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Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 02, 2011, 11:30:22 AM
I think I need sticker tires as it appears that I have traction issues on launch ;). I did this over the weekend on a deserted road near my buddies house. Just a drag style launch (i.e. one foot over the brake, one over the gas, release the brake and floor the gas at the same time). Got up to 80 or so at the end of the video. I still think the car needs Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads and/or a Kenne Bell. My girlfriend thinks it's fast enough as is..... Yes I'm NOT power braking the car. It's chirping the 1-2 shift and fish tailing on launch. I've been telling you guys built AODs are fun. Expensive but fun:D.
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Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 02, 2011, 11:39:32 AM
I just noticed the camera falls back on the seat when I launched :mullet:.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: V8Demon on May 02, 2011, 01:02:54 PM
You've got quite bit of space between the top of your front fenders and tires.....Are your back springs sagging?

Also,  how's your rear suspension geometry?
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 02, 2011, 02:48:44 PM
As far as I can tell the rears aren't sagging. The springs and bushings in the rear are factory original while the shocks are new. I think the car looks like it sits higher because I have 225/55/16s on the Snowflakes instead of the 225/60/16s they came from the factory with. The car didn't seem to sit so high with the factory 14" wheels. My plan over the next year or so is to get a set of Mach 1 springs all around, box the rear control arms, and install poly bushings. I'm also looking at getting an 8.8 out of a cougar XR7 and fitting it with 3.73s, 31 spline axles, a Detroit True-Trac, and quad shocks. In addition when the 8.8 goes in so do battle boxes for the upper and lower control arms. Then I can run slicks and hopefully cure my traction issues;).

Quite frankly I don't think a GT40 5.0 should have enough power to do what my car does. I think it's able to burn the tires like that because the rear dances instead of putting the power to the ground, which is probably saving my 7.5 from certain death....
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: V8Demon on May 02, 2011, 04:33:11 PM
Pay attention to pinion angle and instant center location while getting all of this together.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: shame302 on May 02, 2011, 10:02:47 PM
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Quite frankly I don't think a GT40 5.0 should have enough power to do what my car does
LOL oh boy. Start by sticking a decent quality wider tire under there. Even a 245 or 255 might help if they will fit. Can't really expect such a skinny passenger car tire to hook. Mid 14 second cars dont really need all the flair of drag tires and built rear ends but it's your money. Its really not spinning all that hard. I can hear its at the edge of traction. What are you going to do when you start building power with it?
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 02, 2011, 11:53:02 PM
I'm doing the rear axle upgrade/rear suspension upgrade so when I add more power the car will be able to get it to the ground. I figure it's better to upgrade the rear end and suspension before I go adding a bunch of power. Plans after the rear upgrade include Twisted Wedge heads and a supercharger, more than likely a Kenne Bell. It'll need the 8.8 and battle boxes to keep the rear together.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: shame302 on May 03, 2011, 06:10:58 PM
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I'm doing the rear axle upgrade/rear suspension upgrade so when I add more power the car will be able to get it to the ground. I figure it's better to upgrade the rear end and suspension before I go adding a bunch of power. Plans after the rear upgrade include Twisted Wedge heads and a supercharger, more than likely a Kenne Bell. It'll need the 8.8 and battle boxes to keep the rear together.

I don't think that's what your intention was with this thread. This is a "look at me" thread. The reality is, It's a mid 14 second car. If you think you have traction issues now i can't imagine you're going to be too happy down the road if you ever do build any power with it.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: Bruce M on May 03, 2011, 06:50:35 PM
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I don't think that's what your intention was with this thread. This is a "look at me" thread. The reality is, It's a mid 14 second car. If you think you have traction issues now i can't imagine you're going to be too happy down the road if you ever do build any power with it.


OK? Tell us what you really think.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: hypostang on May 03, 2011, 07:57:17 PM
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I don't think that's what your intention was with this thread. This is a "look at me" thread. The reality is, It's a mid 14 second car. If you think you have traction issues now i can't imagine you're going to be too happy down the road if you ever do build any power with it.

 
I'm thinking this too ,,, no offense  meant of course ..... Cuz I like to watch:hick:
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 04, 2011, 04:58:58 PM
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I don't think that's what your intention was with this thread. This is a "look at me" thread. The reality is, It's a mid 14 second car. If you think you have traction issues now i can't imagine you're going to be too happy down the road if you ever do build any power with it.

