Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:05:39 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:05:39 PM
Condensed and to the point...
Condition I found it in at my parents house. They gave me the car to get it out of the driveway. My stepmother was the original owner.
Condition I found it in at my parents house. They gave me the car to get it out of the driveway. My stepmother was the original owner.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Thunder Bantam on November 26, 2010, 02:07:35 PM
Post by: Thunder Bantam on November 26, 2010, 02:07:35 PM
every one of those give me this " Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator "
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:09:25 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:09:25 PM
After being towed 200 miles to my home. Interior was cleaned. Seats turned out good but the carpet had to go, along with the entire saltine cracker dash assembly.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:11:01 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:11:01 PM
Gutted interior before and after sanding and painting all the rusty parts black. Initial assembly of SN-97 Mustang instrument panel swap.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:14:00 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:14:00 PM
Initial use of amber halo clear halogen sealed beam headlamps. SN-97 dash assembly complete. I tried a digital instrument cluster but abandoned it later for a SN-97 cluster.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:15:31 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:15:31 PM
SN-97 Mustang dash installed. Tried a 1986 Cougar nose for a short while.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:17:39 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:17:39 PM
Switched to the 1987-88 Thunderbird LX aero nose.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:18:58 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:18:58 PM
Installed a set of 85-86 taillamps and modified the back up lamps and lower trim with toureador red metallic paint. Headlamps modified to accept amber bulbs that light up with parking lamps.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:21:37 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:21:37 PM
Phase II of dash modifications. Entire dash and console is painted black and SN-97 Mustang instrument cluster is installed and fully functional. Auto shifter now moved to the console using a Lincoln Mark VII auto shifter assembly. Dash trim pieces painted silver for contrast to give off the effect of early classic 1958-63 Thunderbird themes. Chrome rings add bling around the gauge faces.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: 50tbrd88 on November 26, 2010, 02:22:57 PM
Post by: 50tbrd88 on November 26, 2010, 02:22:57 PM
I guess I missed the fact that you put a aero-nose on a 83-86 car. That dash swap came out pretty nice.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:24:08 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:24:08 PM
Early Taurus multi-function switch and 1989 T-bird steering column trim makes a perfect match for completing the look used with the newer SN-97 Mustang dash.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:26:52 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:26:52 PM
Explorer overhead roof console installed features compass and temp display. An auto dimming rear view mirror is now in place along with sunvisors with lighted mirrors. The radio trim panel was replaced with a double-din type and new style Ford audio system.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:29:30 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:29:30 PM
Initial restoration of interior door panels with new black vinyl and contrasting silver armrests and door pulls.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Thunder Bantam on November 26, 2010, 02:30:18 PM
Post by: Thunder Bantam on November 26, 2010, 02:30:18 PM
:bowdown: WIN !
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:34:50 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:34:50 PM
Thanks! Yep easy swap to the Aero nose. I have commenced on some mechanical repairs. I am dealing with three codes: 13 No Pip, 18 no tach signal and 63 Throttle Position Sensor. Currently working on the distributor and just replaced the thermostat and TPS.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:35:56 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 02:35:56 PM
I must have been in the process of posting and editing when all that came up. It's done now.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Thunder Bantam on November 26, 2010, 02:43:12 PM
Post by: Thunder Bantam on November 26, 2010, 02:43:12 PM
how hard was the dash swap ?
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 03:10:53 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 03:10:53 PM
Not really bad at all. I salvaged the use of the original Tbird metal dash frame. Since it falls away at the bottom like the Mustang one does it conformed nicely when the Mustang dash shell was laid over it. I removed the Mustang dash shell from it's frame and installed it over the Tbird one. I had to trim away about three inches from the foward edge of the Mustang dash shell where it butts up against the windshield while also yielding enough space for the windshield defroster to work. There was some minor fabrication work to the dash vent system, HVAC controls and some support brackets but it all turned out well.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: vinnietbird on November 26, 2010, 04:38:15 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on November 26, 2010, 04:38:15 PM
Still love your work,and can't wait to see it all finished......but what happened to the other thread you had. One day all was well,the next,we were lost.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: dragon574444 on November 26, 2010, 05:35:15 PM
Post by: dragon574444 on November 26, 2010, 05:35:15 PM
Wow, that looks good. Definitely puts the mod in resto-mod. Did the original grill have the blue Ford logo on it?
