General => Lounge => Topic started by: 20thanniver-ls on October 10, 2010, 04:13:27 PM
Title: It's finally over!
Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 10, 2010, 04:13:27 PM
I have been living in my current house for over three years. My street is a dead-end street with 4 houses on it in close proximity to each other. I have neighbors across the street (the street is 10ft. wide MAX) who continue to want to start trouble. Calling the cops on me and my family and arguing back and forth, about nothing. Threatening my kids and wife, me, my dogs, saying vulgar things to 8,10,and 11 year old kids. It is seeming like the choas has no end.
It is mostly the mother of the three children that live over there who starts the trouble. Then one of the daughter's (who is 16 BTW) chimes in and yells and bullies my kids. I have gone to the police on several occasions, and since they beleive nothing "criminal" is going on, they can't do anything about it. Police come out here at least once a week and are really getting tired of the BS that happens, but I don't know how to stop it. We have tried ignoring them, but that seems to egg them omn even more.
Now, I talked to one of the Sargeants at my PD and he has told me that she has been doing this to people for 13 years. I tracked down the person who owned my house before me, and he had the same problems.
Now, I am not saying that I never say anything and I'm just the perfect citizen, because I sure am not.
When it comes to the kids not being able to play outside, or me not wanting to go fix up my car, because of havingto deal with all this, something's gotta be done. I feel like a prisoner in my own home.
We (my wife and I) are at the point now where we are going to let the bank forclose on our house and just move out. We have tried selling for over a year with no luck. I can't afford to pay rent on another house and pay for this one. It seems I am running out of options.
Sorry for the long rant, but I don't really know what to do. If one of you guys were in a tight spot like this, what would you do?
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Post by: hypostang on October 10, 2010, 04:21:08 PM
Big fences make for good neighbors?
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Post by: RunninWild on October 10, 2010, 04:33:40 PM
Rocket launcher.
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Post by: Scott D on October 10, 2010, 04:40:57 PM
Rather than foreclosure, see if the bank will do a short sale on the house. That might help you guys move out of there, sooner.
Where were you looking to move to?
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Post by: Ductape91 on October 10, 2010, 04:55:29 PM
dont let the house go(quit paying and forclose) if your planning on moving, that will follow you around for a long time. trust me.
do your neighbors own thier home or rent? are you aware of the laws and such of your township(assuming you live in one)? you got a security camera and a vcr?(if not they are 20 bucks at harbour frieght)
just a piece of advice, if you live in a glass house dont throw stones at your neighbors, they may throw them back.
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Rocket launcher.
this is exactly why i hate seeing threads like this :/
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 10, 2010, 04:57:29 PM
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Where were you looking to move to?
Anywhere but here LOL Really though, looking to move closer to Nashville, where I work. Robertson/Cheatham county (and they don't have emissions testing;) ) Bank won't do a short sale, not a lot of people want a 532 sq. ft. house with an unfinished basp00get.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 10, 2010, 05:00:50 PM
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dont let the house go(quit paying and forclose) if your planning on moving, that will follow you around for a long time. trust me.
do your neighbors own thier home or rent? are you aware of the laws and such of your township(assuming you live in one)? you got a security camera and a vcr?(if not they are 20 bucks at harbour frieght)
just a piece of advice, if you live in a glass house dont throw stones at your neighbors, they may throw them back.
this is exactly why i hate seeing threads like this :/
Not too sire on their sutuation, I know they don't own, the owner of the house owes a lot of back taxes on the home (anda bunch of other rental properties as well) and the county took it, how they are still living there I don't know, but they have been living there almost 15 years.
Have a camera, showed cops the stuff, but lke I said before, according to them they aren't doing anything criminal. Don't live in a township, live within the city limits, sooo, city law applies.
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 10, 2010, 05:20:37 PM
Work on your car,o you're own thing. If they are yelling,let them yell. She may be wanting to upset you, and when it does,she wins. What can she do toy you? If she damages your property, or if they even touch you or a family member, you have them. You could always tell the police you and your family feel threatened, make sure everything is written up and on the record. In a sense, the police work for you, and the community. Put them to work. Don't accept "no" as an answer. Make sure that you and yours are doing what you need to do (not disturbing the neighborhood,noise,etc.). As stated above,if you're bothering them,there's not much you can say when they bother you. What usually starts this behavior from them? What reason would they call the police on you? What kind of threats are they making? I feel there may be more to the story that we're not hearing. Report the daughter to the police as a bully (good timing with it in the news so much lately),and be assertive.
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Post by: Beau on October 10, 2010, 05:33:43 PM
So there's probably no homeowner's association, either?
Don't really have any ideas other than moving, which you've already thought of. Hate to think of anyone letting their home go and having bad credit just because of idiot neighbors, but if you're moving, or plan to soon, that may be a painful but feasible option...IF you can find a place to rent long-term, or otherwise not be left in the cold, home-wise.
I guess maybe a short consultation with some attorney who is well versed in your city's laws might be the first step I'd take.
And I'd think that if the owner of the house was in arrears over back taxes, they'd (the city) be in a hurry to seize it, sell, and recoup that money.
