The dealer I bought my Focus from is selling my old 95 T-bird LX. It looks great in the pictures, till you look at it in person and see the rotted out door bottoms. I wonder if they fixed the timing cover and motor mounts. The best part is they want $3995 for it. I got $1500 for it as a trade:hick:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=295044513&dealer_id=84103&car_year=1995&doors=&systime=&model=TBIRD&search_lang=en&start_year=1981&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=both&distance=50&min_price=&drive=&rdm=1298604584896&marketZipError=false&advanced=&fuel=&keywords_display=&sownerid=565083&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=1997&showZipError=y&make2=&certified=&engine=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&transmission=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&max_mileage=&address=60638&color=&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=&awsp=false&make=FORD&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=9&standard=false
Is that all? Just the door bottoms? I thought it had a lot more rust issues. Or at least that's how you whined anyway :hick: I was trying to find some rusty POS back when I was looking for a DD. Figured then it's already unsavable, no worries if it rots away in the winter. Couldn't find anything like that, CL had one with a slightly damaged body but too many mechanical worries....and then the almost perfect one for $900, which I got LOL.
The door bottoms are bad. The passenger door bottom between the door skin and frame is gone. When you shut the passenger door the bottom flaps:hick:. Oh and the rocker panels from the rear of the door to the wheel well are made of aluminum, fiberglass filler, and bondo. I know this because I made them;). Also I had to, uh, make the lower front edge of the driver's side door from aluminum and bondo because it rusted away. Yeah it has rust issues that are hidden by the pictures. In reality both doors and both rocker panels need to be replaced.
Those cars seem to be more pr0ne to rust than fox's. My bro has a 96 T-bird and the quarters in front of the rear tires are very rusty along with the rockers.
Mine isn't rusty at all....
That's kinda funny but at least they are reselling it. I went in to the dealership to look at F-150's last night and offered them my 96 as a trade and later on got talking about it and told me straight up that its only worth about 200 bucks at auction value:punchballs: I think I'll keep it lol
I'd offer them $500 for it
did you put the cupholders in it
Are you trying to rub in that you live in Florida? lol...
Yep. Pulled em out of a 97 T-bird. You also need the rear heater ductwork to make them fit.
Screw you and your lack of road salt :flip:.
Wow, I only gave $2200 for my '97 w/95,some odd thousand miles
I'll get some hatred for this, but it's all good.
I've driven several MN12 cars, and with the exception of a friend's '96 Cougar V8, all felt like the pieces of shiznit that they are/were/ever will be...
Sure, a Fox V6 is nothing much for comparison's sake, but at least they had a little more to offer in the styling department. I hate the slack Taurus-feel of the MN12 steering, and there's also the previously mentioned cancer concern.
The '97 Birds had the best styling, IMO, of the 89+ cars, and the supercoupe, while technically a marvel, looks as if some 19 year old Honda Civic reject kid took over.
But hey, there's one thing positive about the later Birds: at least they make my '88 cars look that much better. :hick::flip::rollin:
If I could find a nice, clean, cancer free '97 Bird that I could afford as a daily ride, yeah, I'd take it. But only a '97.
you know a 96 is the exact same thing as a 97 except with more standard equipment on the 96 right? and as far as styling, NOTHING beats a 94-97 interior. I mean NOTHING.
Oh no I wasn't trying to rub in FL. The car came from PA originally....
I still like the Fox's better, as I still have mine ;).
oh no doubt the fox is more fun:D
I've owned both, and the this debate has been covered in many, many threads over the past 10 years.
After owning three Fox Cougars and one MN12, I can say that my MN12 is by far the most reliable of the four. I've put 60,000 very hard miles on this car and she's never laid down on me. The interior still looks great (even the dash and center console) and the paint is still deep and reflective. Of course, I take far better care of my paint than most people, but it's still a 15-year-old paint job.
Rust, yeah... that's an issue. My rockers are starting to go south, and I'm trying like hell to cease the growth on the bottom door skins. Outside of that, the frame and floor pans look nearly new. Figure that one out.
There are several people here who have had tremendously bad experiences with the MN12 vehicles (enter Carm), but my car must have been built on a day when morale was high at that assembly line in Lorain, OH. It doesn't squeak or rattle, it has no electronic glitches, and the panel gaps are dead-on; this is all after 110,000 hard miles, mind you. Original engine and transmission. I've been very happy with my MN12, even if the interior is too wide and it's difficult to work on.
Come to think of it though, the only place with rust on my cougar, which was a NY car for 12 years, is on the edges of the windshield, ans some tiny spot I noticed yesterday but forgot where it was already....
The MN-12s are nice cars. They are just not as nice as the Fox cars are, at least to me. The suspension on mine drove me nuts as at 71,000 miles I had to replace all the ball joints and sway bar bushings. Apparently this is not an uncommon occurrence with the MN-12s.
Everyone should just get one (or more) of each!