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: CoogarXR on November 26, 2010, 08:35:41 PM
Post by: CoogarXR on November 26, 2010, 08:35:41 PM
What did you do with your old halo lights from the 86 nose, hehe, wanna sell 'em?
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 11:21:00 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 11:21:00 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;343231
Still love your work,and can't wait to see it all finished......but what happened to the other thread you had. One day all was well,the next,we were lost.
I was ill for a couple of weeks and I probably should have left the thread alone. I got it in my head that I wanted to condense the thread a great deal and get rid of so much of the trial and error. I kind of like this thread in it's condensed form now. It will continue on with the mechanical restoration going forward. Right now I am trying to get the engine to run without stalling after warm-up. A few posts up I discussed the EEC fault codes I pulled. New TPS and new thermostat installed. I pulled the distributor to replace the pick-up coil and whaddaya know... A broken tooth on the gear. Then of course in haste my dumb ass forgot to mark the distributor position before I pulled it and I am hoping that my memory is correct with the rotor pointing at about 10 o'clock. I am going to go ahead and order a reman distributor from work.
I know the TPS was bad. I could wiggle the wiring going into it and it would stall. It was the original one, so I am sure it was worn out.
I was also able to realign my hood so that it is nicely flush all the way around.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 11:22:12 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 11:22:12 PM
Quote from: CoogarXR;343263
What did you do with your old halo lights from the 86 nose, hehe, wanna sell 'em?
They were sold several months ago. They are made my Pilot and I believe you can still find them on eBay. They actually cost less than buying the standard halogen sealed beams from an auto parts store.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 11:24:11 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 26, 2010, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: dragon574444;343236
Wow, that looks good. Definitely puts the mod in resto-mod. Did the original grill have the blue Ford logo on it?
No, it originally had the bird emblem. Thunderbirds were never produced with a blue oval emblem anywhere on the front.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 27, 2010, 09:01:11 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 27, 2010, 09:01:11 PM
Good new today, I got my reman distributor. My memory served me well as I was correct with the position I thought I remembered the rotor to be in before I removed the old distributor. A couple of twists to get the distributor to fire just right and the engine started up and ran smoothly. The engine was running great. Then suddenly the coolant temp warmed up and I got a nice surprise. The ed water outlet for the thermostat did not seal properly and now I have to go back and redo it. It's a tricky spot where the by pass hose is so close to the outer edge of the thermostat housing. It is a real pain in the butt to remove the lower bolt of the thermostat housing and there is not much room to work since it sits slightly lower than the top back of the water pump. I cannot wait to get that fixed in daylight so I can run the engine again and see if my stalling problems have cleared up. So far I certainly do notice with the new TPS it runs a lot smoother and is more responsive with throttle.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: 20thanniver-ls on November 27, 2010, 09:28:22 PM
Post by: 20thanniver-ls on November 27, 2010, 09:28:22 PM
Good too see it's coming along. You definitely have one of the more unique birds around.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 27, 2010, 09:41:28 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 27, 2010, 09:41:28 PM
Quote from: 20thanniver-ls;343441
Good too see it's coming along. You definitely have one of the more unique birds around.
It's coming along at a snails pace but I feel better doing just one thing that feels like a mechanical accomplishment. I so want my Bird to run well and be a good driver. I really do not want to sweat any more cosmetic stuff until it runs smoothly and reliably on it's own. BTW, I like your Mark VII as well. Those are still very distinct cars that are still interesting looking today. You just cannot beat the interchangeability of Fox platform cars to keep our rides going.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: 20thanniver-ls on November 27, 2010, 09:53:59 PM
Post by: 20thanniver-ls on November 27, 2010, 09:53:59 PM
Quote from: Watchdevil;343445
It's coming along at a snails pace but I feel better doing just one thing that feels like a mechanical accomplishment. I so want my Bird to run well and be a good driver. I really do not want to sweat any more cosmetic stuff until it runs smoothly and reliably on it's own. BTW, I like your Mark VII as well. Those are still very distinct cars that are still interesting looking today. You just cannot beat the interchangeability of Fox platform cars to keep our rides going.