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OK? Tell us what you really think.

Christ guys don't start a g match:mullet:.

I wanted to show you guys what the car does and how a built AOD runs. It's not like I can have all you guys over and give each of you a ride so I did the next best thing. I'm sorry if I came off a bit showy.

I know the car is not that fast. I really do. Every time I go to the track I'm the slowest car there. Everyone else runs high 12s at the least. Most cars run mid 11s-mid 12s. I'll work on making some real power after I get the suspension sorted out.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: vinnietbird on May 04, 2011, 05:25:56 PM
I have no traction either. The Sport will make the rear tires scream for mercy. I will, after the re-re-paint job and seats are done, get a set of drag radials and see how well she'll hook. Still fun though.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: Bruce M on May 04, 2011, 05:26:53 PM
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Christ guys don't start a g match:mullet:.

I wanted to show you guys what the car does and how a built AOD runs. It's not like I can have all you guys over and give each of you a ride so I did the next best thing. I'm sorry if I came off a bit showy.

I know the car is not that fast. I really do. Every time I go to the track I'm the slowest car there. Everyone else runs high 12s at the least. Most cars run mid 11s-mid 12s. I'll work on making some real power after I get the suspension sorted out.

 
Im not starting a pissng contest, I just thought his comment was alittle harsh. I for one think you're doing the right thing. You should build the car to handle the planned HP. You can put a ton of horsepower in our cars but if the car cant handle the power than it not going to run for shiznit and you're going to break stuff. Build the car how you want to.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: fluke on May 04, 2011, 05:27:37 PM
I'd be lucky if my car is ever was a 14 second car I think lol. I enjoy it, that's all that matters. I just want it too look pretty again this summer. :hick:
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: shame302 on May 04, 2011, 05:43:06 PM
I dunno. When you guys say chit like this it just makes me snicker.

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I have no traction either. The Sport will make the rear tires scream for mercy.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: vinnietbird on May 04, 2011, 05:48:20 PM
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I dunno. When you guys say chit like this it just makes me snicker.

It makes me laugh when the tires are roasting.

Also, when people say "chit" and "snicker", I also find that amusing.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: shame302 on May 04, 2011, 05:53:54 PM
Post up when you can roast 'em between 40 and 60 on demand.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: Bruce M on May 04, 2011, 06:00:29 PM
:mullet:
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: vinnietbird on May 04, 2011, 06:02:30 PM
The Sport can break the tires loose at 40. No, not 60. Who are you pi$$ed at? you're acting like an ass. You probably have the most righteous ride here, and I'm sure there's no car that could dust yours around. Whatever you think you have there's always someone that has something better. Chill, step off the soap box, and join in with the group.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: shame302 on May 04, 2011, 06:15:37 PM
Nope. My car is maybe average. It's just quick enough to be fun. I enjoy it though and that's what it's all about. Am I pushing some buttons? Perhaps. Seems to me TJ302 likes to be the one upper and it rubs me the wrong way i guess. I think he needs to get over himself sometimes. Granted its i nice, clean shiny car.

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The Sport can break the tires loose at 40.

Sweet. You too should post up a vid to "show us all what it will do".:hick:

I'll try to use more emoticons too seem less threatening.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: vinnietbird on May 04, 2011, 06:18:47 PM
We still have the love.. We've been here too long to get really "personal". It's all good. I wish my Sport was as clean as Thunderjet's. I use it as a daily driver though. As soon as I can get a video camera, or one that will just take any video, I'll post one.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: ZondaC12 on May 04, 2011, 07:22:20 PM
The biggest problem with this whole discussion I see is of course, relativity. Like...well a lot of things. What are we comparing to? The "street machine" world? In that case, yea Lou's car, my car, anyone on here with a GT40 motor or thereabouts is nothing to brag about. My silver car hit 60 mph in 4.9 seconds according to my G-Tech. That was with spin and hitting the limiter because 1st went by too fast. The thing seemed to give me 2 tenths too kind compared to LVD's time board, so we'll say that makes up for the inaccuracy. Should be good for a 13 to 13.2 1/4 mile if I can drive the  thing right. That's....okay in the street world. If you're not in the 11s you're not "fast". In THIS realm? That's brutal fast. When stock is 150 horsepower....300 being DOUBLE that...kind of a big deal.