Wish I had a better idea or an option.. :punchballs:
Good luck though.:bowdown:
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Post by: CoogarXR on October 10, 2010, 06:19:26 PM
Me, I would probably go over and talk to them. Tell them the ol' "why can't we just get along" jazz. Sometimes people just are incompatible though... Sometimes people are just plain nuts too. If all else fails, and you want to do something perfectly legal, but drastic:
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the owner of the house owes a lot of back taxes on the home (and a bunch of other rental properties as well) and the county took it...
Look the house up on the county auditor's website, make sure who owns it. If the county actually does own it (which they usually don't, they seize it and sell it at sheriff sale to another slumlord), notify them that there are squatters on the premises.
Or, find out how much the county would sell it for. Buy a prepaid cellphone, and list the house for sale on craigslist. Act as a broker and sell it. I have seen many ads that say "unable to show inside, dwelling is occupied, please do not disturb tennants". You might even make a couple bucks on the deal.
That's one drastic way.
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Post by: daminc on October 10, 2010, 06:22:36 PM
how much are the back taxes? if you can pay them (one way or another), you may be able to buy it from the bank for that price....then tell them to leave after you own it, then rent it out after you do some fixin up.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 10, 2010, 06:22:58 PM
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Work on your car,o you're own thing. If they are yelling,let them yell. She may be wanting to upset you, and when it does,she wins. What can she do toy you? If she damages your property, or if they even touch you or a family member, you have them. You could always tell the police you and your family feel threatened, make sure everything is written up and on the record. In a sense, the police work for you, and the community. Put them to work. Don't accept "no" as an answer. Make sure that you and yours are doing what you need to do (not disturbing the neighborhood,noise,etc.). As stated above,if you're bothering them,there's not much you can say when they bother you. What usually starts this behavior from them? What reason would they call the police on you? What kind of threats are they making? I feel there may be more to the story that we're not hearing. Report the daughter to the police as a bully (good timing with it in the news so much lately),and be assertive.
You are right, there are certain things of the story I have left out. Back when we first moved in, our kids and their kids (remember now, mine are 8, 10, and 11, theirs are 14,16,and 17) would fight a lot, and our youngest liked to throw rocks. Well, he ended up breaking a window, (which was fully repaired by me at no cost to them) and after that, it was one argument after another, by both of our households. Now, we keep a keen eye on the kids and what they are doing and who they are talking to, and have fully ignored them for the past 4 or 5 months, hoping the problem would just stop. One of the culprits (neigbors) being my younger brother (who is now 21) whom I had to kick out of my house about a year ago for a lot of bad reasons - he was into a lot of bad stuff (robbing homes, doing drugs, etc) and I could not have that in my house with my kids. He is actually dating the 16 yo daughter.(which apparently is not illegal here - I tried) When this happened, he went to go live with them, and thats when stuff really got bad. I'm not sure why. Yes, when they yell, I used to yell, and show my ass just as much as they would. But I have stopped for some time now, just learning to ignore anything they say. I am not saying I have never done anything to them, as far as yelling and name calling and whatnot, but never once have I threatened them or damaged their property. One weekend, I took the family camping (thispast 4th of July, I beleive) and came home to an egged house, and car, and a broken window. I could not prove it was them, so the cops could do nothing. They must thrive on drama.
As far as the cops go...... All of the PD knows all of us by a first name basis, and are fully aware of what goes on here all the time, and quite frankly, they are sick of coming out here for this BS. But, I had a warrant put out for my brother (which really pained me to do) for domestic assault for when he picked up my son by his shirt and pushed him on the ground. Tomorrow we have to go in front of a judge to get a petition of arrest (or something like that) for the 16 y.o daughter who punched my youngest in the eye some time ago (again, the cops didn't see it, so they can do nothing - thats what they tell us) because she's a minor. But all this has just made stuff worse, it seems. The mother, is planning something, while outside working on my Mark today I could barely overhear her saying something on the phone, but I couldn't exactly make out exactly what she was saying. God only knows what she's thinking about now.
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Post by: Scott D on October 10, 2010, 06:44:07 PM
I may know some people with the Clarksville PD. Would you like me to get them in touch with you, or you in touch with them?
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 10, 2010, 06:59:52 PM
Chances are they know what is going on here
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 10, 2010, 08:00:31 PM
Well,perhaps,as already stated, you just need to suck it up, go knock on the door pleasently and ask to talk.It could be that they ythink the same thing about you,and you two need to find a middle ground. You may be surprised (or may not),but you need to try.Perhaps you two just need to understand where each other is coming from.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 10, 2010, 08:20:37 PM
I have tried many times. I start to walk over there to talk things out, and she starts yelling and threatening to call the cops and blah blah blah. I would love nothing more than to talk to her as one adult to another, come up with a rational solution, and end all the madness. I have even tried to talk to her old man, and when I do, she flips out on him for talking to me. It's insane.
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Post by: Beau on October 10, 2010, 08:20:53 PM
While this isn't exactly related to your case, there was a thread awhile back on the corral about a feller who owned a house, "sold" it to some less-than-stellar folks who put him off numerous times for the money. While he moved away out west, they pretty well trashed the place...when he went back east evict them, they burned it.
Since I've read more about this, I'd first go have a heart-to-heart with these folks and see if some middle ground can be reached.
Not pick on your brother, but if he was on drugs, no telling how bad he may have amplified the situation. Then again, if they knowingly let him *date* their 16 year old, legal or not, that to me shows some bona fide stupidity on their part.
