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I was just looking at this (http://"http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/autos/1011/gallery.hagerty_future_collectible_cars/index.html") article on CNN Money, and it got me thinking about future collectible cars. This is not a post about our beloved 80's foxes, which we all hope will some day become collectible (while at the same time we hope they don't, so they'll stay affordable). This is about new, or relatively new cars that will some day command top dollar at auctions like B-J.

The thing that got me thinking about this is that the CNN article tends to go for higher end or more obscure cars. I disagree with this. I think that the collectible cars of the future will be the boring, see-em-on-every-street-corner cars of today. My reasoning is this:

People tend to get nostalgic about their youth. When they get old they tend to miss the things they had or were exposed to in their youth, and they will pay top dollar to obtain those things. The toys I played with in the early 80's are now worth big dollars on eBay.  Vintage electronics, such as arcade games, pinball games, old tube-type radios, etc all sell well. Seeing, holding, and interacting with these things invokes those three magic words in most of us that cause us to reach for our wallets: "I remember when".

This applies to cars as well, probably more so than any other item because cars evoke a lot of emotion. And those emotions are stronger for cars we actually related to in our youths than they are for cars that we only read about in magazines or saw on posters. We get more passionate about the cars we saw, drove, worked on, had adventures in, got our first nookie in, and so on. There will always be a market for cars that we wanted but couldn't afford, but I think the real meat and potatoes of the future collectibles market will be the, um, meat and potatoes cars.

History actually backs me up on this. Occasionally you'l hear about a Lotus, Shelby or Ferarri taking in millions of dollars at auctions, but the vast amount of money that changes hands for collectible cars is for vehicles that were ubiquitous in their day. The Mustangs, the Camaros, the Challengers, the Impalas, the Belvederes, the Torinos and Galaxies... all of these cars were cheap and plentiful when new and are now commanding big bucks. This applies even to lowly economy cars as well. Darts, Novas, Falcons, etc all bring fairly high prices, and even the 70's cars that nobody liked are starting to get some attention. When's the last time you saw a Pinto, or a Vega, or a Gremlin, or a Volare in really, really good shape? And how much were these cars going for (if they were even for sale)? They're starting to bring high prices because they're starting to evoke those three little words, "I remember when".

So, what cars do I forsee becoming the collectibles of the future? Certainly not any $80k BMW's, Lexuses (lexii?), etc. No, here's what I see as the future of then collectible car market:

Near term: The cars of the late 70's and 80's are going to start coming into their own. In addition to the expected Fox Mustangs, 3rd gen F-bodies, G-bodies, and yes, even our beloved Thundercats, you're going to start seeing fully restored (or even better, low mile survivor) vehicles you never thought you'd ever see at a car show, including:

The Chevette. Yeah, I know, they suck. They were slow, crude, rustbuckets that fell apart as fast as you put them together. But their drivetrains were dead reliable, they were cheap, and there is hardly a 30-something alive who did not have a hell of a lot of fun in one. A two-door 4-or-5-speed model preferably.

Dodge Omni/024. For all the same reasons as the Chevette, but was also available as the GLH. The pointy, sportier ones (Charger, Rampage) will be more desirable than the base 4-door ones, but there will still be plenty of folks out their who remember their little 4-door pigpen with fondness.

Volkswagen Rabbit/Golf/Scirroco/GTI. Yes, an import. A very popular import, with a very loyal following. Don't be surprised when you see a perfectly restored rabbit at your local show. And don't be surprised by the crowd of people around it.

GM B-body (Caprice, Lesabre, Eighty-Eight, Parisienne) and Ford Panther (Crown Vic, Grand Marquis, Town Car). Scores of us in our late 30's borrowed our parents' boat and went trolling for bootie. Those huge back seats helped out in the scoring dept. Look for a rare two-door model.

Ford Fox variants (Fairmont, Zephyr, LTD, Marquis, Continental, etc)  - same reasons as above, but with the added benefit of sharing most chassis with Mustang, which makes them receptive to modifications. And of course the GM A-bodies (Malibu, etc)

The shiznitboxes: Ford Tempaz, GM J-bodies, Chrysler K-cars. For the same reasons as the Chevettes. Two-door manuals preferred, and if you can find a V6 or turbo 4 model all the better.