Thanks. Mine is kind of a "work in progress" as well, but being a DD right now makes it hard to work on. I just need it to get me through 'till the end of February, then I can park it and start the real work. I still haven't got ballsy enough to try out that SC steering wheel... LOL
I hear ya on the interchangeability, makes it a lot easier scavenging for parts. I may have missed this in your other thread, but are you keeping the TRX wheels? I saw some that were chromed and looked really good.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 27, 2010, 10:18:02 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 27, 2010, 10:18:02 PM
Quote from: 20thanniver-ls;343449
Thanks. Mine is kind of a "work in progress" as well, but being a DD right now makes it hard to work on. I just need it to get me through 'till the end of February, then I can park it and start the real work. I still haven't got ballsy enough to try out that SC steering wheel... LOL
I hear ya on the interchangeability, makes it a lot easier scavenging for parts. I may have missed this in your other thread, but are you keeping the TRX wheels? I saw some that were chromed and looked really good.
Unfortunately those TRX wheels have to go. If tires to fit can be found they are too expensive. One of the original rims was bent and would not hold air in the tire. Right now I have a standard steel wheel on the left front with a 80-82 Tbird wheel cover on it. Matter of fact I have four more wheel covers in good condition but since I got them I want to use aluminum wheels with conventional sized tires, either a nice set of turbines or the style Vinnie is using. I'll cross that bridge one day when it's time to replace the tires for inspection.
About the SC wheel, it's lot easier to install an alternate pre-airbag Fox platform steering wheel. It's just that styles are more limited. The drawback to the SC wheel is how much closer the wheel is to your chest and the awkward reach from the wheel to the turn signal lever which is something I never got used to... Not even when I installed a four spoke Tempo wheel on my former 85 Tbird. Don't forget if you decide to use the SC wheel, then flat spots have to be filed at 10 and 5 o'clock positions on the steering shaft for it to slip on. You have to be careful not to file too close to the original flat spots on the steering shaft, otherwise the wheel might slip in hard turns or steering rebound and strip the shaft.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: flylear45 on November 28, 2010, 08:35:00 AM
Post by: flylear45 on November 28, 2010, 08:35:00 AM
Love your build. That dash looks really nice with the chrome accents and all. I can't wait to see the door panels finished.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: sarjxxx on November 28, 2010, 10:15:07 AM
Post by: sarjxxx on November 28, 2010, 10:15:07 AM
i see you switched to 87.88 door panel style?
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 28, 2010, 09:49:19 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 28, 2010, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: sarjxxx;343511
i see you switched to 87.88 door panel style?
Oh yes I did! They are a one piece plastic design that I don't have to worry about the armrest support and map pocket pulling away or breaking from cardboard panels like the 1983-86 models did. I also like the nicer integration of the door lock switched and beefier upper door pull straps.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 28, 2010, 09:50:52 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 28, 2010, 09:50:52 PM
Quote from: flylear45;343503
Love your build. That dash looks really nice with the chrome accents and all. I can't wait to see the door panels finished.
Thanks! Just waiting to order carpet when I feel it's time to put it in. When I get the carpet, I am also going to order extra yardage to cover the lower door panels and rear window deck.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 28, 2010, 09:55:40 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 28, 2010, 09:55:40 PM
Today I bought a new thermostat housing. Hopefully this with the new gasket will hold up this time.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on November 30, 2010, 07:56:24 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on November 30, 2010, 07:56:24 PM
The thermostat gasket held up this time. After all the work of putting in a reman distributor which has a new pickup coil and a new thottle position sensor I seem to be back to square one. The engine runs great for around 10 to 15 minutes then it shuts down. Just before it shut down the idle started loping from normal to low continuously then it would finally stall. When I restart the engine it acts like it wants to run for a sec but will not stay running. Something is starving the engine... Has to be lack of spark or fuel. My next move is to remove the TFI module and see if it is breaking down after it gets warm. I already replaced it once. Remember I did remote mount it away from the distributor. The engine had been doing the same thing no matter where the TFI was mounted. I was hoping the engine was going to run long enough to check codes while running.
My symptoms seem to mirror what is in the post in these links:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/315854-86-f150-302-efi-dying-when-engine-warms-up.html
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/5-0l-tech/6763-85-302-ignition-problem.html
My symptoms seem to mirror what is in the post in these links:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/315854-86-f150-302-efi-dying-when-engine-warms-up.html
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/5-0l-tech/6763-85-302-ignition-problem.html
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: jrad235 on December 01, 2010, 12:48:23 AM
Post by: jrad235 on December 01, 2010, 12:48:23 AM
Idle Air Control!!! Because it runs great while cold, but won't idle when warm. Characterized by a seeking idle, normal, then 300rpm-ish, then up, then stall. Or something thereabouts.
