniffer state although it is a little high on HC. Basically a good choice for a DD,
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Post by: TOM Renzo on August 25, 2011, 06:10:38 PM
The E 303 is similar. But it is more lopy and may need a stall converter. I personally like both cams but they have to be installed and dialed in PROPERLY. You cant just throw them in and GO. Hope this is helpful

http://www.roushyatesparts.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/ford_racing_camshafts.pdf
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Post by: vinnietbird on August 25, 2011, 06:50:15 PM
My TFS-1 cam is more lopey than my E303 was. I like it a lot though. The car can really move, and if I want to, I can make the first two gears totally useless. I installed the cam and lined the timing chain dot to dot. No issues, plenty of power, and I love it.
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Post by: Haystack on August 25, 2011, 11:56:07 PM
Meh. Run the stock h.o. cam and save money. If you want it louder run bigger exhaust.

Also the advertised range is meaningless unless you have the exact same engine. Any smaller parts or worse flow will raise or lower where the power will actually come in.
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Post by: vinnietbird on August 26, 2011, 12:53:28 AM
The H.O cam is a really formidable cam. Run some 1.7 roller rockers and enjoy it. Great torque.
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Post by: bullitt4514 on August 28, 2011, 08:48:13 PM
If you use the TFS spring upgrade DO NOT use their valve seals, guaranteed to leak oil to the cylinders! Buy new ford seals! (ask me how I know) lol
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Post by: cougarman on August 28, 2011, 09:24:17 PM
Quote from: bullitt4514;366243
If you use the TFS spring upgrade DO NOT use their valve seals, guaranteed to leak oil to the cylinders! Buy new ford seals! (ask me how I know) lol

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.