Mid term: The cars of the 90's should start showing up at shows 15 years or so down the road. Today's 20-somethings will be feeling nostalgic for them in future when most are rsuted away.

The imports. Yes, the imports will really start to gain attention in the mid-term collector market as those "I remember when" memories begin to include riced up Honda Civics, Integras, Eclipses and the like. When they're mostly gone to the s heap these people will start to miss them, and they'll be restoring examples they can find. I suspect you'll see some full on F&F restomods, but don't be surprised to see some bone stock restos as well.

The SUV's. The 90's was the decade they became popular, and down the road today's youth will remember learning to drive in them. Christ, I'm in my late 30's and there are already two SUV's I'd love to own, albeit both are already "vintage": a 1978 Ramcharger and a 1987 Pathfinder. Just like you see fully restored first gen broncos and K-5 blazers going for big bucks now, don't be surprised to see restored Explorers, Blazers, Pathfinders and 4Runners in future shows.

The return of muscle: SN95's and 4-gen F-bodies should go without saying. Perhaps more unexpectedly though, will be the Lumina (Z34's), the Taurus (SHO's), the MN12's (V8 and supercharged V6), and the GM alphabet soup of cars with the supercharged 3800. Don't be shocked to see a V6 Contour or Mystique hiding at a show or two, too. And try not to have a stroke when you see a mint, fully restored V6 Accord Coupe.

Long Term: This would be the cars of today. And anything you may have heard about the 60's being the golden age of muscle, forget it. The golden age of muscle is right now, and just like the 60's it is living on borrowed time thanks to political, social, and environmental pressures. It's hard to even imagine what cars from today will be desirable tomorrow, not because the cars are all bad, but because they're all so ed good. High performance cars like the Mustang, Camaro and Challenger are all givens, but even some mundane vehicles such as the Taurus (especially SHO), Accord (especially in V6, 6-speed coupe form, a rare combo from any manufacturer), Malibu, the new Regal, the Mazda 3 and 6... the list could go on forever. There are some standouts, though, mainly because of their uniqueness.

The Chrysler LX cars (300/Charger/Challenger/Magnum). Full size, RWD, and with a big honking Hemi available across the lineup. The perfect antidote to those boring FWD appliances being offered by everyone else (and those appliances are not so boring themselves!). The Hemi models will of course be most desirable, but there will always be room for lesser models, just like we now see 6-cylinder 60's Mustangs getting big bucks at sales - not as much as V8 models, but big bucks just the same. I own a 300. My personal pick as future collectible versions: Any SRT-8 model of course, but after those, a nice hemi Magnum wagon. Because I think people will look back on them and say "Shoulda had one when I had the chance".

The Hyundai Genesis sedan AND coupe. Both are terrific bargains, offering lots of car for the money. Desirable now, desirable down the road.

The Chevy SS cars: Cobalt, HHR, Impala. The Mazdaspeed cars: 3 and 6. Stupid powerful engines wrapped in mediocre bodies generally driven by idiots that don't even know what they have. Just like in the 60's.

And of course, your run-of-the-mill Fusions, Mazda 6's, Accords, Camries, Malibus, etc.

Of course with any particular car from any particular era the top end models will usually be more desirable (people will want an SHO over a base Taurus, a TC over a base T-Bird, a GT over a base Mustang, etc), but just like nowadays the high end models will trickle some glory down over their lesser bretheren. Hemi Cudas are worth millions, but few would kick a 383 Cuda out of bed for eating crackers.

I knwo many of you will think I'm crazy for including such things as Accords and K-cars. Hey, back in 1957 nobody ever thought that shiny new Bel Air would be worth anything either...

So if you've lasted this long, what are your thoughts, and what do you see as future collectibles?

Very good points for the most part.  Its hard to believe that a Honda will maybe someday be drooled on at a car show, but I agree it will probably happen.

I do disagree a little on the cars that will be collectable from the 80's.  I don't know man...I can't see a Chevette or an Olds 88 ever being a collector car.  A conversation piece?  Maybe.  I think the 80's cars that will bring big dough in the future and are already collectible will be: 442 Cutlass, SS Monte Carlos, and of course the GN's.  Iroc-Z Camaro's, Fox body Mustangs, Turbo Coupe's, etc.

