Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: Bruce M on July 11, 2011, 07:57:18 PM
Post by: Bruce M on July 11, 2011, 07:57:18 PM
If you where to build an engine with no budgit, what would you do. Keep it Fox related (2.3, 3.8, 5.0, 5.8C or W swap, Mod swap, or 460).
After I get around to swapping in my HO, I'm going to start building the SO motor. The plan is is to take my time and cut no corners. I want this to be my dream engine, no budgit.
Parts list
Eagle 0 balance 331 stroker forged crank
Eagle H beams
Mahle 8.5-1 pistons
DSS main surpport
7q oilpan
double roller chain
World product windsor sr. heads or AFR 205s
custom blower cam
Comp magnum rockers
Ported explorer lower intake
Kenny Bell blower 9 psi
and so on.
Im hoping for 550-600 RWHP with a T56 viper spec or TCI six speed.
What would you do?
After I get around to swapping in my HO, I'm going to start building the SO motor. The plan is is to take my time and cut no corners. I want this to be my dream engine, no budgit.
Parts list
Eagle 0 balance 331 stroker forged crank
Eagle H beams
Mahle 8.5-1 pistons
DSS main surpport
7q oilpan
double roller chain
World product windsor sr. heads or AFR 205s
custom blower cam
Comp magnum rockers
Ported explorer lower intake
Kenny Bell blower 9 psi
and so on.
Im hoping for 550-600 RWHP with a T56 viper spec or TCI six speed.
What would you do?
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: vinnietbird on July 11, 2011, 11:03:18 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on July 11, 2011, 11:03:18 PM
Pro built 5.4 supercharged engine from a Shelby.
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: Clayton on July 11, 2011, 11:34:54 PM
Post by: Clayton on July 11, 2011, 11:34:54 PM
If I had NO budget... hmmm...
351W. bored and stroked to 427
afr 205'S OR Bigger.
custom grind cam
Weiand 8-71 with dual 600cfm demons
7 qt canton pan
all ARP studs
10-1 keith black pistons
moly file fit rings
Oil cooler
Methanol inj
granted... i'd never be able to drive it it sure would look sweet sitting in the corner though.
351W. bored and stroked to 427
afr 205'S OR Bigger.
custom grind cam
Weiand 8-71 with dual 600cfm demons
7 qt canton pan
all ARP studs
10-1 keith black pistons
moly file fit rings
Oil cooler
Methanol inj
granted... i'd never be able to drive it it sure would look sweet sitting in the corner though.
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: 5.0 tbird on July 12, 2011, 02:51:41 AM
Post by: 5.0 tbird on July 12, 2011, 02:51:41 AM
If money were no object.
FMS Boss 302 block
Eagle Competition forged 347 rotating assembly
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam
AFR 185 heads
Comp 1.6 RRs
Trick Flow EFI intake
BBK 90mm throttle body
JBA long tube headers
FMS Boss 302 block
Eagle Competition forged 347 rotating assembly
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam
AFR 185 heads
Comp 1.6 RRs
Trick Flow EFI intake
BBK 90mm throttle body
JBA long tube headers
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: Bruce M on July 12, 2011, 06:51:05 PM
Post by: Bruce M on July 12, 2011, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;363271
Pro built 5.4 supercharged engine from a Shelby.
I thought about a mod motor like the new 5.0 ($6500 from summit), but I want to build something that I feel comfortable working on. Some thing that wouldnt make me want to hurt someone.
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: fordguy545 on July 12, 2011, 09:46:52 PM
Post by: fordguy545 on July 12, 2011, 09:46:52 PM
Mine would be dependent on the car it would go in.
For my autox car, it would have to be a stroked 2.3(either 2.5 or tall deck 3.0
Fully ported esslinger arca head with full solid roller conversion
Boport 2.5 cam or custom grind
billet rods
and a turbo that could meet the rules for cp (52mm)
400-450whp
If its a build for my truck
take the 545 shortblock already in there and motorsport A460 heads, twin 1250 dominators and twin turbos. easy 1500hp
For my autox car, it would have to be a stroked 2.3(either 2.5 or tall deck 3.0
Fully ported esslinger arca head with full solid roller conversion
Boport 2.5 cam or custom grind
billet rods
and a turbo that could meet the rules for cp (52mm)
400-450whp
If its a build for my truck
take the 545 shortblock already in there and motorsport A460 heads, twin 1250 dominators and twin turbos. easy 1500hp
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: daminc on July 12, 2011, 10:16:46 PM
Post by: daminc on July 12, 2011, 10:16:46 PM
Mine is..... anything that will actually run after I get done touching it.