I'd not mess around with cops anymore unless you can catch them doing vandalism, or prove that they did.
Get ahold of tax officer, or find who really owns the house, and see if they will do something..
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 10, 2010, 08:48:21 PM
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Not pick on your brother, but if he was on drugs, no telling how bad he may have amplified the situation. Then again, if they knowingly let him *date* their 16 year old, legal or not, that to me shows some bona fide stupidity on their part
Yep. Very true. And she was only 14 when they starting *dating* He is my brother, but makes me sick.
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I'd not mess around with cops anymore unless you can catch them doing vandalism, or prove that they did.
I am never the one who calls them, aside from when the egged my shiznit and broke my window. I feel cops could make better use of their time than to deal with this .
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Post by: Ether947 on October 10, 2010, 08:59:32 PM
I am in a similar situation. Neighbors are basically being d-bags, kid can't go out and play anymore. No cops called yet, but the situation is definitely tense. We don't own our home but we have thought about walking away or trying to renegotiate our lease. If it were just me and the wife, we could tough it out no problem. But as a parent I feel it is my job to provide the best environment possible, and this definitely isn't it.
Right now I am at my threshold of remaining at this property... Legally.
Only you can decide when you have exceeded yours.
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Post by: cugrhntr on October 10, 2010, 09:55:45 PM
I am not sure what you have locally for laws, in canada we have a law where no person shall prohibite another person from legal use of property which they are legally allowed to use. I had a simular situation years ago, everytime that i would go outside to work on my car my neighbours would start yelling profanities at me with my kids sitting right there. I would invite people over for a couple drinks and quietly chat around a bonfire and they would sit outside with thier car sound systems (subs amps the whole 9 yards) and just crank it at like 11pm. I can honestly say that i had never done anything to instigate this. I made a call to a guy I know on the local pd and he came and laid charges because thier behaviour was prohibative of me enjoying legal activities on property that I had legal access too.
I cant remember the section of our criminal code but i would see if you have a simular charge and deffinatly make it known to the police if you even feel slightly threatened for yourself or your family.
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Post by: EricCoolCats on October 10, 2010, 11:38:21 PM
Wow, that sucks.
My folks had to get into it with one of our neighbors because their dog just. Would. Not. Stop. Barking. The poor thing had no food or water, no shelter, and was left tied to a stake on a short leash while the homeowners rode all over the region on their motorcycle. Not the dog's fault, but nothing any reasonable human should expect to listen to all day. Fortunately it was all taken care of through the police department, who told the neighbors that my folks were right, and if they had to come out one more time, the barking dog's owner would get a hefty fine. They kept the dog in the house the rest of the summer. This was last year. This year, it appears they're getting ready to sell the house as they've filled several dumpsters already. Only heard the dog once. We were as civil to them as we could be, but enough is enough.
Now this whole sitcheeashun y'all got going on down there in Tenn...if it were me, I'd try to located a concentrated EMP generator and aim it at their house at 4 am. Fry every piece of electronics in their house, and their car's computer. You could easily feign ignorance. That would be totally delicious.
Do those even exist? I don't know for sure. Just saying, it would be like, totally rocking if you could do that.
Or, I would get one of those outdoor speakers that look like a rock, and put 3 or 4 of them facing the neighbors. Then hook them to a stereo on the inside of the house. And on that stereo, I would burn a CD and put it in the player, on an endless loop, 24/7. And on that CD, I would place audio files in the upper frequency band that only young people can hear. That will drive the kids over there totally bonkers. Maybe even the dog too. And if they call the police (eventually), you could say, "Officer, there's nothing on this CD. Listen." And he, of course, would not be able to hear it. And you would get away with it and keep doing it.
I'm one for a subtle kind of revenge. ;)
Anyway, I'm not seeming to bring anything constructive to the table here, but I hope that you can somehow figure out a way to either co-exist or sell the house.
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Post by: Beau on October 11, 2010, 01:14:54 AM
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a concentrated EMP generator.
I'm one for a subtle kind of revenge. ;)
A nuke also has EMP discharges, and whatever survives that be will melted, vaporized, or irradiated to hell and gone....I hear the US Air Force has a few somewhere...lol
If I ever move to a town (god help us if that happens) and get a shiznitty neighbor, I'll be messaging you for more idears lol :hick:
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Post by: Davemutt on October 11, 2010, 11:03:52 AM
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We (my wife and I) are at the point now where we are going to let the bank forclose on our house and just move out. We have tried selling for over a year with no luck. I can't afford to pay rent on another house and pay for this one. It seems I am running out of options.
Sorry for the long rant, but I don't really know what to do. If one of you guys were in a tight spot like this, what would you do?
Foreclosure may actually be your best option as real estate is going nowhere but down for the next ten years or so. If you can rent for less, it probably makes sense. But, please see a real estate lawyer before you do this.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 11, 2010, 01:48:49 PM
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Foreclosure may actually be your best option as real estate is going nowhere but down for the next ten years or so. If you can rent for less, it probably makes sense. But, please see a real estate lawyer before you do this.