I think a lot of the cars that go for high dollar at Barrett-Jackson were dream cars for guys who were either too young or didn't have the money to buy one back in the day.  Sure a lot of them owned one back in the day, but a lot of guys had to settle for a Malibu instead of a Chevelle SS or a Falcon instead of a Mustang.  Now many of those guys are successful, retired, and reminiscent of their youth.  That's why a SS396 Chevelle will always bring more money than say a 4 dr. Impala.

And not to totally disagree with you, but the golden age of muscle was the 60's and early 70's.  Trust me...if I drive my S197 Mustang, sure I get a few stares...but drive the '72 Chevelle and people darn near chase you down to get a look or tell you "sweet car".  I think that the cars of today are awesome and will always be remembered as new edge muscle or something, but they just will never have the "soul" of the original muscle cars.

my god my eyes hurt after reading all this.. but i agree with the post above.. the chevette and olds 88 type cars are just junk now and probably always will be.. they are just cheap 'economy cars' and most people will always see it that way. look at all the cars from the 60's and 70's that still aren't worth shiznit.. yes, your performance model cars will definitely rise from the ashes and become collectors (example: GTP, SS, SC, stang GT/cobra, TC, sport, etc). but your base model cars and front wheel drive, 80's grandmom cars will more than likely never see any real value except on the scale at the s yard. the only base cars i can see ever having real value are your V8 cars.. i'm sorry V6 guys, but i just don't see any 3.8 powered fox being worth anything compared to the TC, Sport and 5.0 base cars.. same goes for 4 cylinder non-turbo mustangs i'm afraid.. but we all know, sooner or later, 90% of them will have smallblocks anyway lol

What about quality with the memories? The late 70's and early 80's SUCKED when it came to reliability. Who's going to want to relive those memories?

:laughing: so true

I think you may be missing part of the point here. It's not necessarily the motors the cars came with, but the actual cars themselves. People who will "potentially" buy these cars in the future are most likely not going to beef them up. 20 years from now if someone buys a 3.8 CFI Cougar I'm sure the last thing on their mind will be dropping a 5.0 in it. Yes, the cars that made more power will always be the more desirable cars, but there's always the person who, as a kid, took Dad's 3.8 Cougar out for joyrides and longs to find another.

The January edition of PHR (Popular Hot Rodding) has an article on this very topic, very interesting read........

I'll give you a perfect example of somebody going out of their way to preserve what many would consider to be a turd: Eric and his CFI V6 '84 Cougar.

As for economy cars: The original VW Beetles and Corvairs were the shiznit box econoturds of their day (as were the Falcon, Nova, Valiant, etc) and they are being restored/loved now. Believe me, you WILL see people polishing up their lovingly restored Chevettes, Omnis, etc. And you WILL see people looking at them at car shows. These were many peoples' first cars, or the cars they traveled across the country in with their families, or the cars their fathers polished and shined every day until he fell ill. And though you can never have another first car you can certainly try to revive those memories by getting a similar model.

50tbird88: The only reason people stare at your '72 Chevelle is that it's old. In 1972 it was no more special than a V6 Malibu is now. In 2050, when everyone's driving Apple iCars (or just riding them while they drive themselves), people will look at a 40-year-old 2010 Accord Coupe the same way they look at your Chevelle now.

20thanniver-ls got my point: It's not the engines in the cars, its the cars themselves. And to take that a bit further, it's not the cars themselves, but the memories they represent. It doesn't matter if the car you had so much irresponsible fun in was a Mustang II, a Monte SS, a fox T-Bird or a Chevette, when you see one of those cars it brings you back to those fun times. If your buddy had a $200 K-car that you remember tearing around town and raising hell in, you'll always have fond memories of K-cars. And that, to me, is what makes a car desirable.

my point was, the cars that wore special badges and came with a V8 or a factory power adder will be the collectors.. do you see any high-dollar 6cyl chevelles? no, they're worth a quarter what the SS396 and 454 cars are, if that. in my life-long hunt for a 66-67 chevelle SS project, i've seen UNRESTORED SS's and even base model V8 chevelles go for the price of a restored inline 6 car. why? no one wants the V6 cars. the SC's only saving grace is that glorious charger mounted to the top of the intake, same goes for the GTP and the TC.. which leads to a very good statement.. THANK GOD ford didn't offer an N/A 4cyl tbird, that would just be a disgrace.. if they have, i understand why i've never seen or heard of 1 lol

