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Title: idleing problem
Post by: hellsing73 on April 29, 2010, 08:47:58 PM
im having a idleing problem. it will idle up to about 1500 to 2000 sometimes. iv been trying to get it stright but i dont know what would cause it? if anyone has any tips that would be grate thanks
Title: idleing problem
Post by: Haystack on April 29, 2010, 09:10:18 PM
Vacuum lines, throttle position sensor, IAC... Run codes. The computer will tell you for us.
Title: idleing problem
Post by: hellsing73 on April 30, 2010, 07:51:06 AM
its not a vac line it would do it all the time. i replaced them and i pulled the codes and all i get is an egr and the stuff for the emeition.
Title: idleing problem
Post by: Ductape91 on April 30, 2010, 10:03:49 AM
next time it does it try pulling up on the gas pedal and see if it goes away.
Title: idleing problem
Post by: 88CougarGT on April 30, 2010, 10:46:37 AM
Check your egr.  Make sure its not stuck open.
Title: idleing problem
Post by: hellsing73 on April 30, 2010, 09:14:45 PM
iv tryed pulling on it and did nothing and i did not know that the egr could have anything to do with it?
Title: idleing problem
Post by: sarjxxx on May 02, 2010, 05:15:18 AM
Pulll the vac line off the top of the egr while the engine is running, see if that makes it go back to normal. If it does, check to make sure that line is fully intact, otherwise prolly time to replace the egr valve. If I know what I'm talking about anyway.

Mine runs pretty normal w/ or w/out it on, but the motor wont function if the line gets blocked, so if your egr valve is sticking or something to that effect, that should tell you.
Title: idleing problem
Post by: hellsing73 on May 02, 2010, 11:57:07 AM
i pulled the egr off and its not geting stuck.
Title: idleing problem
Post by: sarjxxx on May 04, 2010, 03:52:55 PM
This may sound silly, hae you checked your thermostat? I know not haing one or having one thats stuck open can cause a high idle problem in some cars
Title: idleing problem
Post by: hellsing73 on May 04, 2010, 04:31:43 PM
when i pulled the motorr out i put a brand new one in
Title: idleing problem
Post by: sarjxxx on May 04, 2010, 04:52:16 PM
What about your TPS and IAC?
Title: idleing problem
Post by: hellsing73 on May 04, 2010, 08:50:18 PM
it has a new tps. is the iac the same of the bypass on the side of the throtle?
Title: idleing problem
Post by: Haystack on May 05, 2010, 12:34:28 AM
Quote from: sarjxxx;320661
This may sound silly, hae you checked your thermostat? I know not haing one or having one thats stuck open can cause a high idle problem in some cars


I drove for almost 1 year with no thermostat. Well a lack of thermostat would be a better way to put it. Car never got over two bars on the digi dash. Old thermostat was rusted out and was dug out of the lower intake in pieces. The car would just always think its running cold, because it was. I don't see what that would do with high idle?
Title: idleing problem
Post by: Haystack on May 05, 2010, 12:44:29 AM
How were the emissions deleted? How far out is your idle screw? What is the voltage on the TPS? The IAC is right behind the throttle body on the front side of the motor.

To set idle, if your TPS voltage is good through all voltage ranges.

unplug battery for at least 10 minutes. start car, unplug IAC. set screw to desired RPM. If you cannot get it low enough, either the TPS is bad, or you have leaks(I have seen intake gaskets leak, spray carb cleaner or starting fluid to test for leaks.). Plug back in the IAC. If the motor dies, it is more likely then not the IAC.
Title: idleing problem
Post by: hellsing73 on May 05, 2010, 07:36:44 AM
it dose not idle up high all the time. sometimes it will and sometimes it wont. dose not matter if its cold or hot out or rain or not. just dose it when it wants to. and what dose iac mean?
Title: idleing problem
Post by: Haystack on May 05, 2010, 08:10:53 PM
idle air controler. The ECU can affect timing to control idle under certain situations. Every one here is trying to help. Your coming up with reasons why we shouldn't.
Title: idleing problem
Post by: hellsing73 on May 05, 2010, 08:51:11 PM
tell me how im comeing up with resones why you should not help im asking quitions on stuff i dont know and telling you stuff that iv done already?
 
if you think i am then dont bother to say anything then. your the only one so far that seems to have a problem.
Title: idleing problem
Post by: jcassity on May 06, 2010, 02:00:23 AM
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its not a vac line it would do it all the time..

wrong, not all vac lines are direct fed from the crank case.  some are solenoid operated so therefore if the predetermined time in which the solenoid should/should not get power drives the fact if the vac line is either on line or not.

what are the codes?
what is the fuel presure while driving and during transmission shifts
is the inside of the FPR vac line damp?

a fuel pump acting up can also cause these symptoms and the only thing that may trigger a code is if for some reason you see various lean/rich codes on injectors.


get a couple cans of carb cleaner like mentioned and waste them along the vac lines and along the intake as well as underside.

it sounds like your not really familiar with this era of fords, takes some getting use to to realize they are not all that complicated.
Title: idleing problem
Post by: hellsing73 on May 06, 2010, 09:37:10 AM
the only codes it had when i pulled the coeds was for the map, egr, and 2 to do somthing with the emitions.
Title: idleing problem
Post by: 88CougarGT on May 06, 2010, 10:22:13 AM
Next time it does it.  Leave it running and give the IAC a firm thunk with the back of the screwdriver.  If it drops back down to normal, you need to clean your IAC.
Title: idleing problem
Post by: hellsing73 on May 06, 2010, 06:14:25 PM
i have replace the iac in just the last few weeks. o and about the fpr thats good iv checked that a few months back when i had to put a new pump in.
Title: idleing problem
Post by: 88CougarGT on May 06, 2010, 07:28:04 PM
If you un-plug it does it settle back down to the base idle?
Title: idleing problem
Post by: hellsing73 on May 06, 2010, 09:01:36 PM
i have not tryed it when it idles up high yet. but the car dose not idle high all the time dose it when it wants to
Title: idleing problem
Post by: Haystack on May 06, 2010, 11:47:23 PM
just so you know, the map sensor basically makes the car run. If the vacuum line is pulled off, your car thinks that it always has no vacuum and will throw all the gas at it that it can trying to keep the car running.

Either that vacuum line is bad, or your sensor is screwed or you have a broken wire. MAP=car running.

Run codes, write them down, then tell us what they are.
Title: idleing problem
Post by: sarjxxx on May 09, 2010, 04:30:30 AM
Quote from: Haystack;320748
I drove for almost 1 year with no thermostat.  Well a lack of thermostat would be a better way to put it. Car never got  over two bars on the digi dash. Old thermostat was rusted out and was  dug out of the lower intake in pieces. The car would just always think  its running cold, because it was. I don't see what that would do with  high idle?

 
 No, not to ~3000, but I have seen with my own eyes my bud's s-10 that  would constantly idle ~8-900, and we could never figure out why. One  day, he decides its time swap out a couple of nasty looking rad hoses,  pops one off, no tstat! So, put one in, and now idles down where it  should be.
 
 We figured maybe it was because it always thought it was cold, so it was  confused, running richer and causing rpm's to go up so it could warm up  faster.

Quote from: 88CougarGT;320939
If you un-plug it does it settle back down to  the base idle?

mine cuts off completely if I do that heh heh

but it was giving me problems too when I first got the car. I took it off and sprayed wd40 inside to clean it out (cause I was fresh outta carb cleaner) and that made all well again. course it only lasted a few weeks. did that about 3 more times, and just went out and bought a new one!

Quote from: Haystack;320966
Either that vacuum line is bad, or your sensor is screwed or you have a broken wire. MAP=car running.

yeah, the line that runs to mine started to rot out about a year ago, took me forever what was causing it to act up, but when I found that, problem solved.

And if you detach it... oh boy.........