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: 86T-bird on July 13, 2011, 03:07:16 AM
Post by: 86T-bird on July 13, 2011, 03:07:16 AM
Quote from: Bruce M;363234
I'm going to start building the SO motor. The plan is is to take my time and cut no corners. I want this to be my dream engine, no budgit.
I'm hoping for 550-600 RWHP
I like your dream engine, I'm in the process of something similar (using a centrifical blower).
If I am reading your thread correctly, you intend to use the SO block? If so, take a look in the tech section for some pics I posted showing a comparison of a roller block vs an early Mexican block and then a later post with an aftermarket block.
At 550-600 RWHP adding a good block to the dream will help keep all those great pieces from becoming a nightmare. That is, if it becomes reality:D
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: 86T-bird on July 13, 2011, 03:09:52 AM
Post by: 86T-bird on July 13, 2011, 03:09:52 AM
Quote from: daminc;363329
Mine is..... anything that will actually run after I get done touching it.
Jerry, Great line! There are times when my stuff resembles that remark.
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: 50tbrd88 on July 13, 2011, 10:01:26 AM
Post by: 50tbrd88 on July 13, 2011, 10:01:26 AM
I always thought it would be cool to swap a Terminator Cobra driveline into my 'bird. I've been in love with the sound of those cars since they came out in '03. I would probably leave it fairly stock except for a pulley swap, full exhaust, and a good tune. That would be more than enough for me!
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: flylear45 on July 13, 2011, 10:26:47 AM
Post by: flylear45 on July 13, 2011, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: 86T-bird;363336
I like your dream engine, I'm in the process of something similar (using a centrifical blower).
If I am reading your thread correctly, you intend to use the SO block? If so, take a look in the tech section for some pics I posted showing a comparison of a roller block vs an early Mexican block and then a later post with an aftermarket block.
At 550-600 RWHP adding a good block to the dream will help keep all those great pieces from becoming a nightmare. That is, if it becomes reality:D
+1
Don't bother with that block at 400+ HP. It's a waste of money since it will kill your other parts when it goes boom.
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: lakenheath24 on July 13, 2011, 02:19:41 PM
Post by: lakenheath24 on July 13, 2011, 02:19:41 PM
No budget? A 427 SOHC in a 41 Willys pickup.
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: jangus on July 13, 2011, 04:08:57 PM
Post by: jangus on July 13, 2011, 04:08:57 PM
Ford:
2.3 based-
Tall deck block, around 2.8 litres after bore and stroke.
Volvo B234 head, ported, larger valves, reground cams, solid "lifter" conversion
Fabbed header
Borg Warner EFR series turbo
Non Ford:
Oldsmobile 425
Stock block/crank
Aftermarket rods (If I could find stock length 7.0" ones?)
Custom ground cam
Edelbrock Performer heads
Edelbrock Performer intake, converted to fuel injection w/1200 cfm TB
Two Borg Warner EFR series turbos
1967 Olds flat top wagon to put it in.
2.3 based-
Tall deck block, around 2.8 litres after bore and stroke.
Volvo B234 head, ported, larger valves, reground cams, solid "lifter" conversion
Fabbed header
Borg Warner EFR series turbo
Non Ford:
Oldsmobile 425
Stock block/crank
Aftermarket rods (If I could find stock length 7.0" ones?)
Custom ground cam
Edelbrock Performer heads
Edelbrock Performer intake, converted to fuel injection w/1200 cfm TB
Two Borg Warner EFR series turbos
1967 Olds flat top wagon to put it in.
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: Bruce M on July 13, 2011, 04:14:40 PM
Post by: Bruce M on July 13, 2011, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: flylear45;363355
+1
Don't bother with that block at 400+ HP. It's a waste of money since it will kill your other parts when it goes boom.
Quote from: 86T-bird;363336
I like your dream engine, I'm in the process of something similar (using a centrifical blower).
If I am reading your thread correctly, you intend to use the SO block? If so, take a look in the tech section for some pics I posted showing a comparison of a roller block vs an early Mexican block and then a later post with an aftermarket block.