Obviously the high performance versions of cars will be worth more, but the run-of-the-mill versions will still be worth something. 60's 6-cyl Mustangs aren't worth as much as 289 models, but they're still valuable. An SS396 Chevelle would be worth more than a 327 or 350-powered one, but the lesser car is still worth something. And some day the TC will be worth more than V6 and V8 T-Birds, but V6 and V8 T-Birds will still be worth something. And let's face it. For every SS396 or SS454 Chevelle you see at a show you see a half dozen with a 350 or 327. And the beauty is that you can take the base model and make it into an SS PLUS do some upgrades to it to make it even better than a real SS without feeling guilty.

i never feel guilt for molesting a specialty badged car.. like a capri RS LOL ;)

I agree with the OP to a certain extent.  Yeah these cars will have some value one day.  You will also see them in shows at some point in the future.  The problem is the "following" for the cars.  Nobody gives a tinshiznit about a standard econobox omni, charger, chevette, 4 banger stang, etc.  There were too many produced and they were disposable cars.  The cars that will bring big $$$ are original unmolested cars.  Its just a sad fact of life.  Most average joes dont realize that the fox chassis cars are more than stangs.  They forget that if it wasnt for the 78 Fairmount there would have been no 03/04 Terminator.  The point im getting at is, yes, someday the 80's cars will be collectable.  Just not $$$ cars.

Yep. It's a polished turd though, and it's allllllll mine. ;)

Guess I'll chime in while I'm here...

I have experience with both sides (stock vs. custom). While I'm still an advocate for customization and always will be...stop and take a look around. These cars are all but gone now. The parts supply is drying up big time; yards are crushing the cars for s money, taking out our best chance at restoration parts. Nobody is really making any significant parts that we need. And rust continues to claim car after car.

I'm lucky...I have both a highly stock and highly modified car. It's easy for me to talk. But for everyone else...think long and hard before doing something that you may regret later. Finding a stock car in mint shape is tough and will continue to be tough for a long time. That won't ever change now. Our heyday is over, our great run of parts supply is gone, and NOS is a game that few want to play. Pick your poison.

i dont believe people of the day are going to be collecting 80s cars of their youth for themselves, more likely they will collect them just to resell them over and over to eachother like the collector cars of today are.
the day people start trading chevettes on barret jackson like hemicudas is the day i go buy a gun, to shoot myself with.
i love 80s cars and would love to own them all but im counting on society not lasting long enough for them to be collectible.

I hate to disagree...but I am going to anyway.  lol, this is an interesting thread.  In my opinon, Detroit was kicking out some timeless and awesome designs in the late 60's.  No Honda anything will ever have the curb appeal of the original muscle cars.  Sure there will always be Honda fanboys or Chevette fanboys or whatever who will drool over their rice rockets or econopods..but the muscle car era will always be the high point of American automobile history, IMO.  That is why the 'retro' movement is so strong...the original reciepe was just that good.  lol. 

I'll say it again, the 'soul' just isn't there on these newer cars.  As much as I enjoy driving it, I've considered selling my S197 Mustang and so I could try to find a nice '69 Chevelle with a 4 spd for that reason.  Its just hard to explain...

It depends on what you mean by valuable I guess. I think average cars like a Chevette or Escort will be more valuable than they currently are, but only a small fraction of the more desirable cars.

A current example:

An average car, a 1972 Ford Torino 4 door with a 302 is worth ~$4000 with very low miles and great condition. Basically a time capsule.

I could see a similar car such as a Fox LTD (Non LX) going for that money when it's 38 years old AEHC.

That statement is rather ethnocentric.....

(http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/02/JNCCorolla_resized.jpg)

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/12/07/2009-puppiesanese-classic-car-show/




If I had t do it again I'd have taken the drivetrain and suspension from my car and put those parts in a better example (and willingly paid the asking price if it was a rust free car that needed no body work at all) -- and my car was in much better shape than 95% of the ones that are left floating around....



...and they've kicked out a lot of great looking designs since.  So have other countries as well.  I believe a major difference today is the inability to separate options the way it used to be done.  THings are bundled together as packages as far as vehicle options are concerned nowadays......

Gone is the era where you could order a one of one car through the dealer's normal channels....