A friend had this problem with a boat he was servicing, as soon as I saw it I called it. Replaced and it ran like a champ. Started at about 112 Degrees F.
It does run just fine with throttle right? Can you hold rpm just after this behavior starts?
A friend had this problem with a boat he was servicing, as soon as I saw it I called it. Replaced and it ran like a champ. Started at about 112 Degrees F.
It does run just fine with throttle right? Can you hold rpm just after this behavior starts?
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on December 01, 2010, 11:26:27 AM
Post by: Watchdevil on December 01, 2010, 11:26:27 AM
Quote from: jrad235;343868
Idle Air Control!!! Because it runs great while cold, but won't idle when warm. Characterized by a seeking idle, normal, then 300rpm-ish, then up, then stall. Or something thereabouts.
A friend had this problem with a boat he was servicing, as soon as I saw it I called it. Replaced and it ran like a champ. Started at about 112 Degrees F.
It does run just fine with throttle right? Can you hold rpm just after this behavior starts?
No unfortunately it stalls with increased throttle and just will not run again until the engine cools off. I have two things I need to check... The ignition coil and the ignition module... The ignition module has already been replaced.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on December 02, 2010, 02:01:51 AM
Post by: Watchdevil on December 02, 2010, 02:01:51 AM
This morning I had time to go outside and start the engine again. It's now hard to start cold. After a couple of cranks it starts, runs rough until it smooths out some. Then after a short time, it starts running rougher and the idle speed surges. Finally it cuts off. I start it repeatedly a few times and it runs for a couple of second then stalls again. That contrasts starkly to the night before when the engine started fine, ran for 15 minutes with a decently smooth idle then started surging when the engine got warm and wold eventually stall and not crank again.
I took off my TFI module and ignition coil and took it to work today. I tested both of them. The module tested good on several repeated tests. I tested the ignition coil and it's right on spec with a new one. I think I am at my wits end. It makes me wonder if I should just give up on this car and find something later that actually runs vs. everything that seems to be involved including time getting this pile of junk to run before I can even progess to other mechanical work. I keep having moments of hope which diminish the moment that no matter what I do I cannot keep this engine running.
I took off my TFI module and ignition coil and took it to work today. I tested both of them. The module tested good on several repeated tests. I tested the ignition coil and it's right on spec with a new one. I think I am at my wits end. It makes me wonder if I should just give up on this car and find something later that actually runs vs. everything that seems to be involved including time getting this pile of junk to run before I can even progess to other mechanical work. I keep having moments of hope which diminish the moment that no matter what I do I cannot keep this engine running.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Haystack on December 02, 2010, 07:48:15 PM
Post by: Haystack on December 02, 2010, 07:48:15 PM
So, what codes are you pulling up? That would be a good start.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on December 02, 2010, 09:33:56 PM
Post by: Watchdevil on December 02, 2010, 09:33:56 PM
Initially I pulled up codes 13 No PIP, 18 No Tach signal and 63 TPS voltage too low/high whatever it was. I went in to replace the pick-up coil just because it was old anyway. When I pulled out the distributor I found a broken tooth on the gear. I ended up replacing the entire distributor with a reman unit. I replaced the TPS sensor as well. I discovered when I wiggled the wires on that while it was running the engine would stall out. I also replaced the thermostat because it seemed to be failing to open after the engine ran for a while and the upper radiator hose was not getting hot. Now the thermostat works. After doing all of that I still have the problems. Tested the TFI module and ignition coil and they passed tests checking out ok with the coil in range of a new one.
Tomorrow I will try to run more codes without the engine running and see if anything else came up. I am also going to pull plugs and check the condition of them since I replaced those new several months ago along with new wires. It would be nice to get the engine running long enough so I can pull codes while running. I did notice that the contacts inside the distributor cap and on the rotor have developed traces of crusty buildup and those parts are still new since I put them on several months ago. I know there has to be something obvious that is keeping the engine from running correctly when warm.