At 550-600 RWHP adding a good block to the dream will help keep all those great pieces from becoming a nightmare. That is, if it becomes reality:D
I'd most likely go with the boss block but they make main and valley surpports that are surposed to stop block twist. But if you add up the cost of gridles and machine work it would be better to spend a little more to get the Boss block (it can be bored 4.125").
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: 347Thunder on July 13, 2011, 04:19:01 PM
Post by: 347Thunder on July 13, 2011, 04:19:01 PM
I would take a twin turbo, 5.0L coyote
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: 86T-bird on July 13, 2011, 05:42:22 PM
Post by: 86T-bird on July 13, 2011, 05:42:22 PM
Quote from: 347Thunder;363371
I would take a twin turbo, 5.0L coyote
That would get my attention.
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: gumby on July 13, 2011, 07:24:42 PM
Post by: gumby on July 13, 2011, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: 347Thunder;363371
I would take a twin turbo, 5.0L coyote
Quote from: 86T-bird;363377
That would get my attention.
If anything other than a lima were to ever reside under the hood of my car, the coyote is on the short list. I'd probly stick to a single snail however.
Currently my dream engine consists of one with 4 intact connecting rods....
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: Soul on July 14, 2011, 01:11:03 PM
Post by: Soul on July 14, 2011, 01:11:03 PM
4.6 or 5.4 with blower, I think the thing I would like most is a "clean motor" all the wiring, vacuum lines hidden. Something I could drive everyday and still abuse.
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 14, 2011, 06:49:25 PM
Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 14, 2011, 06:49:25 PM
My dream engine in a Fox car? You'll all think I'm retarded, but I'd love to drop a Duramax into a Mark VII. Money being no object it'd be built to the nuts (at least as far as it could be built without affecting durability too much). The rest of the car would be built up so that I could use it to reliably and safely haul a decent sized (24-foot-ish) camper trailer on a North American tour. I remember reading about a fairly stock Duramax engine powering a fox Mustang into the 10's and still getting ~35 MPG. Of course that's a non-Ford engine.
My dream Ford-into-Fox build would probably be something not too retarded, like an Ecoboost cranked up to ~400 horses...
My dream Ford-into-Fox build would probably be something not too retarded, like an Ecoboost cranked up to ~400 horses...
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: HAVI on July 14, 2011, 10:50:53 PM
Post by: HAVI on July 14, 2011, 10:50:53 PM
Infinitely slow, but I'm working on my dream motor:
Should be done by 2025.
Should be done by 2025.
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: SirChirpAlot on July 15, 2011, 09:38:16 AM
Post by: SirChirpAlot on July 15, 2011, 09:38:16 AM
Start off with Ford Aluminum Big Block going for 800 inch's of joy, John Kaase P heads, 2 T6 turbos and shove it in a pinto wagon
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: 347Thunder on July 15, 2011, 11:11:40 AM
Post by: 347Thunder on July 15, 2011, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;363449
My dream engine in a Fox car? You'll all think I'm retarded, but I'd love to drop a Duramax into a Mark VII. Money being no object it'd be built to the nuts (at least as far as it could be built without affecting durability too much). The rest of the car would be built up so that I could use it to reliably and safely haul a decent sized (24-foot-ish) camper trailer on a North American tour. I remember reading about a fairly stock Duramax engine powering a fox Mustang into the 10's and still getting ~35 MPG. Of course that's a non-Ford engine.
My dream Ford-into-Fox build would probably be something not too retarded, like an Ecoboost cranked up to ~400 horses...
can i borrow your dream?????
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: 1BadBird on July 15, 2011, 12:36:39 PM
Post by: 1BadBird on July 15, 2011, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: SirChirpAlot;363490
Start off with Ford Aluminum Big Block going for 800 inch's of joy, John Kaase P heads, 2 T6 turbos and shove it in a pinto wagon
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: Bruce M on July 15, 2011, 06:23:22 PM
Post by: Bruce M on July 15, 2011, 06:23:22 PM
Quote from: HAVI;363472
Infinitely slow, but I'm working on my dream motor:
Should be done by 2025.
Oh yeah!!!
Id love to have a 351C too. Trick Flow makes a EFI intake for them now and Hooker makes swap headers too. I think my dream engine just changed.