I've said it before, and I'll say it again....  Look for a first generation Honda Accord.

Or a 70's Civic.

I have seen cars like older chevettes and pintos go for a few thousand. I wasn't around when they were made, but its probably close to what the cost new. I don't think thats bad for a 30 year old car. the volkswagon beetle is now going for $6-7,000, for a non-baja in my area as well. I don't know about the omni, I'm not sure I have seen more then one. Other then that, I think many "square" and "economy" cars will be worth a pretty penny by the time I hit 40.

Add to the list any stock, unmodified CRX Si.
These are very difficult to find even now.

To be honest, I didn't even know they made Civics back that far.  lol.

Well, we were on the subject of cars of the late 70's and 80's were we not?

Huh???  All I meant was that I personally didn't know they made Civics back then.  I thought they came out in the 80's.  I'm not saying he's wrong at all, I just don't really follow puppiesanese cars or know much about them.  Not a fan of them.

No biggie, I don't follow Korean cars. To each his own. ;)

I think Carmen is spot on for his reasoning that something like a Chevette can have a chance at being a future collectable simply for nostalgic reasons. My first car was a 1982 Escort, the base model with no options. By today’s standards, it is slow and noisy and would probably be straining to keep up with the 75mph highway traffic of today with its 69 hp and 4-speed transaxle.
Do I ever want to have another one? Absolutely, in a heartbeat! And it would be a purchased strictly for nostalgia reasons. The only thing is that I would want to have GT model instead so I suppose that would support those that have said only the higher level performance cars will be the collectable ones.

I think that any car which is seen today as just "a car" has potential as a collectible.

Think about it, why would a chevette ever be worth anything more than $200? Because 3/4 of them missed the rust dip at the factory, and half of those were bought by my family for $25 and wrecked in a field derby.

Explorers have potential too, probably not in my lifetime, but they changed the way the world saw the SUV. and after C4C, how many nice explorers are you seeing now?

I used to see a handful of 4-door explorers to every one 2 door like mine, now you CANT hardly find a nice used 4-door without a $5000 price tag.

I put my vote down for the aztek. Seriously, who could love that car unless it was the only one left standing in mint condition?

My first car was a '78 Volare slant six with a half vinyl roof.  I got me through college, but I had no love for it then and no nostalgia for it today.  Its rare to see a Volare or Aspen on the road so they do turn my head, but I have no desire to own one again.

I think a lot of the collectable market has been driven by the boomer generation as cars were a big part of their youth.  Today, many kids aren't interested in cars and some 16 year olds don't even want a drivers' license!  Maybe they'll collect other stuff instead of cars.

I dunno if I can even comment on this as my first car was a 66 mustang with a 289.
 I had a Chevette ,and an Omni , both as winter beaters and I have no lost love for either

 
That's cool...sometimes its hard to get your point across when not talking face-to-face.  Darn interwebz, lol.

My uncle had a diesel Escort when I was a kid (not sure of the year)...and it got insanely high fuel mileage.  He actually ended up trading it in on a '85 or '86 Turbocoupe.  The guy that ended up with the Escort used it for rural mail delivery and racked up a boatload of miles on that little diesel before it finally ped out.

Not to you they won't. To those who were into the whole F&F scene they will. And those people will not care any more about a 60's muscle car than we do about 40's cars. They pique our interest very little because we don't relate to them, much the same as today's 16 year olds will not relate to 60's muscle. Indeed, they'll look down their noses at them, because they are technologically inferior to today's iron. For the record, I really want a late 40's or early 50's car.

Those Honda fanboys are no different than American iron fanboys of the past. It is those fanboys that will drive future collectibility.

It's hard to explain because it is not true. "Soul" is a very subjective term. I can guarantee you that an 18 year old with his "riced up" Civic is every bit as proud of it as you are of your '72 Chevelle. And 40 years on he will cross the same mountains to find and restore one that baby boomers cross now to find the cars of their youths.
 
Exactly. You are not a fan of them. So how can you claim to know where they're going, value wise? It will be those who ARE fans of them who will determine their value. I'm no fan of first generation Camaros, but my opinion of them has zero effect on what people who like them will pay for them...
 
Exactly. In 1972 50tbrd88's Chevelle was just a car. So were first generation Mustangs, which certainly weren't produced in limited numbers.

