I'm kicking around an idea for upcoming 5 lug/bigger brakes and possibly lowering the car.
I know that the '94-'95 spindles are pretty well the number one thing to grab, but are '96-'04 spindles feasible? I know they'll increase track width on the front, and that the tie rod mounts are lower.
Which brings to me to the next question. Are offset rack bushings feasible with stock '88 controls arms and k member, '96+ spindles, and a lowered car?
(I've looked and then some, can't seem to find a definite, 100% answer)
If I have to lower it to avoid bumpsteer, about how much?
It will see some gravel driving, rough streets and the like, but nothing severe, or I'll go around it.
I don't have a problem with lowering it, but I don't want it to the point where it takes me 20 minutes to go 3/4 mile on gravle from the highway to my driveway lol
There's always '96+ stuff in the yards, whereas '94-'95 shiznit is pretty well snagged as soon as they get 'em in.
Thoughts, opinions? :D
Read this. It's interesting.
http://www.miracerros.com/mustang/t_suspension.htm
I'm in the process of removing my lowering springs and going back to a more stock ride. The roads around here are and I'm tired of the rough ride and bottoming out everywhere!
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=25962&highlight=spindles
Thanks gumby, I think that pretty well got it through my thick skull lol
In short: '96-'04 Spindles will ONLY work on a Fox IF a MM k member is used..check.
Since I don't really want to buy a new k member, the search is on for '95-'95 stuff. :hick:
I know this thread is a month or so old but I found my 94-95 spindles here:
http://www.car-parts.com
Just type in the data and it gives you all the salvage yards in the country with the parts. May take a couple of phone calls but you can typically find a set for $100 shipped.
Darren
:cool: I'll look into it after the Christmas holidays are past
Why didnt I ever run across this before I did the swap on my car. I havent driven it yet so I'll have to let you guys know what it does. At this point I'm not buying a k-member and My car is going to be lowered alot(if I ever get it done)
I had the 96+ spindles on my Coupe with a stock K-member and had the tapered bump steer kit installed on it and never really noticed a problem. I had the H&R Sport springs and Tokico Illumina dampers so it was low but not like it is now with the coil overs. You will most likely be fine on a daily driver as most of the bump steer issues are compounded by the rigors of racing.
Darren
I've read on a few other places where someone has used '96+ spindles on a lowered car with a bumpsteer kit and never had much, if any problems...
Hard to decide if I want to gamble, and have them fairly soon for pretty cheap (20 bucks for both if I pull 'em) or err on the side of caution and wait an eternity lol
If I have problems, I may just move the location of the rack. Seems like a pretty simple solution actually
Yeah, offset rack bushings may help, but I have no experience with this stuff. I want mine lowered, but not too terribly much, I live on a gravel road, and a lot of the streets in the nearest towns are pretty shiznitty too...
I'd be willing to try it, but I don't have a lot of money for mistakes lol. Then again, nothing is one and done on my car, I've had to do things about 3 times over before I got 'em right. shaging car is a test of my patience and sanity, and both were in short supply when I bought it in Feb '09 lmao.
This is my next upgrade after the car is back together.
http://www.fays2.net/fays2_watts_link_17_.html
Get it figured for me and send me a detailed list of what works the best!!!!! LOL i'll learn by your turmoil!!! ever since i put my Qa1 k-member in ive had all kinds of greif,wider stance with bird lca's,moved wheels forward. so far ive figured ill run 5.0 stang spindles,11"mark7 rotors for five lug,and mustang lower control arms.
I've never had any issues with 96-98 spindles and stock replacement tie rod ends. Just get a set of MM C/Cs, and alignment and set of their rack bushings (cheap and you will be in the neighborhood) and you "should" be all set.
1BDBIRD,
The only issue I had with the Mark VII brakes up front is that you have a very limited selection of wheels to choose from with that hub design. The SN95 design has a much larger wheel selection but I think we have talked about this in another thread.