Tomorrow I will try to run more codes without the engine running and see if anything else came up. I am also going to pull plugs and check the condition of them since I replaced those new several months ago along with new wires. It would be nice to get the engine running long enough so I can pull codes while running. I did notice that the contacts inside the distributor cap and on the rotor have developed traces of crusty buildup and those parts are still new since I put them on several months ago. I know there has to be something obvious that is keeping the engine from running correctly when warm.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Watchdevil on December 06, 2010, 01:47:13 AM
Post by: Watchdevil on December 06, 2010, 01:47:13 AM
Well since my option to edit my posts has been revoked I will no longer be partiting in or visiting these forums. I can understand if it is not desirable for me to delete older posts despite any valid reasons I may have for doing so. I don't have a problem with that. Most forums anyway have a time limit of a day to correct and edit posts.
Since Chuck W. sent a private message sometime over the weekend me asking about why made some deletions and did not give me a chance to respond before my first chance to log in today after a busy weekend, I am going away. It is clear to me there must be some people ganging up on me here that no longer want me here for whatever contrived reasons they imagine them to be. So I am gone for good. You got your wishes...
To those who have been kind and generous take good care and best of luck to you...
Since Chuck W. sent a private message sometime over the weekend me asking about why made some deletions and did not give me a chance to respond before my first chance to log in today after a busy weekend, I am going away. It is clear to me there must be some people ganging up on me here that no longer want me here for whatever contrived reasons they imagine them to be. So I am gone for good. You got your wishes...
To those who have been kind and generous take good care and best of luck to you...
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Haystack on December 06, 2010, 02:36:45 AM
Post by: Haystack on December 06, 2010, 02:36:45 AM
Hey, I don't think it was ment as anything personal. I think that it would have been better if you did not delete your old posts on the last one, but thats just me. Seems like alot of good information for someone that wanted to do that same thing was just lost. Maybe you would have been better off to make a different thread instead of deleting it. But that is just me, no hard feelings from me, and I wish you would stay.
I think the ability to delete post might have something to do with the new forum upgrade. I would see if you could at least talk to one of the mods here to see.
Take care.
I think the ability to delete post might have something to do with the new forum upgrade. I would see if you could at least talk to one of the mods here to see.
Take care.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: vinnietbird on December 06, 2010, 07:56:32 AM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 06, 2010, 07:56:32 AM
I do agree with Haystack,it's nothing personal. Roll with it. You are a welcome addition to the forum and one who has a lot to offer. tick it out These things always tend to work themselves out. Don't let a sped bump in the road keep you from partiting.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: daminc on December 06, 2010, 08:02:46 AM
Post by: daminc on December 06, 2010, 08:02:46 AM
Why would you think people are ganging up on you????
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Chuck W on December 06, 2010, 08:36:47 AM
Post by: Chuck W on December 06, 2010, 08:36:47 AM
Ok, first off...moderator does not equal administrator. I have no control over your privileges on posting, editing, etc. I sent you the PM asking you an honest question to see what the deal was. You never did respond to my question.
I'm guessing this drama stems back to when you made some nasty, snarky comment when the board returned from its downtime. The banners weren't working and you made a comment to the tune of "Screw the banners. Since I can't get my car up there, I don't even care." I could dig up the exact post, but this is how it came across. It was a direct stab at Eric (and Baxo), and he responded appropriately. The banners were a gift to the forum from those two (from before your time here), which they handled on their own time. If they decided to not mess with them any more, that is their own prerogative. Instead of throwing a fit, you could've offered to take on the task yourself, or offered to help.
If that's not the case, then instead of thinking everyone is out to get you, engage the mods/admins in a conversation about it.
Since you claimed to not coming back to the forum (and thus not respond to my PM), if anyone has any contact with Angelo, shoot him and email and have him pay the forum a visit.
I'm guessing this drama stems back to when you made some nasty, snarky comment when the board returned from its downtime. The banners weren't working and you made a comment to the tune of "Screw the banners. Since I can't get my car up there, I don't even care." I could dig up the exact post, but this is how it came across. It was a direct stab at Eric (and Baxo), and he responded appropriately. The banners were a gift to the forum from those two (from before your time here), which they handled on their own time. If they decided to not mess with them any more, that is their own prerogative. Instead of throwing a fit, you could've offered to take on the task yourself, or offered to help.
If that's not the case, then instead of thinking everyone is out to get you, engage the mods/admins in a conversation about it.