The house isn't worth much. The county asesses the value (property value) at like 19,500. We paid 29,900 for the house with 2000 down and 10% interest (was kind of like an owner finance thing, then after a year the loan was sold to a bank) - I bought the house right after I turned 19 and had (and still have) not bad credit, but no credit. It's looking more and more like we are just going to move out. There's no point in owning a home where you will never be happy in. The neighbors aren't going anywhere, so I think the best choice is for us to get out. We are going to try to find a rental home cheap enough for us to pay both notes, but that is very unlikey (the note on my home isn't very much, $347 a month PITI but for a good rental home in a nicer area will be a lot more). I will be calling a real estate lawyer later on today to find out exactly what will happen. It's sucks, but it's just time for me to throw in the towel. :toilet:
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 11, 2010, 02:49:44 PM
Just spoke to a Real Estate Attorney. I have basically 2 options. I can hire an Attorney and pay them $150 an hour to go to court and file an injunction on the neighbors, which pretty much (as the lawyer explained to me) is we all go to court and have a judge hear the case, the judge tells the neighbors what they aren't allowed to do to us, and if they break the injunction they face serious fines/jail time. Option 2: Move the hell out. Have a foreclosure on my credit for several years. This will not stop me from buying a home in the future, it will make it harder, with a higher interest rate.
I think we are going with option 2. This just isn't the house for us. I know I will have to work extra hard for my family to buy another house, but that is what I am willing to do for their happiness. Young kids should not be objected to what these kids have heard/been through.
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Post by: Haystack on October 12, 2010, 02:11:51 AM
Do 1, but show up yourself. Just study the laws and similar cases. The law will generally side with the voice of reason. Honestly, if it were me, I could't tell you what I would do.
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Post by: Blackout on October 12, 2010, 05:16:45 AM
I had an issue like this once, with neighbors at an apartment complex.
I was constantly getting into arguments over their loud music, disrespectful attitudes, and bullying of my daughter. I found a sure way to solve it.
I started cleaning my guns outside, on teh porch. When you have a few handguns, a mossburg 12 gauge, a tricked out AR-15, and a can of ammo next to you..... people tend to not cross you. I kid you not, the first of the month after seeing me do that, they LEFT. And BOY, was it quiet in that last month they were there!
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Post by: Blackout on October 12, 2010, 05:17:43 AM
And I made SURE that my 150lb rot/pit mix was standing right next to me.... just in case they got any ideas about robbing my place of the guns. :)
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Post by: Kitz Kat on October 12, 2010, 06:16:57 PM
I'm not in to fraud,but in this case burn it down,and leave the evidence on there property. collect the insurance and get away.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 12, 2010, 07:16:07 PM
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I'm not in to fraud,but in this case burn it down,and leave the evidence on there property. collect the insurance and get away.
Honestly Kitz, I have mulled that over for about a year or so. I know the first "suspects" would be them. It seems it would be easy. But,,,, I just can't do it. I've been raised to do the right thing and that would seriously bother me, even though I would LOOOOVE to.
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Post by: Thunderhawk on October 12, 2010, 08:14:45 PM
You should go with option 1. Take it to court and fight for what is right! If you run away, you'll regret it forever. Not to mention, if you leave, who else are these people going to harass? And for what? As long as no one calls the bullies bluff, the longer they think they are invincible. Fight for what is right! If you lose then, at least you can walk away with your head held high.
BTW, if it was my brother adding to this , I'd beat his ass down.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 12, 2010, 08:45:58 PM
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BTW, if it was my brother adding to this , I'd beat his ass down
I can't. Well, I can, but what will that help? He will find a way to hurt me worse than a fight (i.e slashing my brand new tires, something like that). And I also have taken police reports to the city Magistrate and she put out a warrant for his arrest and the mother and daughter now have a court date based on all the police reports we took with us.
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Post by: jangus on October 13, 2010, 12:36:39 AM
Keep them under legal pressure and they tend to shut up real fast. No one really likes to pay fines or go to jail. However, if they continued to use vulgar language towards/in front of my children, I'd look at some additional avenues. Some states/locales rate that as child abuse.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 13, 2010, 12:47:13 AM
My brother is arrested as of 9:14 this evening.....
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Post by: jrad235 on October 13, 2010, 08:22:39 AM
1 Down, 2 to go! I seriously hope this works out for you man.
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Post by: RunninWild on October 13, 2010, 08:47:51 AM
I'd say fight it in court too, but I understand about your kids man. I have a little 19 month old girl, and I think in your situation, I'd have to leave too...
But, since it is entirely their fault that you have to leave, why not go back after you've moved out, and start a little ruckus? Give it about 2-3 months, so they'll be somewhat unsuspecting, and seek your revenge. Then, give it another month or two, and hit 'em again. I'm not saying to do anything too detrimental, but give em a little scare. Maybe after a few times of doing this, you'll see a for sale sign in their front yard.
Good luck man. And at least you still have the rumble of a small block Ford to keep a smile on your face.
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on October 13, 2010, 11:48:30 AM
I like Eric's ideas... oh and the one about the cleaning of guns on the front porch... I would also do some target practicing (if you have room for it safely)....but then again, I am a good shot...and I would make sure they knew it too. :D
BTW, do you know what happens when a dog 'accidentally' drinks anti-freeze?
....just sayin'.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 13, 2010, 12:07:07 PM
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BTW, do you know what happens when a dog 'accidentally' drinks anti-freeze?
....just sayin'.
As much as I don't like them, I couldn't hurt an animal like that, hell, they have about 9 dogs, but they don't bother me one bit.