Darren
Yes wheel selection is limited!!! I sold my bullits and going with cobra r's or y2k's, they have enough hub room. But maybe i'll try 96-98 stuff,i turned a set down for $125 for spindles,rotors,ect.. good price or NO!!!!
If you are referring to the five lug Cobra R wheels then they will not fit with the Mark VII front hubs as I tried to fit a set up on my Coupe when it had the Mark VII hubs. I am also pretty sure the Y2K's will not fit either as they are for the same hub design. I ran the 94-97 Cobra wheels with the Mark VII hubs. Wheels like on the 97 GT will physically bolt up to the Mark VII hubs but the center cover will not fit due to the wider design of the spindle. Some have claimed they have removed the dust cap and they have fit but I only saw that happen on a car that was also using spacers.
I have purchased several sets of take offs for the SN95 cars for $100 to $150 and the ones at $150 came with the struts even though I did not want them but that is how they sold them. So it was strut, spindle, rotor, caliper, caliper soft line, and the castle nut per side.
Darren
If anyone here has done the 96-98 sn95 brake setup i would like to see pics of it. i mess around with the fox mustangs and had a 96-98 set up on my gt and it made my wheels stick out like a inch on both sides... if the 96-98 set up will work on my 88 tc thats cool cause i have a complete setup in my shop! but just interested to see how that setup works on the tc... any insite on this would be great!
It WILL work, but it also WILL make your front track width increase, as you've already found out on your GT.
94-94 spindles: work great, minimal width increase.
96+ spindles: will work, occasional bumpsteer issue, noticeable track width increase..
Survey says: 94-95 spindles FTM-FW
There's a '94 GT in the boneyard I usually go to. 5.0/5 speed car. I saw it a month ago then kept going. I'm staying with 4 lug for quite some time.I have a few more engine things I want to do,then maybe someday I'll go 5 lug,but for now,the 4 lug is doing all I need it to do,and the Sport stops well. But one day,I would do the swap.
The increase in track width is 8mm (0.3125" or 5/16") per side using the 96+ spindles. This has been very well documented on several of the Mustang sites. I have the 96+ spindles on my 83 T-Bird and my 93 Coupe and it was a minimal increase to say the least. Granted I have tubular K-members on both cars but I don't think either on of them changed the track width of the car. Here is a shot of the car from the side and you can see that the wheels are about even with the fenders.
(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy142/dbrune_83/IMG_0074.jpg)
Darren
That's not bad at all. What width are your front wheels?
I believe they are a stock offset (30mm) 17 X 8 Bullitt replica wheel with 245/40/17's. I can check on the offset when I get home to be 100% sure.
Darren
Just as a follow-up to this, I have a set of '94 spindles, hubs, calipers, and rotors sitting on the floor of my shop in front of the Bird. Thanks Vinnie.
A little cleaning and painting, some balljoints and tie rod ends, and a few hours, it'll be all back together.
Does anyone know off-hand of the brake hoses (TC replacement) will fit the '94-'95 calipers, or will I need an adapter fitting?
I'm finally finishing up this swap on my car. Check Maximum Motorsports. They have the brakelines, proportioning valve eliminator kit, adjustable proportioning valve...all the stuff you need to do it right without trying to figure it out on your own. As I've learned the hard way, these cars are all different. Many things I was supposed to encounter, I didn't... and several things that were supposed to work correctly, didn't.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2/grizzly_011/DSC01063.jpg)
If you use the front soft lines for a 94-04 Mustang and it can be a V6, GT, or Cobra. You will need an adapter on the passenger side which is a Weatherhead 7828 fitting that most parts stores carry. If you want to go the SS braided lines then get the ones from Maximum and you do not need the adapter on the passenger side.
Darren
are you putting your 5 lug stuff into the top secret car?
If I can get my ducks in a row soon, I just might. Would be really neat to do them both in 5 lug, but I can only work over one of them for now...I still need to find some wiring for the secret car, but everything else, I can borrow from the Sport if need be...