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Technical => Drivetrain Tech => Topic started by: merccougar93 on August 14, 2010, 08:37:09 PM

Title: aod tranny question
Post by: merccougar93 on August 14, 2010, 08:37:09 PM
ive been looking through ebay for a few days and ive noticed that all of the aod trannys list from they fit all the way up to 92. Is there a difference between the 92 AODs and the 93s?
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: 85cougar on August 14, 2010, 08:43:36 PM
At some point they went to AOD-E PCM control trans. Perhaps this was the model year break? I'm sure somebody more knowledgeable will chime in.
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: merccougar93 on August 14, 2010, 08:45:47 PM
that was 94. cause the aode had the OD button on the shifter. i dont think there is a difference, i just dont wanna spend $$$ on something that wont fit when i cant afford to waste a few hundred really, if they wont fit, i might have enough to get the one i have rebuilt
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: Scott D on August 14, 2010, 09:03:31 PM
The MN-12 Cougars and T-Birds never got the AOD-E's, they were AOD from '89-93, then they got the fully electronic 4R70W for the final four years of production.
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: merccougar93 on August 14, 2010, 09:26:32 PM
ah, so would a listed 92 aod fit a 93?
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: Scott D on August 14, 2010, 09:31:04 PM
Quote from: merccougar93;331922
ah, so would a listed 92 aod fit a 93?

an AOD from an '82 would fit, and work, in a '93, so the '92 would work.
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: merccougar93 on August 14, 2010, 09:41:37 PM
i thought so, i just wanted to be 1000% sure.
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: merccougar93 on August 16, 2010, 04:00:41 PM
does the bell housing for a 302 fit the 232?
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: blu84302 on August 16, 2010, 10:22:11 PM
yep, should be the same.
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: merccougar93 on August 17, 2010, 09:49:28 AM
in that matter, would the whole transmission be the same?
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: Scott D on August 17, 2010, 12:15:18 PM
Quote from: merccougar93;332275
in that matter, would the whole transmission be the same?


'92 232 car using a '93 302 transmission and bell housing? It's just a matter of pulling the transmission from the V-8 and putting it in the V-6. Nothing to change.
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: sarjxxx on August 17, 2010, 04:38:25 PM
depends on the car. There are different levels of torque converters in the myriad v8 cars. However, this is backwards compatible, afaik there's no reason why you can't use a v8 trans in a v6, I just wouldn't go the other way.

So, pretty much any AOD from a fox car should fit. After that, things get tricky. But, like stated before, 89-93 MN12s should go in, I wouldn't fiddle with any SN95 trannys.

This was for my 88, but I think the information is the same for a 93:
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;324818
Any COLUMN shift AOD from another Bird/Coug 5.0/3.8 is as direct swap as  is the AOD from a Grand Marquis or Crown Vic(through '91)... The floor  shifter trannys use a different shift lever(could be swapped from your  old tranny, have to pull pan and I believe the valve body)... The pickup  and Lincoln MK-VII AODs are approx one inch longer, don't want one of  those... Forget the AODE as well(converters DO NOT interchange), it is  shifted by the EEC, ones from a 4.6 won't bolt up anyway...
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: sarjxxx on August 17, 2010, 04:41:34 PM
Quote from: Scott D;332286
'92 232 car using a '93 302 transmission and bell housing? It's just a matter of pulling the transmission from the V-8 and putting it in the V-6. Nothing to change.


Or, pulling the 302 and transmission and putting it in the v6 car!:rollin:
Might be a little more work though:rollin:
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: merccougar93 on August 17, 2010, 05:41:13 PM
yeah, i just wanted to be sure i could do it before i made plans on which way i would go. You know how things go sometimes when you "assume" things will work.
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: sarjxxx on August 17, 2010, 05:45:35 PM
Quote from: merccougar93;332306
yeah, i just wanted to be sure i could do it before i made plans on which way i would go. You know how things go sometimes when you "assume" things will work.

Oh do I!:toilet:
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: merccougar93 on August 17, 2010, 06:11:17 PM
it will be nice ince i get the tranny in, then the only thing over 2 yrs old will be the rear end, but wanting the rearend from a mark VIII. It will be there eventually:burnout:
Title: 4r70w?
Post by: merccougar93 on August 19, 2010, 06:11:53 PM
would the 4r70w work in place of the AOD without swapping computers or modifying anything?-in a 93 cat
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: sarjxxx on August 19, 2010, 06:48:47 PM
Noooo
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: merccougar93 on August 19, 2010, 07:04:22 PM
what i thought but read about some1 else doing it in a differnt forum, but they didnt list any details about it
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: Scott D on August 21, 2010, 04:25:05 PM
Quote from: sarjxxx;332300
Or, pulling the 302 and transmission and putting it in the v6 car!:rollin:
Might be a little more work though:rollin:


It'd be cheaper and easier to buy a V-8 car, if one was going that route :burnout:
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: Dan Nelson on August 21, 2010, 04:36:37 PM
is the 93 bird aod trans coputer controled, what about the speedomiter is it a cable or computer controled.
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: Scott D on August 21, 2010, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: Dan Nelson;332892
is the 93 bird aod trans computer controlled


negative, Ghost Rider
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: merccougar93 on August 21, 2010, 06:08:26 PM
well, once i sell my truck, ill know what ill do in the meantime
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: sarjxxx on August 22, 2010, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: Dan Nelson;332892
what about the speedomiter is it a cable or computer controled.

speedo uses an electronic speed sensor not a cable, I think '85 was the switchover year for that in the cat/birds
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: sarjxxx on September 10, 2010, 10:50:34 PM
Would it be possible to install a 4r70w in saaaay... a fox or an earlier mn-12 just by pulling the computer and running the necessary wires and harnesses to the transmission, and from the speed sensor? or speedometer or whatever it gets its information from...?

I realize the trans is computer controlled, but seriously, how much could there be to it? It seems like it could be done fairly easily to me.
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: hypostang on September 11, 2010, 10:20:31 AM
Quote from: sarjxxx;335231
Would it be possible to install a 4r70w in saaaay... a fox or an earlier mn-12 just by pulling the computer and running the necessary wires and harnesses to the transmission, and from the speed sensor? or speedometer or whatever it gets its information from...?

I realize the trans is computer controlled, but seriously, how much could there be to it? It seems like it could be done fairly easily to me.


Yes it can be done ...no it is not an easy swap... I  was just reading about this swap on a different forum and personally IMHO way too much modification for the gains
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: sarjxxx on September 11, 2010, 10:45:32 AM
Hmmm, well if it can be done, my stubborn ass will definitely want to consider it:D
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: sarjxxx on September 19, 2010, 05:09:34 AM
Just so you know, you can put an AOd in there no problem.

I was talking to a SC guy today, who swithced out his 4R70W and put in a AOd. He said there was nothing he had to change to get it tin there.

So, this means to me that anything out of a thunderbird or cougar, on or before your year, will go in your car. Whether it be AOdE, or plain ol AOd.
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: jcassity on September 19, 2010, 08:41:53 AM
Quote from: sarjxxx;332299
depends on the car. There are different levels of torque converters in the myriad v8 cars. However, this is backwards compatible, afaik there's no reason why you can't use a v8 trans in a v6, I just wouldn't go the other way.


actually you do want the later v6 aod over the v8 trans, especially for the aod behnd the super charged v6.
Title: aod tranny question
Post by: merccougar93 on September 19, 2010, 11:12:40 AM
its not a supercharged v6, and it is an AOD-but i dont have to look no more; i ended up having it rebuilt- its in the shop right now, should get it back tommorow or tuesday