Since you claimed to not coming back to the forum (and thus not respond to my PM), if anyone has any contact with Angelo, shoot him and email and have him pay the forum a visit.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: tbirdsps on December 06, 2010, 09:12:51 AM
Post by: tbirdsps on December 06, 2010, 09:12:51 AM
What a shame. I was getting in to his restomod.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: vinnietbird on December 06, 2010, 09:56:39 AM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 06, 2010, 09:56:39 AM
Stuff like this....you deal with it,and keep moving ahead.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Bruce M on December 06, 2010, 10:18:07 AM
Post by: Bruce M on December 06, 2010, 10:18:07 AM
What a waste of time. I just read this whole thread and now I will not even see the finished product. If you do come back, check your fuel pressure. The fuel pump could be getting warm and might be starting to go bad.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: sarjxxx on December 06, 2010, 12:34:32 PM
Post by: sarjxxx on December 06, 2010, 12:34:32 PM
Brother as far as I'm concerned youve been quite welcome here. I've had no bad feelings toward you and youve done nothing but help me out. I'm not going to make any judgement calls because i dont know what went on behind the scenes but it seems to me like there are far more people here that would rather see you stay, retomod thread or not.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: vinnietbird on December 06, 2010, 01:34:56 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 06, 2010, 01:34:56 PM
On this forum,restomods mean nothing......meaning,we're not so buttstuff that a Bird or Cougar can't be modified to the owners own taste. We're about restoration, wild mods,and everything in between as long as the cars are on the road and getting some love. I,like everyone else,don't know every detail of this either,BUT,I've been here and been involved long enough to say with confidence that there's no animosity at all,just a disagreement with rules and the way things operate. As Chuck said,if there's a problem,the mods are a PM away. All it takes is communication,and the willingness to accept that we can't always have what we want. It's really a lot to do about nothing..
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Thunder Chicken on December 06, 2010, 04:29:14 PM
Post by: Thunder Chicken on December 06, 2010, 04:29:14 PM
Ok, time to chime in.
I, personally, revoked Watchdevil's deleting privilege, and I did so as a form of damage control. He started deleting posts willy-nilly with no reason given. If you're gonna take your toys and go home, at least give a reason. Such as I'm doing right here: I wanted to prevent him deleting any more posts and thus doing more damage to our (not his) forum. The fact that he noticed his deleting privileges were revoked before even replying to Chuck proves I did the right thing.
And for the record, deleting/editing posts is the only privelige I took from him. And since it seems that editing/deleting his posts was the only partition in these forums he's been doing lately, his partition is no longer welcome.
I, personally, revoked Watchdevil's deleting privilege, and I did so as a form of damage control. He started deleting posts willy-nilly with no reason given. If you're gonna take your toys and go home, at least give a reason. Such as I'm doing right here: I wanted to prevent him deleting any more posts and thus doing more damage to our (not his) forum. The fact that he noticed his deleting privileges were revoked before even replying to Chuck proves I did the right thing.
And for the record, deleting/editing posts is the only privelige I took from him. And since it seems that editing/deleting his posts was the only partition in these forums he's been doing lately, his partition is no longer welcome.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: vinnietbird on December 06, 2010, 04:36:54 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 06, 2010, 04:36:54 PM
I suppose that sums it all up.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: 20thanniver-ls on December 06, 2010, 05:11:50 PM
Post by: 20thanniver-ls on December 06, 2010, 05:11:50 PM
Well, this kind of sucks. This was quite a unique car that I would have loved to see finished.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: jkirchman on December 13, 2010, 09:45:42 PM
Post by: jkirchman on December 13, 2010, 09:45:42 PM
I'm going to have to agree with the suckage. Methinks a little bit less buttstuff retentiveness would have done some good in this situation.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: sarjxxx on December 14, 2010, 01:43:40 AM
Post by: sarjxxx on December 14, 2010, 01:43:40 AM
It doesn't matter he hasn't logged in since the day he posted that. He's really gone for good.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: jpc647 on December 14, 2010, 04:01:53 AM
Post by: jpc647 on December 14, 2010, 04:01:53 AM
, I was in the process of buying parts from him and now I have no way to contact him. I was wondering why he never signed back on.. With he posted his email on his profile... We should make it a requirement that the email your notifications are sent to can be seen by members.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: vinnietbird on December 14, 2010, 06:46:02 AM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 14, 2010, 06:46:02 AM
You know,....this is the wrong thread for this,but,I will say,in addition to State and town requirements,I do believe that a phone number and email should be required as well if you are going to sell parts.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Chuck W on December 14, 2010, 02:07:15 PM
Post by: Chuck W on December 14, 2010, 02:07:15 PM
Google "Watchdevil ford" . You'll find the other forums he's on.
