Technical => Misc Tech => Topic started by: thewestie on November 08, 2010, 11:01:23 PM
Title: Spedo
Post by: thewestie on November 08, 2010, 11:01:23 PM
Hi I've swapped from auto to stick and 2.3 to 5.8 carbed. I lost the computer and with it the speedo. Can I use a mustang spedo and cable and a drive in the tranny I know I can get the drive and cable I'm looking for a good fit in the dash? While I'm here can I get the factory tach to work?
Thanks :burnout:
Title: Spedo
Post by: Beau on November 09, 2010, 01:59:09 AM
Are you going with a T5 for the trans...just get the driven gear for the wheel/tire combo in the T5 application, stick it in, done deal.
The stang cluster won't work in a Bird/Cougar dash...as for the tach, I put an '88 Sport (V8) cluster in an '88 3.8 car...added some wire to the tach input on the cluster, and ran it up to the coil...for some odd-ass reason, the tach registered correctly although it was for the 5.0...
Anyway, the speedo issue is really easy, use the wire you have, just get the correct part from a T5 (or whatever trans you use, be it T5, T45, T56 etc) There's a chart HERE (http://"http://www.fordracingparts.com/download/charts/129.pdf")that will help you pick the right color/teeth per wheel/tire size you run.
Title: Spedo
Post by: thewestie on November 09, 2010, 11:00:59 PM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;341002
Are you going with a T5 for the trans...just get the driven gear for the wheel/tire combo in the T5 application, stick it in, done deal.
The stang cluster won't work in a Bird/Cougar dash...as for the tach, I put an '88 Sport (V8) cluster in an '88 3.8 car...added some wire to the tach input on the cluster, and ran it up to the coil...for some odd-ass reason, the tach registered correctly although it was for the 5.0...
Anyway, the speedo issue is really easy, use the wire you have, just get the correct part from a T5 (or whatever trans you use, be it T5, T45, T56 etc) There's a chart HERE (http://"http://www.fordracingparts.com/download/charts/129.pdf")that will help you pick the right color/teeth per wheel/tire size you run.
I'm using a t5 till I get the loot for a Tremec I plugged the tranny in with the factory plug and no speedo I was told that since I took out the speed density computer Id need to go to a cable driven speedo
Title: Spedo
Post by: Beau on November 10, 2010, 02:23:30 AM
I can't say if the lack of an EEC will affect the electro-speedo or not...as far as Mustang clusters go, the rather large aftermarket for 'Stangs has tempted me to swap in a 94+ Stang dash...but, not sure of they're cable or electric speedo (read; too tired/lazy/sleep to search right now lol)
Maybe someone else will chime in about the no eec/speedo quandary..
Title: Spedo
Post by: thewestie on November 10, 2010, 02:25:56 PM
I've got a 94 stang that's rusted to death. I'm gonna grab the parts for a five lug swap the cluster is out I'll look tomorrow after work I've got to go to school in a hour. I'm currently scratching my head doing a 3 g upgrade. The pic for the 2.3 diagram wont print thank god for lap tops
Title: Spedo
Post by: thewestie on November 12, 2010, 11:26:03 PM
Finished 3G upgrade just in time found a few melted connections.. ThunderbirdSport302 Ill look tomorrow at the cluster
Title: Spedo
Post by: hypostang on November 13, 2010, 10:37:24 AM
Congrats on finishing the 3G and not having a major wiring meltdown ,,, just out of curiosity where in Worcester are you ?
Title: Spedo
Post by: thewestie on November 13, 2010, 08:05:37 PM
they call it Quinsig village its over by rt 20 on the auburn millbury line behind holy cross college
Title: Spedo
Post by: hypostang on November 13, 2010, 08:42:17 PM
I know exactly where it is I worked on Quinsigamond ave for 11 years at Quinsig auto /Christie Thompson now Fisher auto parts :) I grew up in Greendale
Title: Spedo
Post by: thewestie on November 14, 2010, 12:53:56 AM
My buddy Wayne runs that store now they closed the Framingham store and he went there they actually moved next door and the old store is warehouse
Title: Spedo
Post by: thewestie on November 14, 2010, 12:55:28 AM
When you did your swap did you lose your factory amp gauge
Title: Spedo
Post by: hypostang on November 14, 2010, 01:09:28 AM
Wayne Wallace Winch , he and I were very good friends when I lived up there. Tell him Daryl said Hello next time you speak to him , he will know who I am
And My amp gauge works just like factory after my 3g swap
Title: Spedo
Post by: thewestie on November 14, 2010, 05:46:08 PM
I lost the gauge? I'll have to go back in.
And I did not know about the Wallace in the moniker That would make him WWW.
Title: Spedo
Post by: hypostang on November 14, 2010, 06:51:22 PM
I believe the green wire is the gauge feed , but dont quote me on that .
And yup he was the original WWW ..lol
Title: Spedo
Post by: thewestie on November 15, 2010, 09:42:41 PM
Ill check the connection after work tomorrow
Title: Spedo
Post by: jcassity on December 01, 2010, 12:09:51 AM
the cluster doesnt need the eec,, however the swap you've done may have interrupted the shunt wiring for the amp gauge.
go to the diy thread in misc tech ,, you will find my EVTM manual up on photo bucket.
also, double check the 3g swap in electrical tech sticky,, theres a final draft version we all did there which has 2.3L corrections as a result of someones car that caught fire because he may have made a mistake or the factory wiring had conflicts with the ref manual.
the 2.3 is a fickle ,,, and wiring is sort of a one of a kind thing.
Title: Spedo
Post by: Beau on December 01, 2010, 02:15:34 AM
Quote from: jcassity;343861
theres a final draft version we all did there which has 2.3L corrections as a result of someone CLAIMING, but never proved their car caught fire.
Fixed, lol
What was that kid's name...? I think changing his own oil was a challenge, from some of his posts...
Title: Spedo
Post by: jcassity on December 01, 2010, 11:26:40 PM
well, he seemed to have baffeled all of us with the root cause but if you read on through his thread and his details on the front end of what he did,, we all did notice an oddity with the 87 tc vs the 88 tc being slightly different. I was hoping someone who owned em all would have been able to cypher through his threads and figure out which wire took him down the wrong path.
I concluded there was an existing wiring error that by default put the 3g upgrade into jeopardy right off the bat...ie- some hacked wiring conflicting with the charge harness / shunt wiring.
Title: Spedo
Post by: thewestie on December 02, 2010, 12:26:46 AM
The post actually started on the hopes of getting the factory speedo working. I got lost in a 3g upgrade and meeting people. I have a working alternator still no fac amp gauge or speedo can figure out the gauge just got to look at what I did wrong the gauge worked before the 3 g swap so I'm 99% sure it was operator error . Need solid answers on speedo
The gauge actually was working the whole time. the 3g alt works so much better that the gauge doesn't jump when throttling the motor like the 75 amp alt. Started the car to move in 15 degree day with weak battery and the gauge was moving then.
still no speedo Help :stupid:
Title: Spedo
Post by: jpc647 on January 11, 2011, 11:26:22 PM
http://www.coolcats.net/modifying/gauges.html
Read the last paragraph. I don't know much about the speedometers, or the gauges but that has a little information. Maybe you should send ericcoolcats a message, he might have some information for you.