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Post by: Beau on October 13, 2010, 12:21:07 PM
The property damage/animal abuse/etc is shiznit. Sometimes fighting fire with fire is not the best answer. Would you like if your dog was poisoned?
The gun cleaning things is fine and good, I'd highly recommend that...provided you are legal and all ;)
It's when people damage others' property to "get back" at them, it makes me wanna just bust someone's head with a croquet mallet...just like Shane did on Weeds...but oh well, shiznit happens I reckon. :hick:
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Post by: Scott D on October 13, 2010, 07:23:12 PM
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BTW, do you know what happens when a dog 'accidentally' drinks anti-freeze?
....just sayin'.
that's some sorry assed, low down shiznit, and anybody that does something like that deserves a good, old fashioned Tennessee gravel bath, IMO.
I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on October 16, 2010, 05:47:52 PM
I'm not saying I condone injuring animals, however, if it was a situation where someone was being threatened by one (especially my kids) , I would definitely do something to stop it.... whatever it took.
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Post by: 1Bad88tbird on October 17, 2010, 09:35:37 AM
I'm sorry to hear all the trouble they're causing you. Maybe all the legal pressure will cause them to stop what they're doing and chill or move. It would be nice if you could do as mentioned and buy thier house for the owed taxes and put them out but then you have to deal with squaters rights. I do think you can do something legally about the bullying though, also as mentioned that's in the spot light right now.
I really hope you find a solution. It just sucks for you to be the one to move and not the trouble makers.
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Post by: jcassity on October 17, 2010, 12:40:04 PM
of the nearly 50 replies, i cant seem to count but less than a dozen that have any real answer.
-lets clean our guns so they can see= perfect advice except for one reply to it. There is nothing illeagal in any state on guns that require paperwork. I have several and none of them are registered from the hand guns to the rifles. IE- my guns were given to me so that make me a special condition under the law.
-lets poison the dogs= yep thats a solution especially from a so called animal lover who apparently takes donations to protect animals. thanks for yet another confirmation that the liberals are the real exreamists.
-Lets jump on the bully band wagon= Really now, of course thats whats going on right now, its coming up on election time eh? Seriously, join the ambulance chasers and work that popular idea for what its worth. Jump on the band schlongon of the other cooches who cant figure out what to do other than work a popular media topic in thier favor so people will feel sorry for them. serously, bullies have been around since the dawn of time, just deal with it. When you kids have a problem with them, then do what we all use to do ,, the parents would confront eachother in terms that suited the situation. I got into fights,, you got into fights, bullies picked on me and hell, i did a little picking on myself. Why uset he long arm of the law to track down this stuipid . Wonder why people say "and were were the cops when we needed them?". The cops were over there sorting out drama over this . This whole bully-ing is for the people who think its the gov'ts and police's job to take over everthing including name calling. stupid.
-running a cd with the high frequency= interesting and could be entertaining. wonder if her kids will end up driving her nuts.
-buy the house on back tax= yep that will work, sure. Just think of it like this,, ask around and see if anyone would like to live in your neighborhood. Theres a reason why people gravitate to low cost areas,, and 8 out of 10 of the families are takers and not makers. The takers are taking over and we are doing a good enough job now enabling them without giving more which leads me to my next point....
-sweetly or nicely talk to them= yeah and you havent already seen that people like this take kindness for weakness? Nope, I wouldnt talk to them..which brings me to my advice.................
Get your concealed weapons permit and then you can introduce a glimps of it if required just to send an unspoken message.
The universe has an odd way of sending messages and you probably have known for a long time your not happy. The universe has probably been screaming at you in various ways for years now that you really dont belong there and you should have already moved or found a place in the country by now and you have "let" time march on and ignored your correct path. Get out of there. My advice in the meantime is this: At Tiger direct dot com , i just saw where they have a night vision / day 4 camera system that records on dvr for about 250bux. Get that and set it up.
Go about your normal routine and perhaps even make it obvious your going away with the family. Let them vandal your home / cars ect for a couple of times then take that to court.
Another thing,, find out how much your property would be worth without a house. Sometimes clean land is worth more than one with a house no one wants.
Talk to another owner who has land attached to yours and see if they would like to purchase the property just for land value. If they are interested then go to the fire dept and have your home burned to the ground by the fire dept for training purposes. They do it here in WV and you can simply pay them a donation and they do a controlled burn. ONce done, the deed to the land is signed over to the other party and they pay you for the land. Take a small loss on the total value and your down the road with an outstanding debt with your lender which is the small difference. You dont have to forclose and you walk away with probably 10k in debt if not less.
another thing to do is to find out who your allies are on the street, and if you have none, then thats another reason to move on.
sounds like you have a lot of drama going on and its doing nothing for you or your focus on the important stuff like i even had to say that.
Its a buyers market out there right now man,,, think about that for a minute but get it while the gettin is good. Be careful not to look at property that historically has top end property tax just due to location. The market will come back and when it does, you will find yourself in a location that is a time bomb waiting to go off. Just dont put yourself in a home thats going to put you out later due to taxation.