FWIW, I'm planning on instituting some additional rules for the Classified sections.
http://forums.themustangsource.com/members/watchdevil-105625/
FWIW, I'm planning on instituting some additional rules for the Classified sections.
http://forums.themustangsource.com/members/watchdevil-105625/
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: vinnietbird on December 14, 2010, 04:26:32 PM
Post by: vinnietbird on December 14, 2010, 04:26:32 PM
Additional rules are fine for selling. If you're not doing anything wrong,you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
As far as watching Watchdevil's progress. I guess I'll never see it. I like the guy. Seems nice and I was very interested in his build,,but if he wants us to see it,I figure he'll be back. I'm not chasing people around that left to read the end of the story.
As far as watching Watchdevil's progress. I guess I'll never see it. I like the guy. Seems nice and I was very interested in his build,,but if he wants us to see it,I figure he'll be back. I'm not chasing people around that left to read the end of the story.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on December 14, 2010, 04:45:45 PM
Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on December 14, 2010, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;345609
You know,....this is the wrong thread for this,but,I will say,in addition to State and town requirements,I do believe that a phone number and email should be required as well if you are going to sell parts.
x2
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: jpc647 on December 14, 2010, 11:14:17 PM
Post by: jpc647 on December 14, 2010, 11:14:17 PM
How do we go about suggesting this to the mods/forum hierarchy? FWIW I was able to contact him through paypal, I still had his paypal address, so I sent the offer with a small message.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Haystack on December 15, 2010, 01:11:06 AM
Post by: Haystack on December 15, 2010, 01:11:06 AM
Honestly, there have been so many people in this same situation, something rubs their pant leg raw and they run around screaming their the victim. I don't understand why he couldn't just make a new thread instead of screwing with it. If he comes back, the same thing will happen again, as it has many time in the past.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Haystack on December 15, 2010, 01:13:48 AM
Post by: Haystack on December 15, 2010, 01:13:48 AM
And for anyone who still wants to see his thread, in unmolested glory.
http://forums.themustangsource.com/f699/my-1984-tbird-restomod-479937/
http://forums.themustangsource.com/f699/my-1984-tbird-restomod-479937/
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: jpc647 on December 15, 2010, 05:47:04 AM
Post by: jpc647 on December 15, 2010, 05:47:04 AM
Thank You.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: Chuck W on December 15, 2010, 08:23:21 AM
Post by: Chuck W on December 15, 2010, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: jpc647;345708
How do we go about suggesting this to the mods/forum hierarchy? FWIW I was able to contact him through paypal, I still had his paypal address, so I sent the offer with a small message.
I'm the one who watches over the Classifieds, and like I mentioned above, I plan on instituting some changes to how folks do business here.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: CoogarXR on December 15, 2010, 09:53:46 AM
Post by: CoogarXR on December 15, 2010, 09:53:46 AM
Quote from: Haystack;345722
Honestly, there have been so many people in this same situation, something rubs their pant leg raw and they run around screaming their the victim. I don't understand why he couldn't just make a new thread instead of screwing with it. If he comes back, the same thing will happen again, as it has many time in the past.
I agree. Maybe the admins can delete the drama off the end of this thread (from post 41 forward).
That's one thing that keeps me coming back to this forum, just a great bunch of people, and no drama.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: 50tbrd88 on December 15, 2010, 10:16:00 AM
Post by: 50tbrd88 on December 15, 2010, 10:16:00 AM
Quote from: CoogarXR;345750
I agree. Maybe the admins can delete the drama off the end of this thread (from post 41 forward).
That's one thing that keeps me coming back to this forum, just a great bunch of people, and no drama.
I agree! We are lucky to have a fairly drama free group here. If the mods and admins try to keep the trouble makers out, I'm fine with that.
Title: Watchdevil's New Restomod Thread *Update 12-2-10*
Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on December 15, 2010, 02:12:08 PM
Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on December 15, 2010, 02:12:08 PM
that's the BEST part of this forum, everyone is cool and laid back.. a little constructive criticism here and there, but no real arguing, fighting or any drama at all for that matter.. i'd really hate to see it go down the tubes because of 1 thread