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: Carl on July 15, 2011, 09:36:44 PM
Post by: Carl on July 15, 2011, 09:36:44 PM
Here is the build I am actually going to do, but it's also me dream build. :)
Boport Pistons $549.00 or Stinger CP Pistons $580
http://www.bo-port.com/index.php?act...d&productId=26
http://www.stinger-performance.com/suspensionparts.html
Boport Head $1250.00 or Aluminum Borport Head $2950.00
http://www.bo-port.com/index.php?act...d&productId=72
http://www.bo-port.com/index.php?act...d&productId=58
Boport Stage 3 Ported Upper/Lower Intake Manifolds $425.00
http://www.bo-port.com/index.php?act...d&productId=13
Garrett GT35R Ball Bearing Turbo (600HP) $1342.95
http://www.frsport.com/Garrett-GT358...e_p_16163.html
Stinger PIMP ECU w/Tuner Studio $670.00
http://www.stinger-performance.com/universalparts.html
1000cc Injectors (640-700HP) $230.00
http://www.stinger-performance.com/universalparts.html
38mm External Wastegate $170.00
http://www.stinger-performance.com/universalparts.html
2.3 to SBF Bellhousing Adapter Plate $175.00
Aluminum Flywheel $335.00
http://www.stinger-performance.com/suspensionparts.html
Stage 3+ Clutch $435.00
http://www.stinger-performance.com/suspensionparts.html
Short Throw Shifter $75.00
http://www.stinger-performance.com/suspensionparts.html
Brembo Big Brake Kit $1500.00
Bullet Proof Edition T5 Transmission (600+HP) $1790.00
http://www.promotionpowertrain.com/TRANSMISSIONS.html
4.10 Moser Gears $190.00
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...sb-list-3.html
Snow Performance Stage 3 Water Methanol Injection $500.00
http://www.snowperformance.net
Summit Fuel Cell $104.95
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-290106/
Roll Cage $1500.00
Frozen Boost Water to Air Intercooler Kit (600HP) $299.99
http://www.frozenboost.com/product_i...764096411a5ea3
Full 3 Inch Custom Exhaust (header/downpipe/out) $1000.00
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________
Total Cost $14241.89
Boport Pistons $549.00 or Stinger CP Pistons $580
http://www.bo-port.com/index.php?act...d&productId=26
http://www.stinger-performance.com/suspensionparts.html
Boport Head $1250.00 or Aluminum Borport Head $2950.00
http://www.bo-port.com/index.php?act...d&productId=72
http://www.bo-port.com/index.php?act...d&productId=58
Boport Stage 3 Ported Upper/Lower Intake Manifolds $425.00
http://www.bo-port.com/index.php?act...d&productId=13
Garrett GT35R Ball Bearing Turbo (600HP) $1342.95
http://www.frsport.com/Garrett-GT358...e_p_16163.html
Stinger PIMP ECU w/Tuner Studio $670.00
http://www.stinger-performance.com/universalparts.html
1000cc Injectors (640-700HP) $230.00
http://www.stinger-performance.com/universalparts.html
38mm External Wastegate $170.00
http://www.stinger-performance.com/universalparts.html
2.3 to SBF Bellhousing Adapter Plate $175.00
Aluminum Flywheel $335.00
http://www.stinger-performance.com/suspensionparts.html
Stage 3+ Clutch $435.00
http://www.stinger-performance.com/suspensionparts.html
Short Throw Shifter $75.00
http://www.stinger-performance.com/suspensionparts.html
Brembo Big Brake Kit $1500.00
Bullet Proof Edition T5 Transmission (600+HP) $1790.00
http://www.promotionpowertrain.com/TRANSMISSIONS.html
4.10 Moser Gears $190.00
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...sb-list-3.html
Snow Performance Stage 3 Water Methanol Injection $500.00
http://www.snowperformance.net
Summit Fuel Cell $104.95
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-290106/
Roll Cage $1500.00
Frozen Boost Water to Air Intercooler Kit (600HP) $299.99
http://www.frozenboost.com/product_i...764096411a5ea3
Full 3 Inch Custom Exhaust (header/downpipe/out) $1000.00
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________
Total Cost $14241.89
Title: Dream engine build?
Post by: Bob on July 15, 2011, 11:19:36 PM
Post by: Bob on July 15, 2011, 11:19:36 PM
Quote from: HAVI;363472
Infinitely slow, but I'm working on my dream motor:
Should be done by 2025.
I know the feeling LOL