There is no diplomatic way out of this, the mother is likely the root of the situation and she probably bends her hubby over in the bedroom. There are control freaks out there who want total domain over everything. Shes probably disgusted with herself and she makes sure everyone around her is miserable including her neighbors.
the one piece of advice i can think of is the raise your standard of living by doing what your gut tells you is right. Moving away isnt a loss, its a message that will ring loud and clear as your kids and wife refer back to the day when "papa just got sick and tired of it and we moved". I wouldnt waste my time dickin around with "winning". These friggin people dont win anything, they just encourage drama and live off the fat of the land and my taxs. Your reputation is on the line here no matter how you dice it. I wouldnt bother wasting my time competing with these idiots either,, like what do they have that you want to compete with so bad? They have nothing and you do,, you have a stable job and are earning your way though hard times and therfore you are a "Maker" and not a "Taker".
Title: It's finally over!
Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 17, 2010, 06:19:43 PM
Quote from: jcassity;339777
There is no diplomatic way out of this, the mother is likely the root of the situation and she probably bends her hubby over in the bedroom. There are control freaks out there who want total domain over everything. Shes probably disgusted with herself and she makes sure everyone around her is miserable including her neighbors.
Scott, you are exactly right. The mother is the root of these problems. One of our other neighbors (one of my Wife's friends, lives right beside us) is moving out, today actually, because of the mother starting on her as well. She is one of those types of people that if you don't "join" her (i.e being her so-called friend and engage in making life miserable for others) she makes shiznit miserable for you. End of story.
Quote from: jcassity;339777
the one piece of advice i can think of is the raise your standard of living by doing what your gut tells you is right. Moving away isnt a loss, its a message that will ring loud and clear as your kids and wife refer back to the day when "papa just got sick and tired of it and we moved". I wouldnt waste my time dickin around with "winning". These friggin people dont win anything, they just encourage drama and live off the fat of the land and my taxs. Your reputation is on the line here no matter how you dice it. I wouldnt bother wasting my time competing with these idiots either,, like what do they have that you want to compete with so bad? They have nothing and you do,, you have a stable job and are earning your way though hard times and therfore you are a "Maker" and not a "Taker".
Exactly. They have no drive to want a better life and would rather live off of welfare and foodstamps than make a real attempt at a decent life, which I have never been able to understand why people are like that. It baffles me, laziness I guess??
Well, I do. I want to provide the best for my family as I can, and as happily and comfortably as i can. Thats what I am going to do. We are going to try our hardest to stay out of debt, (It's not like we own a 180,000 dollar house, we owe roughly 24,000) but it's not my main concern right now. Getting out of here is. It will take about a month of saving before we are (financially) ready to move, but the end is near.
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Post by: tirefryr on October 17, 2010, 09:56:56 PM
Quote from: jcassity;339777
of the nearly 50 replies, i cant seem to count but less than a dozen that have any real answer.
-lets clean our guns so they can see= perfect advice except for one reply to it. There is nothing illeagal in any state on guns that require paperwork. I have several and none of them are registered from the hand guns to the rifles. IE- my guns were given to me so that make me a special condition under the law.
-lets poison the dogs= yep thats a solution especially from a so called animal lover who apparently takes donations to protect animals. thanks for yet another confirmation that the liberals are the real exreamists.
-Lets jump on the bully band wagon= Really now, of course thats whats going on right now, its coming up on election time eh? Seriously, join the ambulance chasers and work that popular idea for what its worth. Jump on the band schlongon of the other cooches who cant figure out what to do other than work a popular media topic in thier favor so people will feel sorry for them. serously, bullies have been around since the dawn of time, just deal with it. When you kids have a problem with them, then do what we all use to do ,, the parents would confront eachother in terms that suited the situation. I got into fights,, you got into fights, bullies picked on me and hell, i did a little picking on myself. Why uset he long arm of the law to track down this stuipid . Wonder why people say "and were were the cops when we needed them?". The cops were over there sorting out drama over this . This whole bully-ing is for the people who think its the gov'ts and police's job to take over everthing including name calling. stupid.
-running a cd with the high frequency= interesting and could be entertaining. wonder if her kids will end up driving her nuts.
-buy the house on back tax= yep that will work, sure. Just think of it like this,, ask around and see if anyone would like to live in your neighborhood. Theres a reason why people gravitate to low cost areas,, and 8 out of 10 of the families are takers and not makers. The takers are taking over and we are doing a good enough job now enabling them without giving more which leads me to my next point....
-sweetly or nicely talk to them= yeah and you havent already seen that people like this take kindness for weakness? Nope, I wouldnt talk to them..which brings me to my advice.................
Get your concealed weapons permit and then you can introduce a glimps of it if required just to send an unspoken message.
The universe has an odd way of sending messages and you probably have known for a long time your not happy. The universe has probably been screaming at you in various ways for years now that you really dont belong there and you should have already moved or found a place in the country by now and you have "let" time march on and ignored your correct path. Get out of there. My advice in the meantime is this: At Tiger direct dot com , i just saw where they have a night vision / day 4 camera system that records on dvr for about 250bux. Get that and set it up.
Go about your normal routine and perhaps even make it obvious your going away with the family. Let them vandal your home / cars ect for a couple of times then take that to court.
Another thing,, find out how much your property would be worth without a house. Sometimes clean land is worth more than one with a house no one wants.