Absolutely. Just like the Mustang defined the 60's the Explorer defined the 90's. Econoshiznitsters defined the 80's. And imports defined the 2000's.

The Aztek will find a following in the same way that the Pacers, Gremlins, VW Things and Edsels of the past have. They'll be collectibles but for a niche market. And they will absolutely attract attention at future car shows. You can add the Isuzu Vehicross and Suzuki X90 to that list as well.
 
I can see vintage computers and parts having a market as well, but cars will always have a market. Many kids aren't interested in cars, sure, but many are. There's a reason the F&F movies did so well. There's also a reason driving games are still popular.
Right. You remember those cars as beaters, not first cars or fun machines. My first car was a '78 Trans Am, a POS I paid $600 for, and even though I was fully aware it was a POS I would love to have another because of the "first car" memories. I learned to drive in an '87 Nissan Pathfinder, and would love to have one. And I spent many nights tearing up the town in my mother's Nissan Micra, and would love to have another (and she would love to as well - it was the first car that was "hers" since she was married).

 
Funny, I don't remember too many Chevettes or Dodge Omni's in F&F?  lol.  I will agree that the sporty puppiesanese vehicles will have some collectability.  I'll even go so far as to admit that some puppiesanese cars are cool, I just do not aspire to be a fan of them.  I do remember there being several muscle cars in F&F, though. 

Sorry I just feel that any 4 dr shiznitbox economy car will always be just that.  There will be small fringe groups of people who collect them (hell there are people out there who collect anything and everything), but that doesnt mean they are going to be highly desirable or sought after by anyone other than a few small core groups.  Just my opinon...maybe I'll be dead wrong.  Time will tell.

Yeah, my Chevelle was just a Chevelle back in '72, but that's just because its a plain old 350/auto.  Its not a special car.  Now if it were an SS, big block, 4spd Chevelle or a Hemi Cuda, that would be akin to someone driving say a GT500 Mustang, SRT8 Challenger, etc today.  Not something you see every day, but when you do you generally stop and take notice.  Dad always talks about the guys that had "special" cars back in the day (ie: Hemi's, Z/28's, 427's, etc).  Trust me those guys even back then knew those cars were more than just run of the mill cars.  That is why there are so many left around today.  It is undeniable that that was a special time for American cars.

I hope I'm not offending you, I'm just stating my opinon and I respect yours.  I even agree with many of your points...

And my opinon on the soul thing...

A blind man could tell that this has more soul:

(http://image.automotive.com/f/featuredvehicles/8865809+pheader/113_0504_01z+1969_chevrolet_camaro)
Than this:

(http://www.atozautolights.com/images/AutoPhotos/HOCI8891.jpg)

...again I mean no offense Thunderchicken.

The masses will pick and choose what becomes the collector car of tomorrow, not the niche groupies, or the select few car guys of F&F, or the hard core mudders.  It's the lawyer and doctor who pay big money to have someone else restore their car of their choosing, that will end up being on B.J., and the clueless will follow suit when they start digging them up out of farm fields and junkyards from which they've seen on B.J. and the SEMA companies that start to make parts for said cars, and so on, and so on.  The Barracuda is a current example.  There's nothing spectacular about a car that had more HP than the suspension could handle.  As one who grew up in one, I can't afford one, so my nostalgia for my childhood is thrown out the window.  But the lawyers and doctors can afford to have one, and so they make the rules.  It is what it is.

I get what I get, because I like it for me, not for resale, or collectability.

To answer the original question from the first post, I always thought that we would see values increase for the Starion/Conquest. They were never really glamorized as far as I know, which may explain why I see them on CL every few months for $2,000-$4,000 in running, inspected condition. I'd love to have one, actually.

THose are great cars.

My Pop bought a 1981 Chevette Diesel brand new and when my brother went to college it was given to him to drive. I spent a lot of time driving it when my Pop had it and it was definitely fun to drive. My brother kept that car along time and it ran forever. Several years ago he finally sold it but I would not have minded having that little car to restore and use as a daily driver.

That may never be a collectible but what I think fascinates people is that the older cars are so rare to see and they look different and distinct enough these days compared to the norm we see with newer cars these days that they are interesting.

ok,, you forgot one


pontiac fiero GT.

Saw one today,, always wanted to molest one with a v8,,, a hard one to shoe horn but has been done.