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Title: Key retainer?
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on June 30, 2010, 10:00:45 AM
Can anyone tell me why Ford installed that mechanism (button) that you have to push up on to remove keys from the ignition of a Fox Body car?  I can't think of any benefits to having that on these cars.
Title: Key retainer?
Post by: EricCoolCats on June 30, 2010, 10:03:10 AM
It's for floor shift cars only. The theory was that it would make the driver take the key out of the ignition so nobody could accidentally put the car in gear with the floor shifter. Which, of course, can happen anyway. These were the days long before any kind of brake-shift interlock...Ford did what they thought was enough.
Title: Key retainer?
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on June 30, 2010, 10:07:42 AM
I'm a little confused here Eric.  Why would that mechanism make you want to take the keys out of the ignition?  It just adds another step to the process of taking the keys out.
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Post by: hypostang on June 30, 2010, 11:11:12 AM
It was also to keep the steering wheel from being locked ...so in theory IF the car was moved out of gear while not running it could still be steered
Title: Key retainer?
Post by: 5.0 tbird on June 30, 2010, 03:43:32 PM
^ That's it.

If for some reason you have to cut your engine off going down the road i.e. throttle sticks then it prevents your steering wheel from locking.
Title: Key retainer?
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on June 30, 2010, 03:57:39 PM
The iginition can be cut off without locking the steering, try it(in your driveway, it will lock if turned to the key removal position)...

I have mine tied up with a zip-tie inside the column, ain't in no mood to push a button...
Title: Key retainer?
Post by: Watchdevil on July 01, 2010, 01:22:30 AM
When I harvested the floor shifter from a pre-airbag Mark VII, I made sure I got that cable mechanism to install in place of the column shift shaft. Very simple install.

For cars with floor shifters they of course added the pushbutton. It is simply and upside down U shaped rod with the push button on one end while the other end engages the lock cylinder mechanism to keep it from locking the wheel. This can be added simply to any car if you are switching from an column mount to a floor mount shifter.

In a panic situation where you need to turn off the ignition, I feel comfortble with that safety feature being in place.

However with our automatic floor shifters, these were made before an interlock was required before you could shift the lever out of park.
Title: Ok
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on July 01, 2010, 09:29:09 AM
I see what you guys are saying now.  I sure wish Ford would have come up with a different design, because that button sure is a pain in the butt. 
I think I'm gonna do what Tom did and zip tie the thing in the up position so I don't have to bother with it.
Title: Key retainer?
Post by: MasterBlaster on July 01, 2010, 07:08:46 PM
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I think I'm gonna do what Tom did and zip tie the thing in the up position so I don't have to bother with it.
As stated, just make  sure you don't end up like the "Runaway Lexus" driver if your throttle sticks open. You're smart enough to turn off the key, but *whoops*, you turned it too far, locked the steering wheel, and less than 2 seconds later crashed into a busload of Nuns and Orphans at 90MPH while frantically trying to turn the key to unlock it again.
Title: Key retainer?
Post by: softtouch on July 02, 2010, 01:51:23 AM
Quote from: Watchdevil;326943
When I harvested the floor shifter from a pre-airbag Mark VII, I made sure I got that cable mechanism to install in place of the column shift shaft. Very simple install.

For cars with manual shifters they of course added the pushbutton. It is simply and upside down U shaped rod with the push button on one end while the other end engages the lock cylinder mechanism to keep it from locking the wheel. This can be added simply to any car if you are switching from an automatic to a manual shifter.

In a panic situation where you need to turn off the ignition, I feel comfortble with that safety feature being in place.

However with our automatic floor shifters, these were made before an interlock was required before you could shift the lever out of park.


The 84 shop manual says the push button to allow turning the ignition to LOCK is on any floor shift car manual or automatic.

The column shift must be in PARK before you can turn the switch to lock.
These things may have been around as long as locking steering wheels. My 75 Pinto had one.
Title: Key retainer?
Post by: bigbada1 on July 02, 2010, 09:50:20 AM
I agree I dont like it but have learned to live with it. Now my brotherinlaw hates to drive my car because of the key lock but he is also missing one arm. Kinda hard for him to push the button while taking the key out at the same time.
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Post by: mcb82gt on July 02, 2010, 07:58:20 PM
If you arent reaching under the steering column on every car you drive, to take the key out.................YOU ARENT DRIVING YOUR FOX ENOUGH!

Ive done that so many times, its like a reflex.  You just get used to it. LOL
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Post by: daminc on July 02, 2010, 08:23:57 PM
I live on Grand Island....I never have to take keys out of anything around here.... Or lock doors...lol
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Post by: Haystack on July 03, 2010, 01:20:47 AM
I don't have to reach under the colum to pull my keys out on any car I have ever owned, and would bypass it.
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Post by: Watchdevil on July 03, 2010, 01:44:03 AM
Quote from: softtouch;327039
The 84 shop manual says the push button to allow turning the ignition to LOCK is on any floor shift car manual or automatic.

The column shift must be in PARK before you can turn the switch to lock.
These things may have been around as long as locking steering wheels. My 75 Pinto had one.


I just checked out my 1987 Tbird brochure and it shows a Tbird Sport with the automatic floor shifter and a clear view of the white lockout button sticking out from under the steering column. It's obvious this was used because the Fox Tbirds and Cougars use a mechanical floor shifter that extends through the hole in the tranny tunnel and no provision was made for a cable operated lockout feauture.

However all the pre-airbag Mark VII's which use the Fox steering column comes standard with a floor shifter and it uses a cable mechanism that installs in the slot above the ignition switch where a column shifter would normally go. This is also so for the 1989-93 Tbird and Cougar (which carried over the use of Fox steering columns) as I have examined many of them while harvesting parts.
Title: Key retainer?
Post by: softtouch on July 03, 2010, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: Watchdevil;327147
However all the pre-airbag Mark VII's which use the Fox steering column comes standard with a floor shifter and it uses a cable mechanism that installs in the slot above the ignition switch where a column shifter would normally go. This is also so for the 1989-93 Tbird and Cougar (which carried over the use of Fox steering columns) as I have examined many of them while harvesting parts.

So how does this work? Does it require the floor shifter to be in park before you can turn the ignition to lock?