Talk to another owner who has land attached to yours and see if they would like to purchase the property just for land value. If they are interested then go to the fire dept and have your home burned to the ground by the fire dept for training purposes. They do it here in WV and you can simply pay them a donation and they do a controlled burn. ONce done, the deed to the land is signed over to the other party and they pay you for the land. Take a small loss on the total value and your down the road with an outstanding debt with your lender which is the small difference. You dont have to forclose and you walk away with probably 10k in debt if not less.
another thing to do is to find out who your allies are on the street, and if you have none, then thats another reason to move on.
sounds like you have a lot of drama going on and its doing nothing for you or your focus on the important stuff like i even had to say that.
Its a buyers market out there right now man,,, think about that for a minute but get it while the gettin is good. Be careful not to look at property that historically has top end property tax just due to location. The market will come back and when it does, you will find yourself in a location that is a time bomb waiting to go off. Just dont put yourself in a home thats going to put you out later due to taxation.
There is no diplomatic way out of this, the mother is likely the root of the situation and she probably bends her hubby over in the bedroom. There are control freaks out there who want total domain over everything. Shes probably disgusted with herself and she makes sure everyone around her is miserable including her neighbors.
the one piece of advice i can think of is the raise your standard of living by doing what your gut tells you is right. Moving away isnt a loss, its a message that will ring loud and clear as your kids and wife refer back to the day when "papa just got sick and tired of it and we moved". I wouldnt waste my time dickin around with "winning". These friggin people dont win anything, they just encourage drama and live off the fat of the land and my taxs. Your reputation is on the line here no matter how you dice it. I wouldnt bother wasting my time competing with these idiots either,, like what do they have that you want to compete with so bad? They have nothing and you do,, you have a stable job and are earning your way though hard times and therfore you are a "Maker" and not a "Taker".
Effing epic!!!!:bowdown:
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Post by: Wingnutt on November 09, 2010, 06:09:56 PM
A long round about getting rid of them has sorta been touched on. Buy that house for back taxes, then either 1) call the cops on them for trespassing and squatting or 2) raise the rent high enough so that there is no way they can afford it along with about $1g security deposit all due within 30 days...one month later when they haven't paid, start the eviction process. Then sale the house for enough to pay off the loan for the taxes + a bit for your trouble.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on November 09, 2010, 06:21:36 PM
Honestly, as much as I would love to do that, I just can't afford/don't have good enough credit to do so. And the house looks to be in pretty rough shape so I doubt I would be able to sell it afterwards anyway...
I do have to go to court on the 6th of Dec. for incidents with my brother, and then again on the 13th of Dec. for his girlfriend (the minor) for vandalism (they egged my house and my car and shot fireworks at my house last 4th of July when I took the family camping) and assault (on my 8 year old stepson). We will see what happens after that.
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Post by: CoogarXR on November 09, 2010, 08:46:45 PM
Quote from: jcassity;339777
go to the fire dept and have your home burned to the ground by the fire dept for training purposes. They do it here in WV and you can simply pay them a donation and they do a controlled burn. .
Except "accidentally" give them the other people's house number... Whoops!
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Post by: Slinky on November 09, 2010, 09:31:25 PM
I would look into renting your home. Then you could move out and let someone else pay that mortgage for you.
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Post by: BadTriumph on November 10, 2010, 12:03:32 AM
Quote from: Slinky;341107
I would look into renting your home. Then you could move out and let someone else pay that mortgage for you.
This is probably the easiest way out without screwing your credit up. Surely you can get enough in rent to cover your payment. I would think the rental market is booming right now with all the mortgages that have tanked in the last couple years.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on December 06, 2010, 11:36:33 AM
Well, I just cam back from court today against my brother. He didn't show. He turned himself in on a previous warrant he had in another state this morning right before court. Judge ordered a capius (failure to appear warrant) against him. It was tough(emotionally) to go up in front of a judge against him, but it's tough love I guess and of course the wife and kids come first. Next Monday we will be back in Court for the girlfriend. Wonder how that will go.
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Post by: hypostang on December 06, 2010, 02:04:13 PM
Hang in there , I know it must be tough
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Post by: Bruce M on December 06, 2010, 04:30:59 PM
Quote from: BadTriumph;341140
This is probably the easiest way out without screwing your credit up. Surely you can get enough in rent to cover your payment. I would think the rental market is booming right now with all the mortgages that have tanked in the last couple years.
I agree. And after its paid for or after a couple years see if they want to buy it. If not put it up for sale after their lease is up.
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Post by: Bruce M on December 06, 2010, 04:34:30 PM
And if you can't speak to them face to face try to leave them a letter. You all don't have to like each other to live across the street from each other.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on December 06, 2010, 04:51:26 PM
Quote from: Bruce M;344735
And if you can't speak to them face to face try to leave them a letter. You all don't have to like each other to live across the street from each other.
I've actually done that, and got a pretty nasty one back. I've tried everything, believe me.
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Post by: Bruce M on December 06, 2010, 08:32:23 PM
Quote from: 20thanniver-ls;344739
I've actually done that, and got a pretty nasty one back. I've tried everything, believe me.
Thats a shame. People can be so hard headed.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on December 13, 2010, 03:19:56 PM
So today we went to court against the girlfriend (a minor) for assault and vandalism. What a waste of time. Before the case was even heard, the D.A and prosecutor pulled us aside, and told us that the judge had just about already made up his mind and that pretty much nothing was going to happen because it was her "first offense". Now, this is for a 16 year old girl punching a seven year old and giving him a black eye, and for egging my house and car while we were away camping. She got 20 hrs. community service. We had pictures, and witnesses ready to present everything and the judge acted like he didn't care to see it. I see now that it is most definitely not worth the time/trouble to go by law and the court system to get things done. I see why a lot of people take things into their own hands - because the law don't do shiznit. So basically, now, I am back to square one. It's only a matter of time before they start up again, probably today, and knowing nothing will ever be done just makes me insane.
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Post by: tbirdsps on December 13, 2010, 03:41:10 PM
If they are renting the house make the landlord's life miserable. Sue the landlord if necessary.
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Post by: 86XR7project on December 13, 2010, 09:38:07 PM
Personally I'd ignore em. If that didn't work Id be doing some absolutely evil shiznit in their direction. I'm just that kind of guy though...
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on December 13, 2010, 09:42:21 PM
I've only got to ignore them for a few more months, then it's moving time, completely out of this town. I think I can handle it, I was just very pissed off after court and the way they handled it. They will get what's coming to them someday.
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Post by: jcassity on December 14, 2010, 10:39:37 PM
well after hearing this, i would turn this into a project and take the judge to court.
A judge is not to think or have opinions but to interpert the law. Whitness the event of whom pulled you aside and who implied your not going to get anywhere.
This is one situation where the judge is wrong and a notice to the public in your local paper would not hurt a thing since im sure you will only state the facts to include your intent to persue his being relieved of his chair.
this is wrong.... you are right.
My recent "shell gas station" situation turned out very well thank you very much just incase you didnt know. It pays to stand your ground just as long as its obvious and unarguably (if thats a word) correct.
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Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on December 14, 2010, 11:22:00 PM
we're currently pressing charges on our previous neighbor for numerous things.. basically, through a turn of events, our neighbor caused us to lose our house through BS foreclosure.. this is why i want to live on a back road where you can't see any other houses for as far as the eye can see.. i was never a real people person ;)
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on December 15, 2010, 08:43:32 PM
Quote from: jcassity;345701
well after hearing this, i would turn this into a project and take the judge to court.
A judge is not to think or have opinions but to interpert the law. Whitness the event of whom pulled you aside and who implied your not going to get anywhere.
This is one situation where the judge is wrong and a notice to the public in your local paper would not hurt a thing since im sure you will only state the facts to include your intent to persue his being relieved of his chair.
this is wrong.... you are right.
My recent "shell gas station" situation turned out very well thank you very much just incase you didnt know. It pays to stand your ground just as long as its obvious and unarguably (if thats a word) correct.
What really pissed me off the most was the judge did not acknowledge what she did. He did not ask her why, did not tell her it was wrong, and most importantly,did not tell her it was against the law. I always thought assault was a pretty serious charge. She - a pretty much grown 16 year old girl - hits a little boy in the eye. Does anyone else not see the problem with that? Maybe I am the one that is crazy???? One thing that was brought up by their public defender was that they have lived in this town their whole life and I have lived here for only four years - that I was from a Northern state (I am originally from Boston, Mass.) - and I thought what the shag does have to do with anything?? I guess me being from the north was already one strike against me.....
As far as taking the judge to court,,, I don't know how well that would fare around here. He has been a judge for 30 something years and if I filed a complaint or went to the newspapers I feel I would probably get laughed at and be g in the wind. Somehow it just doesn't seem worth the time or headache.
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Post by: turbo_88_XR7 on December 15, 2010, 08:59:27 PM
Quote from: 20thanniver-ls;345825
I guess me being from the north was already one strike against me.....
yank :laughing: on a serious note, that's BS.. just because they've always lived their, doesn't mean they're not trouble makers
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Post by: hypostang on December 15, 2010, 09:26:36 PM
I promise being a Yankee didnt help you .. you know how I know that
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on February 25, 2011, 10:03:00 PM
So it is now official. As of tomorrow my address will be changed, and my head will be resting (very comfortably) in a new (old lol) house far away from where I am sitting now. Signed papers for the house today, and moved almost all of my stuff (minus my new TV lol). I am very relieved to be moving into the new house, not only because of the problems with the neighbors, but it is a whole hell of a lot bigger than my current 536 sq. ft. house. Oh and the best part................................ I now have a garage! Concrete floor and all lol. Still needs to be finished but most of the hard work is done. I also sold my current house to my dad, apparently it's sort of sentimental to him being the first house I ever bought. Perfect for him and my mom. Seems it's all working out for me...finally.
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Post by: 1Bad88tbird on February 25, 2011, 10:15:03 PM
Congrats!! I'm sure it's a huge relief for you. I just hope your parents don't have the same problems you had.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on February 25, 2011, 10:49:39 PM
Thank, I am very excited. As far as my parents, I don't think they will, honestly I think they will be best friends if anything.
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Post by: thewestie on February 25, 2011, 11:06:06 PM
Congrats on the garage cement floor is way better than asphalt or dirt.
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Post by: hypostang on February 25, 2011, 11:18:47 PM
Two words
WHOOO HOOOOOO!!!!!
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Post by: jcassity on February 26, 2011, 01:06:19 AM
yeah,, congrads for sure.
odd statement about your parents but , whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on February 26, 2011, 09:03:14 AM
Quote from: thewestie;353978
Congrats on the garage cement floor is way better than asphalt or dirt.
GRAVEL! I hated having to get underneath a car in my driveway, when I was done my back looked like I got 100 lashings with a whip lol.