As for some real advice..Lou...dude I'd leave the thing. Maybe the better heads for a mild gain just for that little extra kick, but if you go throwing a  500 liter KENNNEEEEE BELLLL on it (hehe), and then decide to throw a ton of money to make that thing hook...you're gonna snap something. You gotta bump up the injectors, fuel pump (dont know if you did that already), etc.  Still have the 7.5 axle? I feel like you'll snap/twist axles or something when it hits 2nd. No expert here but still. Also might be enough to need subframe connectors? I feel like it doesn't take much torque to start yanking these bodies around.

Im glad to see you trying to spread the message of how good an AOD can be. I think a lot of us on here realize they are not actually garbage if done right. A lot of people out there don't know however. You need to ask yourself exactly what you want that car to be. Don't make it enjoyable only under certain cirspoogestances. I know it rarely comes out, I dunno where/how you drive it/for what length/highway/city/winding country roads/whatever. And I'm sure you are conscious of this concept but always worth mentioning IMO, we all overlook things like that.
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: shame302 on May 04, 2011, 08:06:56 PM
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As soon as I can get a video camera, or one that will just take any video, I'll post one.
Okay bit i wanna see/hear tires screaming for mercy. Not simply "breaking traction" hehe.

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The biggest problem with this whole discussion I  see is of course, relativity. Like...well a lot of things. What are we  comparing to? The "street machine" world? In that case, yea Lou's car,  my car, anyone on here with a GT40 motor or thereabouts is nothing to  brag about. My silver car hit 60 mph in 4.9 seconds according to my  G-Tech. That was with spin and hitting the limiter because 1st went by  too fast. The thing seemed to give me 2 tenths too kind compared to  LVD's time board, so we'll say that makes up for the inaccuracy. Should  be good for a 13 to 13.2 1/4 mile if I can drive the  thing right.  That's....okay in the street world. If you're not in the 11s you're not  "fast". In THIS realm? That's brutal fast. When stock is 150  horsepower....300 being DOUBLE that...kind of a big deal.
Kind of i suppose if you want to look at it that way.

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As for  some real advice..Lou...dude I'd leave the thing. Maybe the better heads  for a mild gain just for that little extra kick, but if you go throwing  a  500 liter KENNNEEEEE BELLLL on it (hehe), and then decide to  throw a ton of money to make that thing hook...you're gonna snap  something. You gotta bump up the injectors, fuel pump (dont know if you  did that already), etc.  Still have the 7.5 axle? I feel like you'll  snap/twist axles or something when it hits 2nd. No expert here but  still. Also might be enough to need subframe connectors? I feel like it  doesn't take much torque to start yanking these bodies around.
Nah. Stock fresh 8.8 will be fine in either case. 150 HP. 350 HP. Doesn't matter on the street/without any real traction. If he plans on drag racing the thing at the strip or running DRs or slicks all the time then yeah, snapped axle central with 350+HP and track abuse. The auto is going to be easier on them than a stick car and a true drag tire will be easier on them than the DR.

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Im  glad to see you trying to spread the message of how good an AOD can be.  I think a lot of us on here realize they are not actually garbage if  done right. A lot of people out there don't know however. You need to  ask yourself exactly what you want that car to be. Don't make it  enjoyable only under certain cirspoogestances. I know it rarely comes out, I  dunno where/how you drive it/for what length/highway/city/winding  country roads/whatever. And I'm sure you are conscious of this concept  but always worth mentioning IMO, we all overlook things like  that.
Yeah. Autos can be a ton of fun. If i were to buy a new 2011 up mustang it would definitely be an auto. When i re-built my aod in my 88 years ago (Beauman shift kit, clutch kit,TC etc....) i loved it. I enjoyed the man pedal swap in the fox much more though. Ditto for the current SN95
Title: So I may have traction issues
Post by: ZondaC12 on May 04, 2011, 10:51:46 PM
Tell ya what if nothing else I'm happy to see a video of a hot rod being driven as it should be, and raising hell not just pampered and LOOKED at. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em :hick: